Let me just reproduce the press statement by two persons recently (on 8 July):

Al-Islam Police Report

We are deeply concerned that two Muslim men acting on false information that the Catholic Church was converting Muslims into Christians had recently entered a Catholic Church service for the purpose of gathering information as to whether this was occurring.

They were also investigating whether the word ‘Allah’ was being used in church services. These men participated in the church service and even took part in the rituals that are strictly for Catholics and in doing so violated the sanctity of what Catholics hold very sacred.

These men later wrote about their experience in an article entitled “Tinjaun Al Islam Dalam Gereja:Mencari Kesahihan Remaja Murtad” which was published in the May 2009 issue or the Al Islam magazine.

Al-Islam May09

The men had consumed the ‘communion’ which is a white wafer which is blessed by the Priest in a Catholic ritual that dates back 2000 years. Via this ritual the ‘white wafer’ is supernaturally transformed into what Catholics believe to be Jesus Christ and when consumed allows Catholics to experience life after death. The ‘communion’ is held with great reverence and cannot in any way be mishandled or with a lack of respect. Even Catholics are not allowed to take home the ‘communion’ but are instructed to consume it immediately during the service. Catholics go through an elaborate process of preparing themselves to receive this ‘communion’ worthily and those who have not done so are advised to refrain from receiving it.

As such we are outraged that these Muslim men consumed it only to spit it out later, have it photographed and have its image published in the Al-Islam magazine. The total disrespect shown to what Catholics hold in closest to their hearts and believe to be most Holy strikes deep into our hearts and invokes much anger. While we are resolved not to allow anger to guide our actions and instead pray that these ignorant will be forgiven by the Allah, we want to know what has become of this most holy ‘communion’ and demand its immediate return to the church authorities.

We are further outraged that these Muslim men have violated our sense of privacy to freely worship. Would these men tolerate non-Muslims entering the mosque and violating the sanctity and holiness of their worship? We believe that all places of worship and the form of worship practiced in these places must be respected with the greatest sensitivity and reverence be they the church, mosque, temple or gurdwaras. Entering these premises with the intention to spy and worse to violate the sanctity of the worship only serves to incite anger and hatred that could lead to potentially dangerous consequences that would tear this country apart.

Al-islam May09 (2)

As such, as concerned Catholics, we have made a police report at the Patani Road Police station on 8th July 2009 and thereafter held a press conference at the same place. We requested that the police investigate this matter with great urgency and bring to books those responsible for acting to incite hate and resentment among the Catholic Community. We also call on the police to investigate both the Al-Islam magazine and the writers of the article.

Joachim Francis Xavier & Sudhagaran Stanley

Penang

70 responses »

  1. This is life for non muslims in muslim Malaysia !
    They don’t do this even in Indonesia, suppose to be the biggest muslim nation in the world. Why ?

  2. walski69 says:

    This is just pathetic… that’s about all I can say, Susan. sheesh…

  3. Sick people do sick things.

  4. NoktahHitam says:

    What a shame. They even had the guts to publish it? If the case of murtad happens in today’s youth, why publish it on Al-Islam? Would these youth buy such magazine just to read an article? Answer, no. They’d buy Galaxie, Mangga, URTV, FHM and such.

    If they published it for the sake of profit, then, as a muslim, I am deeply ashamed.

    On other note, murtad (or conversion from Muslim to Christian) happens everyday. It is our responsibility to install faith in youngster so they won’t be misguided.

  5. mak jun yeen says:

    dear Susan,

    I dont know who is more sick, the “Spies” who spit out the communion or those self righteous catholics who lodged a police report on this.

    Let me tell you a story.

    My mother is a devout catholic.

    15 years ago, she counseled a born catholic who converted into Islam for the woman he loved.

    He complained that his mother in law have been putting “charms” on him so that he would not leave or revert to christianity.

