This is a sad case of S Banggarma (left, file image from malaysiakini), who is fighting to reinstate and maintain her life as a Malaysian Indian of Hindu religion.

No matter what the Constitution says about freedom of religion, Banggarma felt she had been forced to be a Muslim, when in her heart, mind and soul and thought, she is a Hindu.

She question the sincerity of Najib Razak’s 1Malaysia (which even his deputy has admitted is a failure).

“Is this 1Malaysia, that I have no right to fight for myself? Why must I be forced to accept Islam? I have my own life,” she said.

How true, Banggarma. It’s time the lovebirds Najib and Rosmah return from their holidays and answer these thorny questions.

Please read my article here: Hindu woman fails to nullify her conversion to Islam.

85 responses »

  1. Ho Ho Ho says:

    Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄
    🙄 Ai yo yoyoyo go la old those love birds when they are back home from their moneyMOON time o.k! Ai yoyo nothing is fair one under this regime as many of my Indians frens also feels the same 🙄
    Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄

  2. wits0 says:

    ““Is this 1Malaysia, that I have no right to fight for myself? Why must I be forced to accept Islam? I have my own life,” she said.” – S Banggarma.


    That statement by Judicial Commissioner Yaakob Sam said S Banggarma should refer her case to the Syariah Court is actually offensive and nonsense to the nons.

  3. You forgot that this is Malaysia !
    Otherwise all the young muslims will convert to non muslims and in years to come the Malays will go back to be non muslims as they were, before the Turk and the arab muslims came to convert them. Just like the Indians who converted their own kind to become Hindu in Bali.

  4. wits0 says:

    “You forgot that this is Malaysia !”

    In the eyes of the nons and that is 4/5th of the world, religion has to be a persuasion, not a compulsion. This is not about to change because of ceaseless oxymoronic denials.

  5. amir says:

    Outcry as Malacca allows child marriages
    Aug 4, 10 4:05PM

    Rights groups condemn the new rules that allow Muslim girls below 16 years to wed.

  6. kittykat46 says:

    The deadlock between Common Law courts and Syariah courts is Mahatiu’s doing, by the constitutional amendment which made the two courts equal in status.

    Ostensably to give Syariah courts dignity, but in reality, creating endless Constitutional logjams.
    Add to that the almost mono-ethnic make-up of Civil Law law judges who unfortunately consider their religious loyalty first before their loyalty to the Law.

    Unfortunately, she has no real choice in terms of current ;egal process. She has to apply to the Shariah court to declare herself as never having practiced as a Muslim and is not a practicing Muslim. There have been some successful cases before, but it is a difficult and drawn up process, and the court has the power to order her “Reeducation”.
    Makes my skin crawl just writing the Stalinist term “Reeducation”. One Indian woman complained she was forced to eat Beef or else go hungry.

  7. wits0 says:

    “The deadlock between Common Law courts and Syariah courts is Mahatiu’s doing..” – KK46.

    Damn right, it was!

    An impure creature with unfettered power naturally leaves a ramifying trail of disaster behind.

  8. amoker says:

    Poor her.
    It is criminal to have institutionalized conversion at such young age. At 7 years old?
    I was told that this not only happens in welfare homes owned by government.
    Does anyone get extra bonus for getting people to sign on as a convert?

  9. rebena says:

    “Rights groups condemn the new rules that allow Muslim girls below 16 years to wed.”

    immatured group.

  10. rebena says:

    why apply force to convert ? tak boleh pakai

  11. rebena says:

    “Rights groups condemn the new rules that allow Muslim girls below 16 years to wed.”

    for sloppy melaka laki .. ?

  12. Ho Ho Ho says:

    Ho 💡 Ho 💡 Ho 💡
    💡 Hmm for this complicated n sensitive issues concern about religion freedom methink n hope that PR can ask any of their PAS good muslim frens to explain how to really solve this innocence Indian girl ‘Forced’ to be a Muslim issue against her will !! Anyone there ❓ Calling calling 123 over 😆
    Ho 💡 Ho 💡 Ho 💡

  13. Pegasus says:

    The talibans in Malaysia sitting in the syariah courts and civils departments are well trained by the likes of BTN ,Jais etc ..they turn out to be full of inferior complex and incapable of facing reality ..and had to hide behind the religion Islam and utter nonsenses in the name of god…which is mind boggling..!!!

