I am sitting here in a two day intensive meeting of my organisation and updates are coming in.
It’s state of emergency in Bangkok again. Public transport workers have joined the demonstrations demanding for the prime minister to resign.
And public transport was a big problem for many of our colleagues this morning.
Fights are breaking up between Thaksin-Samak supporters and supporters of the People’s Alliance for Democracy.
As of 2.35 am, General Anupong Paojinda, the Commander of the Army said that he will send about four battalion of soldiers to assist the police in containing the crowd.
It is reported that at least 26 people are injured (as of records at two hospitals), and three have died.
All three are members of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD). Many more are injured at the scene.
It is believed that both sides are very well-armed, with sticks, knives, and etc. However, the PAD has been better armed as they have helmets, etc. and a particular unit in the PAD. The PAD has retreated back to the government house now.
From the interview made by the DAAD leader, it is expected that 4,000 more of government’s supporters will be coming in Bangkok from Udon Thani (strongheld of the People’s Power Party/ Thaksin).
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*SUSAN LOONE's Blog* 
aren’t you glad this isn’t Malaysia?! as screwed up as you say we are in Malaysia…..the country still operates well enough to enable the people eat their meals a day. it functions as a sovereignty. count the blessings of the nation….it could certainly be worse……every now and then we should take that deep breath and commend the journey the country is taking. yes things could be better….but these are growing pains of a young nation. cheers
No Nadia;
I feel safer in Bkk. Because the police and their FRU (as far as now) did not beat and abuse protestors like they did in Malaysia, eventhough in Msia it is a peaceful assembly.
I am at least assured that my stay here is safe up to now.
Thais can at least demand for their PM to resign.
U think this can happen in Msia?
You live and die with the PM you never chose nor want.
One must not use Thailand’s problems and ask us to count our blessing here…..as if indirectly saying …UMNO keep us in peace.
Each country have their citizens…their way of life…and driven by the political….economical and social situations.
Our peaceful nature is due to the vast natural resources we have…and is the riches country in Asia….so to speak.
Also… our peaceful situation is partly due to Malaysians do not support race and religion politics.
Yes…lets be grateful to God…..not UMNO.
I disagree with Nadia Binti Ismail. A despotic government has to be dethroned as least in some cases such as Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Sladovan Milosevic. I support foreign military intervention on Myanmar to de-senthrall the NLD and Aung sann Syuu Kyi and the citizens of Myanmar.
Susan – I feel safer in Bkk. Because the police and their FRU (as far as now) did not beat and abuse protestors like they did in Malaysia, eventhough in Msia it is a peaceful assembly.
Peaceful????!!!! is that why someone died and 30 odd people are injured…surely you are smarter than this? Peaceful???? is that why there is emergency and the govt is called to dissolve parliament? I really like to think you can discern between a rally and a riot!
Anyway- nothing to do with supporting umno or pr. to me both are as bad as another. all self serving.
but the point is – when you are safe and sound as you sound…you perhaps wouldn’t understand what it feels like to be homeless, children and family dying…. etc etc which comes with war and riots…Malaysia i am glad what what it is worth hadn’t come to this.
try living in places like palestine,iraq – then you will understand….but for now until such times ………i rest my case on this blogsite
“I feel safer in Bkk. Because the police and their FRU (as far as now) did not beat and abuse protestors like they did in Malaysia, eventhough in Msia it is a peaceful assembly.” -Ms. Susan Loone
Yeah, you are damn right. Recently a BN MP chided calling “Shame on them” anyone who taught their kids that police are only interested in arresting people are venal to the core as this truly reflects situation in Malaysia.
Many are afraid that if the DNA Bill that gives the police authority to obtained DNA samples from us, the police might misuse such authorities. I totally agree without a shadow of a doubt. People asked “Don’t make Malaysia a Police State”. Question is whether Malaysia is already a Police State! To me- ABSOLUTELY!
Harrison says “A despotic government has to be dethroned as least in some cases such as Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Sladovan Milosevic. I support foreign military intervention on Myanmar to de-senthrall the NLD and Aung sann Syuu Kyi and the citizens of Myanmar.”
Yes, I agree with Harrison.
The Courage to Build a New Malaysia.
(Keberanian Membina sebuah Malaysia Baru.)
(Versi Bahasa Melayu dibawah)
The year is 2008. This is the year most Malaysians finally woke up from a deep slumber. Most Malaysians were just too busy earning their living and building up their lives to take notice that times have changed and the idealism spouted by our founding Fathers have still not been accomplished for this country even today.
It was not so long ago in 1957 and then for our fellow East Malaysians in 1963 when the ideals and dreams preached by the late Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj (Bapa Kemerdekaan and Bapa Malaysia) for Malaysia were first announced and was greeted with joy in the hearts and minds of all Malaysians. The late Tunku Abdul Rahman had a dream and ideals, just like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and many others including the prophets over the history of mankind.
Many a times such dreams were hijacked and led astray under the guise of nationalistic, racist and religious idealism by so called politicians and self declared and appointed righteous and religious persons (Little Napoleons). Individuals who have risen to continue some of such idealisms are gagged, isolated, bankcrupted, blasphemied, rehabilitated or worst jailed, for it is deemed not in consonance with the dreams and idealism of the elected parties agendas.
Laws are legislated and passed at whim in Parliament to change the idealism of the Supreme Law of the Land (The Malaysian Constitution) and to cloak such party and individual agendas. It is true, Malaysia, conforms to the democratic process as practiced by most western countries in elections (even though tainted but unproven). But once given the trust to be elected as a leader or representative of the people, party and individual idealism overtook national idealism, and The Jeykll and Hyde personality emerged to be repeated over and over again at each and every election and by-election.
Malaysians have being led astray for so long, that what is right is blurred, what is wrong is tolerated, what is evil is condoned, what is fair is pouted as unfair, what is immoral becomes moral and corruption and close one eye need to become a part of our accepted daily lives. Jealousy, hatred, greed, racism, plundering and satanism starts to breed in Malaysian minds, and brothers, friends and fellow Malaysians were looked upon as enemies or as inferior human beings. Once a while, such nets were cast ashore to include anything to do with other countries or other races which do not belong to one’s own race or religious beliefs.
The minds and souls of Malaysians are so polluted and poisoned for so many years that it seems that Malaysia is the only all correct country and we should rule the world by our way. Examples of countries which follows Malaysia or is it we following them are, such as North Korea, Zimbabwe and Israel. What justifications can you tell your own generations or future Malaysian generations that what you are doing to fellow mankind and more so to your own fellow Malaysians that it is righteous and correct, when, it is at the expense and sufferings of your own human kind and fellow Malaysians?
Can you say to them I did it to follow the orders and teachings of God or party political agendas? Who gave you such inspirations and idealism? Do not absolve your own wicked mind and greed nor take a ride on someone else wicked mind and greed. Do not pick and choose in the Books of God nor the man-made laws to justify or suit your own twisted and idealistic minds. You can fool others due to their ignorance or emotions at some time but you can’t fool forever a man’s conscience nor your own children or hopefully one day your own when such enlightenment comes to you.
The courage to change things which are not right in Malaysia nor achieve the ideals of the Founding Fathers is not impossible. Most Malaysians have woken up to the fact that the future is going to be determined by it’s own citizens thru their own conscience guided by their own religious beliefs to live a harmonious and productive life of correctness and not the type of political, racial or religious correctness as preached.
Parties and their own agendas do not take priority over the Founding Fathers ideals and hopes of all Malaysians. Religion and principles are as a guide to your own conscience to make sure whoever is the leader do not lead Malaysians nor society astray.
For in the end, what is just and right should surely overule anything else for any leader or their party agendas.