    His wife have been controling his movements so that he would not go see his mother who they fear would ruin his new found akidah

    His mother and relatives asked him to divorce the wife and return to the fold of the Church and would not give him peace until he did so.

    He had no one to ask for advice but turn to my mother.

    My mother ask: Did you love your wife when you married her?

    He said yes.

    My Mother : Do you believe that Christ is your Lord and he loves you?

    He said yes.

    My Mother: Then you must love and take care of your wife, your mother in law, her brothers and sisters just as Christ has love you. Go back to your wife, What God has joined let no person tear asunder.

    She didnt tell me whether the man did as she advised but I learned more about Christianity and Catholism from my mother’s advice than from all the catechism and sermons in church that I have attended up till then and ever since.

    Instead of welcoming people to the Church even if they want to insult you like Christ would have done they are drumming the political drum beat and asking the police to prevent so thing from happening..

    Loks like You can spend all your time in the garage it doesnt turn you into a car, you can spend all time in Church doesnt turn you into a true Christian.

  6. llheng says:

    These two arseholes are one of those holier than thou religious idiots who got nothing much better to do. All they care about is religion, religion etc… going to heaven etc….
    There are thousands of crimes happening around the country, and many are feeling the global economic issues, and yet we have these two idiotic bums rather than helping the country to move forward, they snobbed on other people religion.
    This is Bolehland.

  7. Dave says:

    If we did the same thing to Muslim,we get hell from the goverment.See what the police or whoever are concern to punish this culprits.What a country we have

  8. Dave says:

    I would like to see the Home Minister what he is gonna to do about it.Firstly ban the Magazine and never to renew their licence,secondly jail them.We would have a riot if this same thing happen the other way round.

  9. apapunboleh says:

    Nothing better to do, so it’s better for them to do what they do best, start religious tension.

  10. Antares says:

    Tweedledum versus Tweedledee. Catholicism versus Islam. After all these centuries, crusades and jihads still going on? Blardy stupid lah, all these Abrahamic book religions. Turn their followers into violent brainless sheep! I propose a worldwide moratorium on RELIGION… until humans come to their senses, let them drink beer and fight over football clubs till only the non-drinking, non-football watching ones are left.

  11. lucia says:

    you can read about the other articles when they mentioned about spying on other churches at my blog. they did not participate in the service and consume the ‘body of christ’ though. they discovered most of those they thought were malays were catholics flipinos or sabahans/sarawakians.

  12. Musa Susah says:

    Let them come and investigate or find out more about the church. Even if they come as spies and participate in the ceremony, welcome them instead of being suspicious of them. There is nothing for the church to fear or to hide because the The Catholic church are not doing anything wrong. WHY MAKE A BIG FUSS ABOUT IT?

  13. kaKiaYam says:

    “….Instead of welcoming people to the Church even if they want to insult you like Christ would have done they are drumming the political drum beat and asking the police to prevent so thing from happening….”

    So where do you draw the line? Would lodging a police report discourage people from coming to the church? Did the person who made the police report ask that these spies should be punished?

    We expect more from these muslims…seriously…

    KaKiaYam

  14. malaysian says:

    seems like there is a james bond for islamic religion. Good to know what will be the governments action on these guys. Can we do the same to islam religion, body snatching. The govt should put a stop to this unethical means of promoting a religion.

  15. lucia says:

    musa susah
    sure we welcome them with open arms if they want to come to our church but the fuss was that they consume the ‘roti putih’ (white host) which had been transformed into the ‘body of christ’ – a holy sacrament that only us catholics believe in. the ‘body of christ’ is something very sacred to us catholics. those who are not catholics should not consume it. and what make matter worst, these spies consume it (presumably put in thier mouth) then spit it out again and take photos of it. the ‘body of christ’ is sacred and should not be played around like this. it is sacrilege to ‘play’ with the ‘body of christ’ like what these spies did!

    if they just came to the church and observe and even join in the prayers, fine, we welcome them but not when they took part in a sacrament that is meant for catholics only.