  14. Pegasus says:

    If Parameswara did not convert ,probably the Malays might be going to temple together with the beggars and prostitutes migrants to pray today…!!!

  15. Pegasus says:

    If Parameswara did not convert, probably our Malays friends will be going to temple to pray today together with the beggars and prositute migrants…!!!!

  16. amir says:

    Under fire for bulldozing his way through the “A” ban, Muhyiddin Yassin has decided to put the controversial issue under wraps – he has issued a gag order to all parties in the BN and also included the Pakatan Rakyat!

    “He must be joking. Let MCA follow the gag,” PKR strategic director Tian Chua told Malaysia Chronicle.

  17. rebena says:

    some syariah behave alike al-queda / taliban pattern to push victim over converts.

  18. kandhan says:

    Sabahan non-Muslims in their thousands have been registered with ‘Islam’ as their religion on their MyKads, revealed a Sabah PKR leader today.

    …, they were assumed to be Muslims solely because of the bin or binti in their names.

  19. kandhan says:

    “Adenin and his father have been going back and forth between the Sabah NRD, Muis (Sabah Islamic Council) and the Syariah Court. Till today, there has been no decision reached on their case. We will bring up this case during the dialogue.”

  20. zaidi says:

    There is probably at present, no bigger saboteur of the 1Malaysia concept than
    Muhyiddin himself

    Kumpulan Jahat (KJ) Mahathir, Najib, Katak Ibrahim, Perkosa dll jugak

  21. rebena says:

    Sabah and Sarawak non-muslim may bring this similar issue,.. The State Election is near, PR is able to lead your States, Voters prepare for the polling.

  22. rebena says:

    some ppl view L Kuan Yew, L Tsien Long, Jayakumar as good example to lead the nation / community. Lion City became wealthy and success.
    But mamakutty’s glory decrease.

  23. rebena says:

    Perhaps Kittykat, Pegasus, Ho Ho Ho can become councillor or state assemblerman in Selangor ? Perak ?

  24. wits0 says:

    “But mamakutty’s glory decrease.” – Rebena.

    The gory fool’s mess becomes more exposed worldwide.

  25. Ho Ho Ho says:

    Ho 💡 Ho 💡 Ho 💡
    💡 Keep it up 💡 Rebena n Frens 💡 TQ but most of my Frens will not involve in politics BUT to support n give in $$$ only to our own ability like how many fight for Sibu miracle with PEOPLES POWER support n not from corruptions $$$ 💡
    Ho 💡 Ho 💡 Ho 💡

  26. Ho Ho Ho says:

    Ho 😳 Ho 😳 Ho 😳
    😳 WTF those devils 😈 really too much bcoz even unlit candle also get ARRESTED for no reason bla bla Oh Ya for their jungle LAW reason 😳
    Ho 😳 Ho 😳 Ho 😳

  27. rebena says:

    The PR is not underestimate dumpnu , both at the level of Sarawak state , and at the GE13.

    L Kuan Yew still have significant influence strength and earned the much respect from all quarters, though his age is more than 86.

  28. Ho Ho Ho says:

    Ho :mrgreen: Ho :mrgreen: Ho :mrgreen:
    :mrgreen: Jungle Ancient Law in the making :mrgreen:
    :mrgreen: More Divorcee from this sick Ancient Law in near FUTURE :mrgreen:

  29. kittykat46 says:

    Hmmm…I have had interesting conversation with some DAP and PKR people over the issue of “support letters” which has caused a major heartache in DAP Selangor, and lead to Tee Boon Hock’s expulsion, and possibly more strive.

    PR should just ban the use of support letters in the states which it governs.

    Its a relic of the corrupt Barisan Najis system. In a great many dealings that individuals and companies have with the state government machinery, you won’t get anywhere unless you can show that you have the support of some bigwig from the Ruling Party.

    In a clean, functioning government system, it shouldn’t be like that. All government business should be conducted based on the merits of the person/case.