Does your Representative of the People (Wakil Rakyat) or You! have the courage?
posted at http://patek1472.wordpress.com
Poor Nadia,
Our economy is heading towards a total destruction due to mis-management by current government. If this continues, Malaysians might end up in the street too, asking for leaders to step down or to reform the economy. Once people suffered economically and politically, they’ll have nothing to loose and starts to behave violently.That’s why we should make the changes now before its too late. I don’t think any Bee End leader has the capability to return our country to its glory days and that’s why we should keep our faith in DSAI.
Nadia Ismail (11:14:59) and your earlier philosophy misses the point. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE people’S power to dethrone a despotic government. In Philipine under Marcos, Estrada and Arroyo, nigh toppled at least twice by military coup. Coup-d-eteat can be eminent as well as it’s bestialities.
Peace without freedom to emancipate is no peace at all. 😀
“try living in places like palestine,iraq – then you will understand….but for now until such times ………i rest my case on this blogsite” – Nadia binti Ismail
Please have a lobotomy. You need it. Hahaha.
I think the ‘peace’ enjoyed by Malaysia is precarious. If UMNO still goes on with its racist and religionlist divide and conquer, it may one day trigger emotional events like this.
Harrison, “Please have a lobotomy. You need it. Hahaha.”
She does and badly and transplant with that of a horse because horses have better horse sense. Typical Bumno argument via comparision with the worse case scenario and fallaciously concluding yet again with another, “You should be grateful(into silence!) conclusion and admonition. The moral and intellectual perversion is really deeply embedded.
Why “commercial division”?
Raja Petra Kamarudin has been asked to report to the Commercial Crime Division of Bukit Aman at 10.00am on Thursday, 4 September 2008. This is at the Prime Minister’s old office in Bukit Perdana, behind Bank Negara.
mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12084/84/#jc_writeComment
Why “commercial division”?
RPK has been asked to report to the Commercial Crime Division of Bukit Aman at 10.00am on Thursday, 4 September 2008. This is at the Prime Minister’s old office in Bukit Perdana, behind Bank Negara.
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12084/84/#jc_writeComment
In so many ways and by so many pro UMNO writers…claiming to be neutral…now and then….trying to make us feel grateful to UMNO…. for the peace we have…comparing to troubled neighbouring countries.
It is useless to talk logic with these type of people.
I agree with Susan…one feel safer in Thailand than in Malaysia..as police or government…no matter what…do not play double standard games with their citizens. Why bring out 30 odd being killed there…and ignore thousands here in Malaysia…suffer for no reasons.
Who said dirty politics do not kill?
So.we have less clashes and no dead bodies…means good UMNO governance?
Yes…out come Nadia Ismail response…as if he is waiting for it….and we Malaysians cannot understand why he talk like that.
This Nadia…is out to confuse Malaysians.
Stealing and plundering our money…may not kill physically…..but do create great sufferings…to hundreds of thousands…to divide and rule…and it is a much greater evil…than killing with one bullet.
nadia ismail hmmm idzan??????
I wonder Nadia Ismail know how many committed sucide in Malaysia…unable to bear the sufferings…caused by UMNO…especially by Mahathir.
You see..you will never get such news ….from papers.
This Nadia Ismail…is a hypocrite.
Nadia Ismail is probably one of those rich BUMNO kids…silver spoon from cradle to grave….
FINALLY Malaysia Truly 2nd Class:
What is perplexing is that Malaysians are buying second-hand clothes and shoes and these second-hand goods comes from countries who were far backward than Malaysia in the last decade – Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos: the people there are buying new clothes and shoes and are disposing their old ones to Malaysia: for us!!! Ubah Gaya Hidup!
I was talking to my Indonesian workers this morning on this subject and he told me that he used to buy those second-hand clothes and shoes when he first came to Malaysia to work but now he wears better clothes and shoes because he can afford and he thinks he deserved it. He asked to be excused as he is rushing out to meet with some friends at The Curve Shopping Complex. I shouted at him when he was walking away: “What are you buying this time?” He retorted: “Nokia N96 latest.”. I sigh!
http://maverickysm.blogspot.com/2008/09/nst-dirve-ubah-gaya-hidup.html
FINALLY Malaysia Truly 2nd Class:
What is perplexing is that Malaysians are buying second-hand clothes and shoes and these second-hand goods comes from countries who were far backward than Malaysia in the last decade – Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos: the people there are buying new clothes and shoes and are disposing their old ones to Malaysia: for us!!! Ubah Gaya Hidup!
I was talking to my Indonesian workers this morning on this subject and he told me that he used to buy those second-hand clothes and shoes when he first came to Malaysia to work but now he wears better clothes and shoes because he can afford and he thinks he deserved it. He asked to be excused as he is rushing out to meet with some friends at The Curve Shopping Complex. I shouted at him when he was walking away: “What are you buying this time?” He retorted: “Nokia N96 latest.”. I sigh!
maverickysm.blogspot.com/2008/09/nst-dirve-ubah-gaya-hidup.html
Mencius said abt 2,000 years ago :
“得天下有道：得其民，斯得天下矣；得其民有道：得其心，斯得民矣。”
Basic principle for the “ruling” class.
Yester-year was Marcos, Estrada, Today is Samsak, who knows next… they forgot to read Mencius.
No Nadia, two bowls of rice a day is not what I am after. I expect to see, after half a century of Merdeka, quality and value of life whicare painfully missing. You are sitting on a high horse and talking as privileged class. Be real!
Yes I agree with Susan, we are now living in a police state…almost. Latest, SB investigating politicians, what a abuse of power!
Remember, we as rakyats have every right to remove a govt that oppresses her people. You are an UMNO brat, suffering from inferiority complex…violence, corruptions and evil are the ony things in your head.
dear nadia, the police in m’sia will turn a peaceful demontration into a “riot”. it had happened before. the malaysian police shoot “acid” water canon at protestors even the potestestors are standing peacefully. no matter what you want to do in m’sia, if you are from the opposition, you are “sampah” the police do anythink not for peace but to provoke and smear opposition image.
in Bangkok, PM samak is a pro Thaksin PM. Thaksin is a corrupted ex PM who was ousted by the military coups after street demo against him. he is now in exile in Britain. Thaksin was so corrupt that he manipulate and embezzled millions and billions of Baht of Thai gomen money. he use this money to buy votes to win election. Samak won ile was because of Thaksin support and money. Thaksin came back from his first exile hoping to get “protection” from Samak. But the people are not giving in. They want justice.
Nadia, it can happen in malaysia. maybe it happen underground albeit ala savak or mossad. we are not there yet. malaysian are more peaceful even they been push to the limit. BN gomen is taking advantage of the our situation. but if time come where the rakyat could not tolerate anymore, then BN gomen have to think twice before they do anything foolish. at the moment, they are comfortable. RM200 billions losses in corruptions and we are still peaceful here.
Although sometimes we agree on goverment, but Nasi Lemak Land is still the best! Malaysia tetap boleh!
Be contented, everyone.
Ahmike…We will be contented ….once UMNO is voted out.
51 years is just too long…too much…sucking us dry and high.
Ha,.ha who is that Nadia , sound like ehmmm. you know la-jalan-jalan cari makan. Anyway, it is time for CHANGE, those in the comfort zone can remain status quo. Don’t worry N….you are OK bah…..
Hi Nadia
1. Thanksin had to flee Thailand because of corruption charges.
Have you seen any of our politicos flee Malaysia because of this?
(Yet?)
2. Thaksin is a Thai of Chinese ancestry. He became PM and, as far as I know,
it was a non-issue in Thailand. (This was also the experience of
an earlier Thai PM named Chuan Leekpai). Can you imagine the same
scenario in Bolehland?
revolutions and evolutions very often are tied hand in hand…..