    Unfortunately, after March 08, 2008, PKR and DAP became the “Ruling Party” in Selangor , Penang, the whole stinky system remained in place, with PKR substituting UMNO and DAP replacing MCA…..

    PR must dismantle the corrupt system…..

  30. Ho Ho Ho says:

    Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄
    🙄 mr muhidedin says GORE n WOLFowitz was wasting their time over DSAI trial 🙄
    🙄 Methink this mr moo kangaroo court is the one who is really wasting RAKYAT $money$ over this ‘CHICKADUCK’ sodo 2 x-hole sick 👿 goon 🙄
    Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄 Ho 🙄

  31. wits0 says:

    “PR must dismantle the corrupt system…..” – KK46.

    Or any system that predisposes towards under counter corruption. It obviously cannot afford to ride two horses at the same time. Shake off the rankling Jurassic mode or get its own support diminished. Ppl may never vote BN/Bumno but this does not mean that they would otherwise vote PR regardless.


    When God in His wisdom gives us the full freedom
    How can mere mortal functional man take it away
    By restricting how one can worship in His kingdom
    As though mankind can easily be forced to sway

    (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 060810
    Fri. 6th Aug. 2010.

  33. hashim says:

    Why do you think that more than 90 percent of Chinese parents see no choice but to shield their children from the sekolah kebangsaan system? If I were a mother, I would never wish to subject my vulnerable child to a bellicose environment where my race, and the traditions and faith beliefs I’ve imparted to my son or daughter are disparaged…

    NEP yielded Ketuanan Melayu; NEP phase II yields Ketuanan Islam. For its poster boy, Ridhuan Tee is the face. But look too at the state sanctioned structures and processes that facilitate the creation of such a convert.

    Converts are even paid money by the state when they embrace Islam. When a ‘victory’ or human souls are won by NEP-like means, how honorable is that?

  34. malays_with_trotters says:

    Recent sukuk defaults and Investment Dar’s legal battles are set to reshape Islamic finance as investors demand more transparency on asset structures and proof of borrowers’ creditworthiness.

    Several high-profile Islamic bond defaults and the near failure of Dubai property firm Nakheel’s sukuk have soured investor sentiment towards the sector, casting doubt on claims that the sharia’s safeguards offer added protection.

  35. mirip says:

    Arab and Palestinian media have had numerous racist remarks and cartoons about such American leaders as Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, and now even Barack Obama. In a recent radio interview, one of the leaders of the Islamist movement in Israel — in other words, from the Arab minority there — said that it was a disgrace that a black Israeli soldier could ask for the identity document of an Arab Muslim.

  36. wahai says:

    Saudi Arabia will become the most powerful country and we will conquer all lands.

  37. wahai says:

    U.K.: Report states that ideology of “non-violent Islamists” differs from that of violent jihadists “only on tactics”

  38. toast says:

    & all the way from Mamakthiu`s country….

    Kerala engineer forced to wear veil; protect her, HC tells police;-protect-her-high-court-tells-police/659686/2

  39. toast says:

    Islamic cleric: “The Koranic verses that deal with fighting the infidels and conquering their countries say that they should convert to Islam, pay the jizya poll tax, or be killed”- Al-Rahma TV on July 19, 2010

    Muhammad Al-Arifi is an Islamic cleric. He has devoted his life to studying the Qur’an and Islam. And somehow he has gotten the crazy idea that the Qur’an says that Muslims should fight against unbelievers, subjugate them, and make them pay the jizya. Now, whenever non-Muslims point this out, they’re called bigoted, hateful, and ignorant of Islam. So is Muhammad Al-Arifi a self-hating Muslim who Misunderstands Islam and just narrowly avoided flunking out of his seminary? Or could it be that the “bigotry,” “hate” and “ignorance” charges are just smokescreens designed to bamboozle the unwary into not realizing that the truth is being told?

  40. tribes says:

    Jadi mengapa kita, sebuah negara yang agama rasminya Islam dan majoriti rakyatnya Islam, harus mempersoalkan kelantangan azan, khutbah dan solat di masjid dan surau?

    -Kadir Jasin

  41. tribes says:

    Cairo is to synchronise the call to prayer across the city’s 4,500 mosques using computers to put an end to out of tune and out of time muezzin.