The problem here in Malaysia is the Rakyat is more matured than the ruling govt. We organised a few peaceful protests, and they send in the PRDM to beat up protesters and showered them with unholy water canon. No, not typo error, I meant to say PRDM, not PDRM anymore. Unless the police revert their stand and remain neutral to protect each and everyone of us, they’ll be called PRDM, not PDRM. Chasing bloggers is not their job, they should be chasing the robbers, rapists, thieves, murderers.
We are getting more like Myanmar everyday. we cannot let it happen.
Thanks for the update Susan.
That shows that democracy is alive in Thailand. People can voice their rights openly although some may have gone overboard. They do not fight over race and religious issues. They are 100 time better than in our country where religious and racial idiots DO NOT mix religion/race with politics.
However, if you do the same thing in Malaysia I guarantee these people will be arrested by pea brain “BALDIE” under our infamous ISA la.
“aren’t you glad this isn’t Malaysia?! as screwed up as you say we are in Malaysia…..the country still operates well enough to enable the people eat their meals a day. it functions as a sovereignty. count the blessings of the nation….it could certainly be worse……” – Nadia Ismail
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The comparison is not useful because it is too low a standard – 3 meals a day. Logically, if one extends the argument, then, Malaysia should be run by Ibans and Kadazans? Why? Because Malays, Chinese and Indians will still get 3 meals a day. In fact, why have affirmative action for Malays at all? I’m sure if NEP is abolished, if UMNO is delisted, then, Malays will still have their 3 meals a day … even under PAS or under DAP or under MCA … in other words, the standard “3 meals a day” is too low a standard, and is a silly reasoning.
sorry correction DO NOT=DO
Nadia Binti Ismail or whatever your name is…
We will also be some more glad if you compare our Country with Timbuktu. Hope you get the point.
Only in Malaysia, people justified their screwed situation with some of the “screwer” situation…How sad, how sad…
Sloone means Msia protestors are peaceful, but have violent police,
Thai protestors are violent, yet their police is not so violent.
Thai protestors are violent, bcos they are more determined to get rid of govt they do not want!
come to think of it.
there is nothing to talk about
if a country is peaceful.
what a sad case.
The majority of the Thais are poor. This should not be the case. Thailand has many resources,where has it all gone to?
This is the end-result of some very selfish politicians in that country.These politicians ‘force’ the people out onto the streets for some reasons.
Poverty,injustices,corruption,unfairness,monopoly by certain groups are the reasons that ‘force’ people out into the streets.
What’s the solution for this situation? Emergency-rule? Responsible people quitting? Get down to the root-cause of this dissatisfaction? Show the ‘iron-fist’ and scare people away? Full-force Tyranny? Those who failed,admit that they have failed the people humbly? More conspiracies? More accusations and blaming of others and not self?
There is this uncertainty to the people of Thailand because they are confused.
If living in the 21st century can create confusion in the leadership of a country, then what is the world coming to? Where is the RULE OF LAW? Where is ASEAN in all this? Most of the ASEAN countries are not doing well in the RULE OF LAW. Why is it so?
What is ASEAN ideology-confusion? ASEAN only boast when its member countries are doing well.When things go seriously wrong, where are they?
They are losing credibility in the eyes of the world. Thats why you see Major Powers of this world interfering? The RULE OF LAW. Where is it?
To declare a state of emergency isn’t that hard to do? Infact its the easiest way out of doing things? But think, please use you ‘numbskull’ to think for once. We are in the 21st Century, and things still seem very,very backwards.
If you politicians can’t lead a country because of your own interests and greed that overpowers you, then leave it to someone who can?
Anyway, the last Thai election is now declared null & void.
Re-election and retribution as per ‘karmic’ law.
So much for the power of corruption/cronyism – Samak being a proxy server for Thaksin.
Another thing is that the Thais revere their King; and that Thaks fella ain’t exactly a court favorite – he tried to divert that reverence. Ring a bell?
The civil service also is anti-Thaks with the police restarained as mentioned by machitam. The army are always the ‘king-makers… so little to compare with Bolehliwatland.
End play, for the moment in the Land of Smiles. Now what about 916?
Cheers.
Pro Thaksin (Village Thai), Vs Anti Thaksin (Urban Thai), Will their King act?
seng, are you saying they now in thailand don’t eat their meals a day? tch tch…i tend to agree with susan that it is safer there. thai still can get their meals. PM Samak declared emergency because he want to safe his skin. the protestor had taken over goverment buildings(mcm putrajaya lah). Samak had used force to make them move out. The dead was a protestor. else where in thailand macam normal lah…mcm biasa.
village thais were bought by Thaksin…..urban Thais cannot ditipu oleh taksin..same same herem’sia
Err.. Anonymous post (14:27)was mine – doodle brain mah!
Yes, mac it is the middle class & more educated vs. the semiurban and rural as here. The Northern and NE Thais are Thaks flunkies, but here it s the North and Central, and maybe the East (Sabah/Sarawak) pro-democracy vs. the South/South-central which are the flunkies. This generally speaking of course.
Differences lie in the army intervention and reverence to the Thai King. Also the Thais are more ‘monoracial’ so they can’t bring up racist-religio-fascism.
who says Thai is peaceful. Go to any shopping mall and see if they don’t scan your skirt and pants. The many bombing incidents are just not announced. Ya, the police don’t beat the people unless you are in south Thai, they just shoot! And you think that is better that Malaysia? I suggest you go stay there! Syabas Nadia.
Hei folks, go to Uncle Lim or Susan (https://sloone.wordpress.com/2008/) blogs on a report by one brilliant by-product guy from one of our great university.
i agree totally with perantau oz. I support DSAI as the next PM-in-waiting, most definitely! I hate and loathe those UMNO GOONS!!! Don’t wait till next GE cos by then, po-chik! I also loathe corruption and most of all I loathe the very people who have cheated us these 50 odd years, the very same people whom we have entrusted to take care of our economy, security, health care, hardcore poor, etc… everytime when I hear that so much money have been carelessly lost, swindled, siphoned, etc… it makes me not only very sad but down right disgusted with those idiot GOONS! WHAT A WASTE!!!! THESE ARE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! So, yes, count our blessings one by one AND at the same time, curb and jail those GREEDY IDIOTS!
” Hatred does not ceased by hatred, but only by love. This the eternal rule.”
…..by Buddha.
” Words have the power to both destroy and heal, when words are both true and kind, they can change our world.”
…..by Buddha.
Thank you for the update. I would feel safer in bangkok than in KL as when during the 13May69, the Malaysian police shot at innocent people.
Meow, what so great about this country, perhaps for people like you…no need brain, no need to work and yet, handsomely rewarded. You talk big lah!
Our blue uniformed monkeys only know how to take bribes, mind road blocks and serve the corrupted. They behave like uneducated baboons, trained just to beat up good innocent rakyat of this country. Are we very safe in bolehland, you are too blinded, enjoying your handouts, at the expense of the less fortunates…who need to slog for a living and bullied by the high and mighty!
No Casey, the Malay Regiment did. Their unjustified excuse was that a couple of their members were earlier murdered in the cinemas by gangsters. The Police ran and perhaps also restraint by umno big wigs intentionally afterwards. The Sarawak Rangers did their job proffesionally and fairly but were quickly replaced so that the mayhem could continue.
The important part is, “Can we ever see a real investigation as to who planned and executed that event and bring them(some are still alive) to necessary justice?”
Thaksin embezzled billions of baht of thais money.
Thai rakyat protested and new election
thaksin bought votes using “wang rompakkan” and win election
Rakyat Thai protested, military coup. Thaksin fled(cabutlah apa lagi!)
Thaksin exile in U.K, live like a king with the “wang rompakkan), beli Manchester City FC
Army handover to civilian rule. Thai election. Samak, thaksin proxy won election. kampong people all vote for Samak(the penyamun, samak still has to answer court case for fraud and gangsterism.)
Samak become PM. call thaksin back fr exile. thalsin was back.
rakyat continue protes. thaksin was charge in court for corruption. samak attempt to “intervene”. rakyat protested. Thaksin absconded. exile again in the u.k .
thaksin account frozen. no money. plan to sell man city fc.
protestor occupied gomen complex for samak to step down. samak berdegil.
samak forced protestor out of gomen complex using army. 1 protestor died and several injured.
samak declare emergency to save his skin. Note: Thaksin using “remote control” on Samak Sundaravej.
and i don’t rule out for another military coup
and bodohwi may face the same if he don’t buck up. rakyat will know how much money was gone….sooner
Who is planting all the bombs in Thailand? BKK is safer than KL?
machitam,
Exactly. That’s why Nadia’s comparison with 3 meals a day is too low a standard …
Hahaha only knows how to laugh like an idiot. Blame everyone for bribes and corruptions. Next time you have an accident, house burgled, better still camera taken away by your people, don’t go to police ok, go to Thai. go on laugh laaa…
Laugh at the Thai, but see who will hv the last laugh, say by 2020,??
We use to laugh at Thai, when we hv expressway (intercity), national car industry, but now Thai laugh at us for paying tol (Thai intercity expressway is toll free), and high price for cars (Car price is much lower there)
“but the point is – when you are safe and sound as you sound…you perhaps wouldn’t understand what it feels like to be homeless, children and family dying…. etc etc which comes with war and riots…Malaysia i am glad what what it is worth hadn’t come to this.
try living in places like palestine,iraq – then you will understand….but for now until such times ………i rest my case on this blogsite” – Nadia Ismail.
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Ms Nadia, maybe you are still in dreamland…! Didn’t you notice that the political engine of UMNO has rot and corrupted so badly beyond repair…?? Even a full overhaul will not help!! It needed a new replacment….the new engine whether good or bad, time will tell. Otherwise, Msia is headed towards places worse than what you mentioned above…!! Halo…Bangun!! Don’t be like the sleepy old goat…!!!
Dear all,
Suggestion only, anyone who think Bangkok is safer than KL, please do migrate there immediately and if possible bring your whole family too, as no one will stop you all.
Thank you.
Wits0 and My dear friends,
I think I know who the author under the handle of “Nadia Ismail” is. But for professional and legal reasons I choose not to expose as everyone is entitled to their rights to emancipate. 😀 However, Nadia Ismail is very shallow minded.
Extract From Malaysia Today : http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12020/84/
“Kolonel Norhayati is not my ADC, explained Deputy Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak’s wife. She just handles my appointments. Well, I suppose this is akin to someone saying she is not my typist. She just types my letters. And now Syed Hamid Albar says that they are not censoring Malaysia Today. They are just blocking access to Malaysia Today.”
what a shallow mind this idiot david chan is….heh he ahh just because Bangkok is safer you suggest to migrate, then singapore, u.k, sweden indonesia, philiphine, india, china, hk. taiwan, all these are safer place.
shame on you! thinking like Ahmad Ismail, telling others to migrate…what an idiot!
Safety in BKK compare with KL, think same same lah, Msian would think BKK not safe as we (in general) not familiar with BKK, don’t speak Thai, so we tend to feel uneasy, it is natural.
Its a useless argument whether Bangkok or KL is safer.
Every city has its safer and more dangerous neighbourhoods. And do’s and don’ts about how you move around, especially at night.
I lived and worked in Bangkok for two years. My family was with me. If you are sensible about where you go, its a reasonably safe city,
Admittedly, since the last coup, and also the escalation of the troubles in Southern Thailand, there has been a hard edge to Thai politics.
Dear machitam (16:45:31) :
Question : “what a shallow mind this idiot david chan is….heh he ahh just because Bangkok is safer you suggest to migrate, then singapore, u.k, sweden indonesia, philiphine, india, china, hk. taiwan, all these are safer place. shame on you! thinking like Ahmad Ismail, telling others to migrate…what an idiot!”.
Answer : please look at yourself before call peopel idiot, as there’s always a word saying, before we use certain words to call a person, we maybe one of them …” well my friends, the things is simple, if u not happy with a place or etc, then just move out as no one will stop you at all, it is after all a democracy place, every place have their good or bad point, nothing is perfect …., you should shame on yourself instead as maybe not even qualify to migrate …, that’s all from now.
Thank you.
meow:
Going to the police is just a ‘process’, that’s it!
Go ask around, think the majority will prefer go to somewhere else than the police, IF they had choice.
peace.
” well my friends, the things is simple, if u not happy with a place or etc, then just move out as no one will stop you at all, it is after all a democracy place, every place have their good or bad point, nothing is perfect …., you should shame on yourself instead as maybe not even qualify to migrate …, that’s all from now.”
That doesn`t make you less of an idiot but an even bigger one.
When you were little and maybe you got caning now and then by your mum/dad/teacher, why dint you run away from home? Or stop schooling?
Well done Nadia..
I get what you think.. BN still used police/FRU to stop riot peacefully. However in extreme condition they behave like WWE wrestlers too. But it happens all around the world.. isn’t it? So, I regret for those who totally like to blame BN for their sins before. Why we looked someone more on his sins and never care what are their good contribution.
The anwer is.. The devil inside. Hey.. come on guys. Pak Lah is politician and Anwar is politician too.. don’t trust politician completely.
Susan.. don’t lie what happened in Thailand. I stayed at Kelantan (border to Thailand) and have relatives and family there.. from Narathiwat to Bangkok. Petronas should conduct conference at Bangkok now. but change the date due to current situation.
Dear snide,
well, my friends, u can call anyone with any words, but judge everything yourself in a calm manner not emotion …, have a nice day.., take care…
thank you.
what happening in bangkok might also happen in malaysia if the leader and the ruling party still continues to play deaf……….i am afraid of that……..we are living in a peaceful country but iam afraid these political individual will create havoc in the name of race and religion for their self gain…………..lets pray for peace and always be alert……………..susan i agree with u and i also agree with nadia………..but will be actually achieve our goals without and sacrifice?
but judge everything yourself in a calm manner not emotion …-u/q
Why you so sensitive. Instead of being emotional, you should be giving good reasons telling people to get out. See, now you make yourself out an idiot again.
I come to bury Caesar, Not to praise him
“This is a police state”, claimed the former PM Mamak Kutty. So according to Mamak Kutty, the police in Bolehland are behaving like gestapos or KGB, aren’t they?
Well, I think he has a point here.
At least in Thailand, the police respect the people’s power because the people in Thailand are not afraid of evil power brokers, they have the courage to stand up against injustice.
Bolehland Rakyat are an obedient lot and they will not go to the streets unless being provoked by unscrupulous evil and corrupt power brokers like what happened in 1998.
A question for the Police in Bolehland: Where do you stand? With the rakyat or with the evil and corrupt power brokers?
Harrison, hehehe, I too can also privately venture a guess too as to who nadir end Nadia may be. I think that Kittykat is correct to say it’s someone from Bumno born with a silver spoon in her mouth.
However, CyberSpace is an Equaliser and no amount of fudge and position can deliver oneself from the flaks earned from bad ideas expressed and poor attitude ingrained.