  42. hashim says:

    “I am the man in the sx tape. The girl is a personal friend.” BBC… PDRM say ok

  43. kahkahkahkah says:

    Part censored by Astro yesterday:

    ALI: I came to the conclusion perhaps it’s better for Muslims to move away from I-slam altogether and seek a different source of morality.

    MANJI: Wow. Where to begin? I-slam began as a religion of justice, but it has since become corrupted into an ideology of fear.

    ALI: I — I again say it’s not one strategy. I agree with your strategy and with yours. And let’s talk, let’s persuade, let’s do everything we can. But why pursue only the strategy of emancipating Mu-slims through reforming I-slam. Why not emancipate Mu-slims also by introducing them. It’s not either/or but also by introducing them to other moral systems.

  44. billauchris says:

    Religious compulsion is anethema to Islam. Conversion to be effective must be a conversion of heart and not in name only.

    Faith is not a simple matter. One can easily lead a dockey to the pond but it is much more difficult to force it to drink from it if the dockey refuses.

    Unless the dockey is really thirsty, it may lower its head to drink the pond’s water.

    In the same vein, for a human to embrace a new faith, he/she must be thirsty for or a desire to acquire the knowledge and teaching of that desired faith. If conversion takes place prematurely, the efforts are wasted. Since that person has not gathered much depth of that faith, soon, he/she will lapse and go back to square one.

    Conversion must be from the heart and not from compulsion for its effect. I hope that the authorities take note of this little bit of advice.

  45. tobruk says:

    Mob Threats Lead to Closure of Church Building in Indonesia

  46. zaidi says:

    Being in a car or on a motorcycle with someone of the opposite gender can land you in trouble.

  47. goblok says:

    “Many people in the West love their dogs more than their wives and children,” the Grand Ayatollah declared….Owning pets, particularly dogs, has become increasingly popular in recent years among Iran’s wealthy urban elite, many of whom loathe the present regime.

    Read more:

  48. tojo says:

    Israel: “Rape by deception” turns out to be brutal rape of a vulnerable and abused woman

  49. wahai says:

    Pak Minister wants Obama to be ”leader of all Muslims”

    Islamabad, Sep 2 (PTI) A Pakistani minister wants US President Barack Obama to offer Eid prayers at Ground Zero in New York and become the “Amir-ul-Momineen” or Caliph of Muslims.

    Minister of State for Industries Ayatullah Durrani, who belongs to the ruling Pakistan People”s Party, said the upcoming Eid-ul-Fitr festival, expected to be observed on September 11, would be a “golden opportunity” for Obama to offer Eid prayers and declare himself the leader of all Muslims.

    “In this way, all the problems of the Muslim world would be solved,” Durrani told The Nation newspaper.

    Durrani, a former member of the Pakistan Ideological Council, contended that the Muslim world is in “dire need” of a Caliph and occupying this distinguished slot would provide Obama “exemplary titles” like “Mullah Barack Hussain Obama” or “Allama Obama”.

    He said: “The time is approaching fast. Barack Hussain Obama must act now. This is a golden opportunity, Muslims badly need it.”
    Obama”s elevation to the Islamic Caliphate would be the “key to success, he claimed but did not offer any explanation for his remarks.

    ”Ground Zero” is the former site of the fallen twin towers of the World Trade Center.

  50. hahahaha says:

    Richard Nixon became a pundit. Jimmy Carter became a saint. Why can’t Obama become caliph?

    Obama as the Leader of the Believers, said Durrani, would be the “key to success.” It’s noteworthy that a member of the Pakistani government would be able to look at Obama’s record as President and conclude that he is not only a Muslim, but should become their leader.

  51. hahahaha says:

    Note where Durrani wants Obama to proclaim himself caliph: at Ground Zero, of all places. Why there? To promote reconciliation and interfaith harmony? No—that is not what the caliph does. The caliph is uniquely authorized, according to Sunni Islamic law, to wage offensive jihad against non-Muslim states in order to bring them under the hegemony of Sharia.

  52. hahahaha says:

    Let me make it perfectly clear………

  53. kittykat46 says:

    Barack Hussein Obama…

    Actually it doesn’t bother me what religion Obama professes, however, from past experience I’ve found that a person who goes out of his way to cover-up, deny or change the story about his past usually turns out to be highly untrustworthy in other more important matters.