So, standby with phasers and photon torpedoes, No. 1, er, Harrison. 😀
BTW, Phua Kai Lit, I tend to differ just a little from your good idea of handling trolls and CTs. Sometimes, when it’s necessary, there exists a need to ridicule ’em nicely and it isn’t really a case of “layan-ing” ’em but for the benefit of others and for gratifying fun.
Rose Rally; UPDATE 4: 20 Children Arrested!!
Saturday February 16th, 2008 at 02:07 in hindraf, war of roses
It came to our attention that 20 children were among the estimated 250 people arrested this morning for trying to hand Roses to our PM peacefully.
Snide, any more “calm manner not emotion”, may turn you into a veggie. What makes he think you’re not already tranquil?
🙂
cekka said “BN still used police/FRU to stop riot peacefully. However in extreme condition they behave like WWE wrestlers too. But it happens all around the world…”
but they(Police) behave worst than WWF animals. They provoke. they will create a riot situation. sometimes they planted sb to participate in the demo to provoke. they will throw smoke bomb at demontrators whom are peacefull…read my lips peacefully….and the Police …er..you know what i mean..
i don’t want be an idiot…i won’t migrate. this my country, good or bad. i’ll straighten up things here, my own country. this country is not own by bodohwi and his cronies!!! and those idiots
There are many impatient people. They want Anwar to take over and form the new federal government today. They want at least 30 Members of Parliament from Sabah and Sarawak to cross over now. They want Anwar to tell Umno to go to hell. But he can’t do that. He needs Umno. Well, at least he needs some of those from Umno. He needs at least 15 to 20 Umno Members of Parliament to join another 15 to 20 non-Malay Members of Parliament to cross over so that he can form the new federal government with the right racial balance. Then Umno can’t say that the Malays have lost political power. And Umno also can’t use this to fan the sentiments of the Malays and trigger another race riot the likes of what happened on 13 May 1969.
This is not just about kicking Barisan Nasional out. This is not just about forming a new Pakatan Rakyat federal government. This is also about maintaining the peace, stability and harmony between the many races and about denying Umno the opportunity to turn this whole thing into a race issue.
And Anwar, of all people, knows this. And that is why he is taking his time about it and is covering all the bases before making his move. We want Malaysia to move forward into 2009. We do not want to return to 1969. This is the crux of the matter.
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12085/84/
Hey pls, dont let this thing happen in malaysia… Oh God!
Ezam and UMNO sure will try to
Obviously those who r enjoying those so called special priviledges would never want to give up.e.g in Penang when pakatan just mention equal opportunity they go to d street & protest bcos those people do not want to work so hard. If they get easy money even though at d expense of others who slog for them. They r not shameful at all. We work like a cow & they get to enjoy our sweat & tears.
Honestly, I don’t know why the Thais are fighting, and rioting, and boycotting and hurting each other. Didn’t they had the election recently and the majority voted in the present government? Is Samak being a machai to Tatksin a good reason to riot? I am glad that Malaysians can take their political differences to the recent election and by-election with minimal disruption. Of course, some hinted that the sore losers might go amok to achieve their political will. Well, they didn’t or couldn’t, whatever the reason. And it should stay that way.
I don’t measure a man’s success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. – George S. Patton
In that BN show very little, and they have managed to turn malaysians into drones. Only now there is an awakening.
KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 2 — Umno, the backbone of the ruling Barisan Nasional government, has issued a public apology over a remark made by Bukit Bendera Umno division head Datuk Ahmad Ismail during the Permatang Pauh parliamentary by-election last month.
“We hope that the non-Malays will not be too disturbed with the statement and we apologise if it has incurred the sensitivities or unhappiness over the statement.
“We apologise, Umno apologises although it is not our statement but it is a statement made by one of our division leaders. It is totally unwarranted and does not reflect the position and the attitude of Umno or the leadership of Umno. We regret it very much,” Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, who is also Umno deputy president, said here today.
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12097/84/#jc_writeComment
But Anuar Musa, said it was OK. Why not ulamak badawi do the apologising? Najib is going to be thrown out soon anyway.
“..if it has incurred the sensitivities or unhappiness over the statement.”
Another of those familiar iffi-ness rubbish that translates into, “I’m really not/never wrong stance”. Gimme a break! Such is the non-repentance of liars.
why no action on Ahmad the racist bukit benderasta..he should be charge under seditious act. if not, other bumno leader will make the racist statement and apologize….where got road like this…..Bangkok o.k what? but what for migrate…
sonthi limthongkul has screwed thailand big time in his personal feud with taksin!
“if not, other bumno leader will make the racist statement and apologize….”
KOTA BAHARU, Sept 1 (Bernama) — Kelantan Umno today asked fellow Barisan Nasional (BN) component party Gerakan to stop demanding that Umno and the BN penalise an Umno division chief over his alleged racially sensitive remarks about the Chinese community.
Its chairman, Tan Sri Annuar Musa, said the remarks by Bukit Bendera Umno Division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail were made in a personal capacity, similar to the statements by several Gerakan leaders who had wanted Gerakan to leave the BN.
aT LEAST this time around we are prepared, come what may, I shall fight using better arms and knowledge.
I want to survive. Not condemned.
“if not, other bumno leader will make the racist statement and apologize….”
In an Umno Johor Convention a couple of months ago, they spoke about how they regret giving citizenship to the immigrants on 31 August 1957. Now that these immigrants have been granted citizenship, they have demonstrated ingratitude by voting for the opposition. These immigrants should never have been given citizenship, argued speaker after speaker. And Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad and Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah were guests of honour in this Convention.
You could see Tengku Razaleigh cringe, as if in great pain, on hearing this. He knew that Barisan Nasional suffered its most humiliating performance on 8 March 2008 because of exactly this. Such statements are not going to help. It will just make matters worse.
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12085/84/
KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) — Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim said Tuesday he would dismantle controversial positive-discrimination policies for Muslim Malays if he seizes power in the multicultural country.
Anwar said he would replace the New Economic Policy (NEP) launched in the early 1970s with a system to boost all poor Malaysians, whether they are majority Malays or from the minority Chinese and Indian communities.
“We will do everything in our power and disposal to help and assist the poor and the marginalised, which means the vast majority of the Malays and the poor Chinese and the poor Indians, but we do it on a needs basis,” he said.
He also promised to abandon the Approved Permits (AP) scheme for importing cars, which it is claimed has corruptly enriched a small number of Malay entrepreneurs.
“Those talking about Malay dominance would realise that the AP is a classic case where the Malays and the Malay name has been abused, raped and plundered by the few,” he told a press conference.
“Those talking about Malay dominance would realise that the AP is a classic case where the Malays and the Malay name has been abused, raped and plundered by the few,” he told a press conference.
Anwar, a former deputy premier and finance minister who was sacked and jailed a decade ago, has vowed to topple the government with the help of defectors within weeks.
http://bangmalaysia.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/all-poor-anak-bangsa-malaysia-will-be-assisted/
They should fry him:
PDC to lodge police, ACA reports against Ahmad
Himanshu Bhatt and Opalyn Mok
GEORGE TOWN (Sept 2, 2008): The Penang Development Corporation is lodging police and Anti-Corruption Agency reports against a now-defunct company, of which Umno Bukit Bendera division head Datuk Ahmad Ismail was a director, over its failure to return some RM500,000 to the state after a failed land deal.
Chief minister Lim Guan Eng said he has directed the PDC to make the reports tomorrow (Sept 3) after his administration found that Popular Profile Sdn Bhd (PPSB) had wrongfully taken and kept the money from the state in 1998. PPSB wound up in 2005.
Ahmad is currently at the centre of a storm over the alleged racist remarks he made during the Permatang Pauh by-election, which had in recent days attracted numerous police reports filed by MCA, Gerakan and DAP grassroot leaders.
Speaking at a press conference at InvestPenang here today, Lim said PPSB, with Ahmad as director, had bought a 4.2ha industrial land in Bukit Minyak from PDC for RM5.5 million in 1997.
http://sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=25304
Orang Jepun vs Orang Melayu
Orang Melayu budaya nya tinggi … Pooraaahhh !!!
Nipu aje korang. Mampus aku tak caya.
AKu baca banyak kali …
Perdana Menteri Jepun, Yasuo Fukuda mengumumkan meletakkan jawatan serta-merta malam ini, selepas menghadapi jalan buntu berdepan krisis politik dan perbalahan dengan pembangkang.- Umeloya
Melayu berbudi bahasa atau Melayu gila kuasa?
Nice pics update, Susan.
Happens during Bersih/Hindraf and ‘other’ demos demanding justice, equality, democracy & fairness in our Bolehliwatland, although the guy doing the kicking and holding the stick is most likely our true blue ‘brave and loyal’ FRUscos.
Anyway, who says the Bkt. Bendera bumno braggart Ahmad Ismail is to be solely blamed – who was that ‘august’ vvip nodding sagely at his vitriol and invectives in P.P. that night? Did he agree with those staements? Why did he keep silent then? Is there such a thing as guilt by association?
O Temujin’s daughter where art thy justice?
“who was that ‘august’ vvip nodding sagely at his vitriol and invectives in P.P. that night?”
Kah kah kah…..
maaf kan kami
maaf kan kami
maaf kan kami
Kah kah kah …berapa kali nak minta maaaf daaaaaa……. Kah kah kah…. Komponen Barisan Nasional semua nak cabut masuk Pakatan. Bila-bila masa saje Gerakan akan masuk, parti di Sabah dan Serawak telah bersedia …… kah kah kah… udah terlambat kot….
Bila nak minta maaf beli kapala selam?
Bila nak minta maaf projek 5 bilion ringgit kapal angkatan laut tak siap-siap di Lumut?
Bila nak minta maaf pada Mister Sharibu ayah Altantuya?
Kah kah kah…..
http://tukartiub.blogspot.com/2008/09/hot-hot-hot-umno-minta-maaf-berhubung.html
“who was that ‘august’ vvip nodding sagely at his vitriol and invectives in P.P. that night?”
The apology is not an aopology. Najis exact words were “…we apologise if it has incurred….”
It is not a heartfelt apology, but “IF”. UMNO stands by the Bkt. Bendera racist and given half a chance Najis will take to the streets with his keris once more.
So DISGUSTIPATING
If he’s not sure he’s done a wrong, why apologise while pushing the onus on to the offended? This is not just loony but deviously insincere. Only possible in a Media Stupified Bodohland as an official indulgence.
No Meow, I do not go to the police…even to make a report because standard practise, I need to grease their their palms. Obviously, you are unaware the amount of crimes that are happening in this country…just an ass like you, what do you care for those who are victimised by criminals. The police, huh! In any case, I am a taxpayer, I do expect them to look after my security, are they doing it?
Go and meow, meow in your bedroom. Grow up and understand life better. Malaysian police or homegrown criminals!
You take care Susan!
The situation in Thailand is much worse than this blog or several commenters here would like to admit. The only thing standing in the way of all out war between the pro-Thaksin majority and anti-Thaksin elites is the presence of King Bhumipol. The moment the King passes away all hell will break lose in Thailand.
The actions of the so-called PAD is idiotic and bordering on dictatorial. They clearly were looking for violence to use as a pretext to stage a bloody coup against Samak. That much was admitted by a feared ex-general (who led a bloody siege of a mosque in South Thailand) claiming that if Samak arrested the PAD leaders, he will come and take control of PAD and overthrow Samak in a violent coup with the help of his ex-buddies in the army.
Further the PAD has insulted the majority of Thais by claiming that the majority are too stupid to be given a vote in democracy and only they (the so-called elites) have the superiority to be given that privilege. To that end they have called for an end to democracy and that 70% of Parliament will be appointed. The question is appointed by whom? Who gave the PAD the right to decide what is right/wrong, does Sondhi thinks that he is a GOD?
Everybody knows that the Royalist faction are misusing the King to further their anti-democratic agenda to return Thailand to pre-1973. There is not much the King can do about that because he is isolated from the population by layers of Royalist bureaucracy.
So yes I am proud that even in the chaotic Malaysian political scene, nothing as serious or bloody is looming in the horizon for us (yet). That is why I do not understand why everyone is jumping up and down like an Internet mob to condemn Nadia, for expressing her views. The general level of discourse of Malaysian blog commenters are crude and vulgar, more suited to whipping up a mob than to engage in reasonable discussions. Pity.
Tan Sri Annuar Musa, said the remarks by Bukit Bendera Umno Division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail were made in a personal capacity, similar to the statements by several Gerakan leaders who had wanted Gerakan to leave the BN.
This joker worships the same god as Ahmad Ismail who turned both of them into the same level as Zakaria Mt Eros . And that god is……….?
Thanks, goldenscreen for your excellent insight.
So now, how does one go about telling King Bhumipol that he’s being ‘used’?
Is the Thai King genuinely so ignorant, or is he really disgusted with Thaks?
Are some of us who feel that Thaksin is corrupt totally wrong? He’s an angel so much so, that now Tamasek won’t touch him with a kilometer long pole?
And that the Thai Election Commission is also wrong in nullifying the previous election results due to irregularities?
Well never mind us lah – we are just crude, vulgar idiots who can’t discuss reasonably and are irrational; and anyway we are not even Thais yet, i think…
Pax.
And talking of which place is safer KL or BKK ? For one think I think generally Thais are very fierce people , probably due to their warlike genes in them or having fought so many wars with Burma . Also it is a fact that in Thailand guns and grenades are easily obtainable .Gun running is part and parcel of criminals in Thailand and so is smuggling of drugs . Guns found in Malaysia originate from Thailand and so are grenades . Criminals escaping the law in Malaysia normally finds refuge in Thailand . Guns in Thailand are normally smuggled in from Cambodia or Vietnam from excess US military supplies used in the Vietnam war .
Bombs exploding in the southern part and in Bangkok speaks of this danger . Never offend a Thai in Thailand , you’ll end up dead , shot . I was working in Thaialnd quite sometime ago . A guy was involved in a triangle love affair with a worker in the company. The next thing you hear is he brought a gun to work the next day and shot the other chap.
My take Malaysia is still safer than BKK whether you like it or not .
I lived in BKK during 1982-83, I use to go to the “ampur” or upcountry towns as my products were distributed across. I saw the polis stations with photos of dead bodies outside to show their ability against criminals. It was horrible! But their culture is different. Their crimes are different. Most criminals have guns so the police has to be more powerful. The Thai have different values of life so let’s not compare. We do not sell our daughters to brothels but till today, some Thai still do.
And whenever a PM is elected, the next thing to do is to pull the PM down at whatever means. There is no right or wrong but every political party uses money to create trouble for any new PM. I believe that the Taksin rule was japadize by powerful political enemies and so is Samak. Believe me, my frens, if no money is funded, there will be no emergency like now. The common civilians are fighting each other and not the Thai military.
In Malaysia, it is different, when I walk with Bersih earlier, I was not paid. Most of us went on our belief and sense of justice. Some got sprayed with acid water and yet we created the greatest historical march in Malaysian history. Fellow malaysians did not fight each other. Only the bullies who sprayed us are the enemies. So guys, you see the difference?
Yes, dlquill, absolutely valid point. ‘Fellow Malaysians do not fight each other’ – we may ‘fight’ in a different cultural and political scenario, but there are some moral-ethical values that are commonly shared – like against corruption and for a proper distributive justice & socially enlightened system.