    Obama was born of a Muslim father (hence the “Hussein” thingy), brought up by another Muslim stepfather in Indonesia. As a child he attended Islamic religious classes, which are compulsory for Muslim children – that’s how Obama was classified in Indonesia.

    Is he a practicing Muslim ? No – he is attends the Trinity United Church, which is a Protestant Christian denomination.
    Was he a practicing Muslim ? Definitely yes in his childhood years, though he strenously tried to cover his tracks.

    As one Imam put it, Islam is not a religion you can just check out like a hotel.

    In the eyes of Islam, Barack Hussein Obama was and is a Muslim.

  54. amir says:

    “In the eyes of Islam, Barack Hussein Obama was and is a Muslim.”

    If Obama goes to Malaysia, he will be sent to “detention class” to learn the right way.

  55. wits0 says:

    “Is he a practicing Muslim ? No – he is attends the Trinity United Church..”

    Who says a non practising one can apostate as an adult within their scheme of things? As Lina Joy.

    Then the Church of Obama is a weird Black racist one of Jeremiah Wright. His graceless wife’s one.

    Can a real Christian be pro-Choice?

    Why can’t he just show his real birth certificate? if he has an American one, i.e.

  56. mapet says:

    “Why can’t he just show his real birth certificate? if he has an American one, i.e.”

    No got, the goat in kenya eat certificat already

  57. tobruk says:

    For Obama to be a Muslim or christian would require him to believe that there could be something higher than himself.

    Along the same lines, for Obama to be an atheist would require him to believe that there is no god. And that’s not what his mirror tells him.

    In Obama, theism is narcissism writ large. Very large.

  58. wits0 says:

    “No got, the goat in kenya eat certificat already”

    The shadiest narcist(wrt all aspects in life)holding the highest office! An empty suit TOTUS.

  59. wits0 says:

    The TOTUS also bows the lowest to the King of Araby! A POTUS does not bow to anyone in US history.

  60. hahahaha says:

    Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, televangelists were disgraced in a series of s*x and money scandals, as examples of people practicing false Christianity.

    No sentient human is required to take Obama’s profession of Christianity any more seriously than if it were coming from a 1980s blow-dried, money-grubbing televangelist with a mistress on the side.

  61. wits0 says:

    Obama’s profession of Christianity does not convince even an astute and knowledgeable non Christian. Pro Choice!

  62. tobruk says:

    it’s Obama’s church attendance — back in Chicago — that proves he’s an atheist.

    This was inadvertently admitted by Obama’s leading butt-boy, Richard Wolffe, on North Korean TV Monday night. Wolffe acknowledged that Wright’s liberation theology was not Christianity, but then forcefully distinguished Obama from the Rev. Wright — i.e., Obama’s sole character witness for his alleged Christianity.

    Of Glenn Beck’s denunciation of liberation theology as a false religion, Wolffe said: “Is he debating Jeremiah Wright or Barack Obama? They’re two different people. If he wants to debate liberation theology with Wright, he’s got something to talk about. But liberation theology hasn’t been anything espoused by this president.”

    But it was espoused in the only church Obama ever attended regularly — for 20 years

  63. hahahaha says:

    “it’s Obama’s church attendance — back in Chicago — that proves he’s an atheist.”

    OMG. At least christians are suposd to be “people of the book”.
    Atheist, they will cut his head off

  64. tobruk says:

    OMG. At least christians are suposd to be “people of the book”. Atheist, they will cut his head off

    There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman.

  65. wits0 says:

    The liberation theology of Jeremiah Wright is basically reverse racism and that’s what it’s all about, using Occam’s Razor in analysis.

  66. zaidi says:

    Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said he had a one-on-one meeting with Obama, in which President Obama told him that he was still a Muslim, the son of a Muslim father, the stepson of Muslim stepfather, that his half brothers in Kenya are Muslims, and that he was sympathetic towards the Muslim agenda.
    The alleged exchange between Obama and Gheit would almost certainly have happened in early January 2010, when Gheit was in Washington, D.C. regarding “Mideast peace talks.”