The stand of the concsientious, idealistic younger generation makes all the difference; in this case where does the ‘intelligensia’, the varsity and college students stand?
Our youth are shackled by that draconian UC Act, which should be discarded along with bISA. Who prompted the UCA – DSAI, the daredevil! And so who will discard it into the dustbin of history?
Whether the change comes violently or not, the powers to be decide, and PR will have to stymie them as best as they can.
So …what Snide is saying is…accept UMNO government forever…or else be prepared for another May 13th 1969?
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We lament that Datin Paduka Chew Mei Fun, MCA MP for Petaling Jaya Utara, as reported in the China Press on January 21 (Monday), has conveyed this fear-mongering message to the public: “If there is insufficient Chinese representation in the Barisan Nasional, it is not a good thing, the Chinese community cannot afford another May 13 incident.”
But there would be a problem if none of the 79 Umno Members of Parliament cross over. Pakatan Rakyat has 43 Malay Members of Parliament opposed to 39 non-Malays. That is okay because then Umno can’t say that the non-Malays control the opposition. But if 30 non-Malay Members of Parliament cross over to Pakatan Rakyat, and they get to form the new federal government, then it would be 69 non-Malays opposed to only 43 Malays.
Herein lies the problem and that is why there is a delay in Pakatan Rakyat forming the new federal government. Anwar Ibrahim does have his 30. In fact, it is more than 30. But Anwar has to be very careful in maintaining the ‘balance’. He can’t afford to form the new federal government with 69 or more non-Malay Members of Parliament and only 43 Malays. Umno would go to town with this and it will ‘prove’ what Umno has been saying these last many months: that the non-Malays have grabbed political power and the Malays have lost political power.
Yes, this is the song Umno has been singing since the 8 March 2008 general election. Malay political power had eroded, argues Umno. And once the 30 or more non-Malay Members of Parliament cross over and Pakatan Rakyat forms the new federal government, the Malays will lose political power.
In an Umno Johor Convention a couple of months ago, they spoke about how they regret giving citizenship to the immigrants on 31 August 1957. Now that these immigrants have been granted citizenship, they have demonstrated ingratitude by voting for the opposition. These immigrants should never have been given citizenship, argued speaker after speaker. And Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad and Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah were guests of honour in this Convention.
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12085/84/
Hahaha you are a real moron and i think you know that for sure, maybe even enjoy being one. How can anyone equate the whole oraganization with the few bad apple. I guess you are promoting to change the entire force if you governs. And whom might you replace these people with? the Thais? The kind of generalization you made just shows how foolish and idiotic mindset you have. You grow up!
I am amazed that PKR that claims to be “champions of the people” have taken NO action againsr their islamofascist lawyer Zulkifli Nordin who disrupted the Bar forum.
Yet there is a hue and cry over that UMNO`s Ahmad comments in Penang.
“The kind of generalization you made just shows how foolish and idiotic mindset you have. You grow up!”
“Ketuanan Melayu tercabar – – Tengku Faris ”
Now let`s see you call the Royalty the same.
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Hi David Chan,
How are you? You definately a smart guy. Anyway, being smart is not necessary wise. In no way, I’m saying you are not wise as I do not really know.
Anyway, to migrate to Bangkok is not easy as there are many factors. Furthermore, most of us who has settled in Malaysia for long time, we are tied to many things here. That is in addition to language barier.
Hahaha
just an ass like you, what do you care for those who are victimised by criminals. Malaysian police or homegrown criminals!
Thats a sweeping statement . Think you’re the one to grow up .
So you obviously do not care for those who are victimised by criminals ! Huh don’t go to the polis if your house gets burgled and you lose your passport . Have no pity on people like you .And to label all Malaysian police as homegrown criminals is akin to calling all Malaysians criminals . What a dud !! You must be a real DUD ! hope you can keep on laughing until your jaws gets detached !!
By the way….”snipe” is a female.
I will not call her a lady.
By the way….”snipe” is a female.
I will not call her a lady. monsterball (11:03:20)
I told you earlier you were STUPID, now you want to get sniped. Watch it, you might lose the remaining ball oso.
I just came back from Bangkok last night after spending 10 days with my Thai friend, firstly I must say that ‘machitam’ gave quite a good write up (99% correct) of the recent happenings in B’kok. No soldiers took actions against the potesters just yet, even the Court of Law refuse to issue a warrant against the potesters. I was at a night club almost nightly only about 200 metres from the potesters, and I saw the police enjoying their supper with the potesters. The potesters even have their own TV channel, once I saw some violence on TV between the police and the potesters because the police try to remove some barricades put up by the potesters. Two nights ago we notice a restuarant preparing lots & lots of noodles to be donated to the potesters for supper. The potesters (tens of thousands) have been camping there for more than 100 days (60% women). After 6 pm daily & weekends the figure is almost double. They want the Samak (PM) to resign due to tons of valid reasons. Other than this everything is normal every where, smaller airports are all functioning again. Tourist business affected in Pattaya, Puket & Hadyai only. No big train services across the country. Bangkok Skytrain & subway trains no problem.
The political situation have one thing in common with M’sia. The main ruling party is Thai Rak Thai or TRT (something like our umno, popular among the less educated rural people. The PAD is something like our PR very strong in urban areas among the educated. The potesters are the PAD people and they are getting stronger by the day. A few Govt/semi unions are ‘on strike’ to show their support for the PAD. Two days a ago some TRT armed tugs attacked some isolated potesters, PAD guys fought back, one dead, few injured, PM declared state of emergency, today Army Chief considering of sending ‘unarmed’ troops to help police to calm the situation. The Army seems to be neutral this time, not siding any political party. As usual their corrupted police like M’sia seems to be a little on TRT side.
Comparing with M’sia, democracy in Thailand is ‘light years ahead of M’sia’. I would like to share this info about migration to Thailand with david chan. Thailand has a much more lucrative & have a easy policy for people who wants to go there for good, there are already many thousands of quite rich and educated Indonesian Chinese, Europeans & Japanese in Thailand. You need to deposited a some of money (I am not sure how much) to get a ‘card’ which see to it that you must buy a condo or invest in certian type of investment there. Thailand is much safer than M’sia (except for the Islamic provinces in the rural South). Main reasons:- 1 main religion (95% plus Buddist), 1 language, 1 race, 1 culture,1 same King obeyed by ALL, & everyone is treated EQUALY & FAIRLY in everything. Politicians & their supporters can ‘fight’, coup d’ tars by the Army can happen, so what, ordinary citizens are not involved. Just go Bangkok and see for yourself how miserably behind time KL is, and how hard the people work, and how proud the Thai people are of themselves & their Country. By the way Paul Anka will be there, live 23rd of this month.
Menyalak-er,
I didn’t say Thaksin was an angel, what i’m saying is that the PAD is not an angel either. Why aren’t you bothered that the leader of PAD called for a suspension of democracy, that 70% of parliament should be appointed instead of elected? If that doesn’t sound like a dictatorship then I don’t know what is. At least in the current system, the people still can overthrow Thaksin or Samak through legitimate means – defections or new elections. If the PAD’s plans are implemented, then how would the people overthrow the PAD if only 30% of parliament is to be elected?
Is this the mentality of opposition supporters, to blindly support and toe the party line? And to equate the PAD with PR or UMNO with TRT is just plain wrong. IMO Thailand is not much safer or happier compared to Malaysia. Maybe you people only mix around with the urban elites in Bangkok. Don’t let your hatred for UMNO blind you to simply condemn your own country and praise other countries.
Eh, monsterball what the hell are you babbling about? This is a blog comment section not your local ah beng hangout. Why the hell are you so worked up over an online comment anyway? Get a life, period.
golenscreen….nice message.’
I got a full… happy.. purposeful life.
Why don’t you get the full facts.,before you jump to stupid conclusion.
There golenscreen….She talk this way at Ramadan site too.
But I am glad…..read on..and feel sorry for HER.
Thanks Susan…..for deleting snipe message.
Yeah Susan pitied the munster
I keep on thanking God if time i m in this post..
Dear goldenscreen,
Did i make any equation between what’s happening in both countries?
Did i mention that PAD is good for Thailand?
Why are you reading things into my non-statements?
Is your own assumption of ‘equating’ a Freudian slip?
As before it’s just a series of questions unrelated to our political situation…
there was no ‘hidden agenda’ as you seem to think.
Btw, what makes you think i don’t associate with the poor & disenfranchised?
Menyalak-er,
When I was referring to UMNO/PKR – PAD/PPP, I was referring to the comments made by Johnpah above. Sorry for the mis-communication.
So now you think PAD is not good for Thailand, PPP also not good for Thailand, then what do you think at this moment in time is the best possible choice that is good for Thailand? What is the majority of Thai people suppose to support given the choices that they have been given..my money is they will still support the next TRT/PPP party once the Bangkok elite manages to get PPP banned. The Bangkok elite will lose election after election because Thailand is NOT BANGKOK.
Several comments from AsiaSentinel says it better than I could so enjoy:
Samak, reviled though he is by many, is not really the issue here, and it’s not Thaksin’s corruption, either.
Thaksin’s populist policies awakened poor Thais in factories and the countryside to the possibility they could have–as never before in Thai history–a government focused on the interests of the majority, where the voices of the military, the aristocracy and old money have no special weight.
Much of the elite continues to hope the masses will forget this idea, and the demand for a much bigger slice of the pie that goes with it, after a few years of a government appointed by their betters. In the past, all such governments (except for Prem Tinsulanonda’s in the 1980s) have been corrupt, ineffectual and deeply unpopular. There is little sign that if the PAD somehow gets a chance to call the shots, its leaders–like serial political loser Chamlong–can do any better. The genie is out of the bottle; we can expect to keep hearing from him.
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The truth is, even with Samak and his cohorts out of the way, the parlous state of affairs in Thai politics will continue unabated. It’s foolish to think that appointed bureaucrats will be any less corrupt than elected ones; the reverse is almost always the case. Plus, at least with electoral democracy you can change the government every four years. Once you have an entrenched elite of unelected officials (in, say, Burma or China) there’s no way of getting rid of them short of a bloody revolution.
Clearly, what PAD is pushing for is a return to the good old days when “uneducated” poor Thais had no say in the running of the country whatsoever and could be lorded over at will by the rich and powerful. Sonthi and his peers are not campaigning for a socially responsible agenda on behalf of the poor but rather a reationary and elitist system where generals, well-connected moneymen and judges are the only ones allowed to set the agenda. (Listen to Sonthi rant and he sounds no more insightful, responsible and intelligent than Samak: he’s just as much of a self-serving and conniving politico.)
And yet many supposedly educated “liberal” Thais continue to portray the PAD leadership as a force for good by insisting that Thaksin is the root cause of all evil in Thailand, and once you get rid of him all will be well. Like him or not, by now Thakin has been turned into a superpowerful bogeyman whose powers for political mischief apparently remain limitless — despite the fact that most of his wealth has been frozen by Thai courts and he’s now a fugitive. Thai intellectuals (and I use the term loosely here) would do well to read Animal Farm by George Orwell, paying special attention to the vilified character of Snowball.
What we need in Thailand is a socially responsible movement willing to take on the entreched and corrupt elites, regardless of their self-proclaimed royalist or Thaksinista credentials.
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‘Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej’s government appears to be on its way out, no matter what he does.’
The thing to hoped for is not that Samak stays but that the authoritarian PAD goes.
‘Once seen as one of Southeast Asia’s more stable emerging democracies, the events of the past week highlight the instability that has beset the country since the military overthrew former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra in September 2006.’
That seems to me to be the problem. Unable to win an election the PAD and Democrats have now decided to do away with elections and just let those “naturally endowed to rule”, rule.
The problem from the Democrats’ point of view is that the “ignorant farmers” are sitting on the Bangkokian’s Thailand. Not unlike the “Islamofascist” Iraqis sitting on “American oil”, or the equally “Islamofascist” Palestinians sitting on “Israeli land” and using “Israeli water”.
Thailand is really the Bangkok Empire, and the people regarded by the rest of the world as the Thai people are regarded by the Bangkok “Elite” as squatters on the property of the Bangkok “Elite”. It’s not Thaksin but any sort of devolution of power and control into the hands of those in the “hinterland” that has the Bangkok “Elite” genuinely incensed. How dare they!
Democracy in Thailand is OK, as long as the power stays in the hands it’s always been in. If the Thai people start to get the “wrong idea”, to want the government to begin to work to their advantage, well then that’s enough of the democratic “experiment”!
The “Thai media”, which is of course the “Bangkok media”, seem to be lined up solidly with the authoritarian “Elite”.
I hope they are unsuccessful and that democracy lives in Thailand.
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Although many of the PAD protesters are there out of conviction a large number is paid. Especially the “up country farmers” who are on the site. (some of my wife’s friends are there and they get 700 baht per day plus free food and drinks) They dont realize that they are helping to turn back the clock to 1932. People like Chamlong and Sonthi have there own agendas, what they care about is themselves.
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The Royalist militarist Bangkok elites wants the stupid peasants to remain poor and unfranchised forever. However the stupid peasants refused to be cowed. Now that the elites cannot win at the poll so they plotted using PAD to call for a shammed unity government guided by the Monarchy.
Yes, goldenscreen, i agree that niether ‘parties’ are sustainable for the complex situation in Thailand.
You’re absolutely right in pointing out that the Thai nation is BKK’s empire, because i’ve seen/experienced the poverty in the North and Northeast. The despair is so profound, much like in Myanmar, that i sometimes mistake myself on where i am! Esp. amongst the other indegenous population.
The healthcare is nil, the AIDS endemic, orphans – it is actually very much like the Horn of Africa, as some of colleagues inform me. Education is minimum and the list just goes on!
Honestly, my friend, however much we empathize and sympathize, i think there is needs a stern message from His Majesty himself to start a reformist movement – maybe on a socialist platform. This certainly will not be popular.
Thanks for your analysis, and truly there is no comparison between the 2 nations.
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Sad to note that despite the complaints against the racist remarks made by MCA and Gerakan, the BN Coalition Partners, UMNO had certainly turned a deaf ear to them. What PM and DPM did indeed sent the wrong message to all the UMNO members. The underlying tone sounded like “do what you may, you can be rest assured that you have your big brothers here to protect you.”
MCA and Gerakan, if you have any dignity or integrity left, both of you should leave BN and join the PR. The recent GE and BE results merely proved and testified that racial politics have no place and they won’t work anymore in Malaysia. In my view, the longer they persist, they will destroy the nation, the people and the economy of this beautiful and resource-rich country.
Until UMNO realises the realities of the day, there is no prospect for all the so-called “pendatang, who do not deserve to be granted equality as the “datang dari mana”. So BN partners, buck up and start putting on your thinking cap. Your hesitancy has brought national development at least 10-15-20 years backward.
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Susan got too much hates that it cloud her judgemenent.
Malaysia is by anumena not perfect, but muc much beter than thai and their whole system
Malaysia is by any mean not perfect, but muc much beter than thai and their whole system
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