  67. zaidi says:

    I oppose the Qur’an-burning. I don’t like the burning of books. I’d rather that the contents of the Qur’an, and the ways that jihadists use those contents to justify violence, be known. However, these people are free to do what they want to do. Petraeus would do better to tell the Afghans that in America we have freedom of speech and expression, and that we put up with speech and expression that we dislike without trying to kill the speaker. He would do better to tell them that their likely murderous rage over this event is an outrageous overreaction, and that any bloodshed over this would be a heinous crime, far dwarfing any crime they think the people in Florida are committing.

    The idea that in wartime one should be careful not to do anything that the enemy is likely to respond to with irrational and even murderous anger may seem tactically wise at first glance, but ultimately it is a recipe for surrender. One is already accepting the enemy’s worldview and perspective, and working to accommodate it, instead of working on various fronts, not just the military one, to show why it is wrong and should be opposed.

  68. hahahaha says:

    Petraeus knows the US is losing, so he finds excuses la.

  69. zaidi says:

    And the police did essentially nothing, confining the Hindus to their homes while the mobs continued to roam free.

  70. wits0 says:

    While campaigning as a candidate for the office of POTUS, the Fakir suppressed the “Hussein” part of his name. After successfully conning the USA, “Hussein” reappears, loud and clear!

  71. zaidi says:

    This resulted in the wrecking of his home and the torching of his motorcycle.

  72. hahahaha says:

    “Hussein” reappears, loud and clear! – wits0

    Yes, Hussein is only a Muslim name. I lived in the Middle East, and even Arabs who are christian would never have that name.

  73. Ho Ho Ho says:

    Ho 😯 Ho 😯 Ho 😯
    😯 Bir Gambar Bicara Sendiri n must be FAIR to others too lo 😯
    Ho 😯 Ho 😯 Ho 😯

  74. thesink says:

    The Human Rights Party (HRP) claims it has achieved its aim of upholding the constitutional right for freedom of religion, in bringing relief to 10 Indian Malaysians who were caught in conversion turmoil for years.

    The 10 victims of allegedly forced conversions are from the three families of Rajina a/p Krishnan, Rani a/p Kandasamy and Banggarma a/p Subramaniam (left).

    On Tuesday, HRP central committee member S Thiagarajan took them to the National Registration Department (NRD) headquarters in Putrajaya to iron out the long outstanding issue with seven NRD officers.
    According to Thiagarajan, it took over eight hours of persuasion and reasoning with the NRD officers headed by NRD’s births, deaths and adoptions deputy director I Azliza Shaharudin to complete this application process for the change of name.

    Initially, HRP encountered resistance from Azliza who after perusal of the documents, rejected the applications on the grounds that these three cases should be brought to the Syariah Court for the change of name and religion to Hindu.
    After obtaining the Syariah Court order, only then should they apply for changes in their identity cards and birth certificates at the NRD, she had stated.

  75. 1ToiletMalaysia says:

    UMNO & rest use the KLSE as their Turf Club, make misleading announcements, jack up prices, and then get out leaving dumb investors with toilet paper.

  76. pergola says:

    Hello Malaysia boleh, while BN was trying in fixing the cracks in MCA hall on the 5.12.2010…two big ladies dancing with 15,000 at Dataran Merdeka in 1 Tarian Cuti Cuti Malaysia at lady gaga hits and bits full blast away…in full glalmour of arrogance…The Pastor was praying in awesomeness in the 100 years old Cathderal St, Mary, hopefully, no roof tiles would fall on anybody head due to intense vibration. Surely, the sermon of the day, would not land in the ears of the sunday goers as the Tsunami of musics took all the peace away…The Church of England in Dataran Merdeka has been forebearing such oppression on Sunday since the day the flag pole planted there…DBKL, Bukit Aman, PM Dept., TDC, Kebudayaan and countless Law abiding citizens care the damn…as to whether the Christian in the Cathdral has the rights or should be respected to have a peaceful, quiet and honorable Sunday worship service in the midst of all embassy friends…witnessing such a disgrace of so called 1Malaysia: Rakyat didahulukan; Pencapaian diutamakan….talk and walk is vastely differ…

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