  16. monsterball says:

    One who claims they belong to the most powerful religion on earth……need not resort to such a low class acts.
    So what…if few Muslims want to listen…feel and see for themselves..why God is.
    This spying have been going on for decades.
    These are sick people…not Muslims at all.

  17. Keith says:

    They are more then welcomed to come to church.

    You’re more than welcomed to be a catholic.

    But until you are, catholics request that you respect our beliefs and not partake in holy communion.

    You can stay the entire duration of the mass and there after, but we simply ask that you do not consume the holy Eucharist as it is only for baptized and practicing catholic. That is our belief, if you don’t believe it that’s fine, but respect must be given. You cannot participate in Holy Communion until you are in communion with the church.

    The reporters were not just Muslims, they were to an extent anti-Catholic, and as such their partaking in Holy Communion is not just a sin, but an insult to my beliefs.

    If Muslims get riled up over Cartoons of their prophet, how would they expect Catholics to react to this?

    For those of other faiths, to put this into perspective, it’s similar to destroying statues of Deities or pissing on the holy books. We believe that Communion is the body and blood of Christ, and spitting it out is spitting on Christ. You can choose not to believe it, but you have to respect it.

    My 2 cents.

  18. Saba says:

    To prevent such vile characters from defiling a place of worship it might be a good idea to demand to see the identity cards of any one who looks suspicious before they enter a church or temple. Then if their ic’s show they are Muslim perhaps they could be reported to the Islamic religious authorities to deal with. Unless I am mistaken, and if I am I do apologise, Muslims are forbidden from entering churches and temples. The religious authorities should then also send these twisted charcters for a long rehabilitation at one of their infamous rehabilitation centres.

    True Muslims will surely be highly offended by the disgusting behaviour of these ugly Malaysians.

  19. stan says:

    The middle east has given us 2 things, ideology & oil. Both which do no good. The world would better to move off from these 2 ills. Same way u can look at very obese man and say, he is not healthy, u too can look at condition of their holy land in jerusalam, barb wires, checks etc and conclude, their religion is not for us. Budhisim, shintoaism, hinduism has never gone to war against others or among themselves. In the end, u dont need a bible etc to teach u to be good, if u need that, something is already wrong with u

  20. mak jun yeen says:

    “the ‘roti putih’ (white host) which had been transformed into the ‘body of christ’ – a holy sacrament that only us catholics believe in. the ‘body of christ’ is something very sacred to us catholics. those who are not catholics should not consume it. and what make matter worst, these spies consume it (presumably put in thier mouth) then spit it out again and take photos of it.”

    Anyone remember Brother Heng in KL some 20 years ago who was on his way to becoming a priest.

    Well one day he gave a sermon in Holy Rosary Church Jalan Brickfields and he told us how heaven would look like.

    There was a person who died and went to heaven there at the gates was St Peter.

    St Peter welcome him with open arms and gave him a rousing welcome.

    The saint took him around heaven.

    “And hear look, this is the anklers part of heaven”

    Indeed there were people with fishing rods fishing the largest fishes from a heavenly river.

    Then they pass a garden filled with the most beautiful flowers and sweet smelling plants. “And here you see those who like gardening when they were on earthe gardening here for all eternity”.

    They passed thru a hall filled with millions of books, “and here the bookworms and avid readers can read to their hearts content.

    As the tour continued suddenly they come to a gigantic castle with walls stretching so high you cant see the end.

    ” Holy father, what is that castle and who lives there” asked the new heaven resident.

    St Pete frowned and caught hold of his hand and whispered “sush you
    be quiet, that castle is where all the catholics who think that they are the only people in heaven stay, we dont want to disturb their heavenly bliss”

  21. wermalaysians says:

    I remember my Pastor was arrested under ISA by the chedet Government when the Church was accused of converting some Malays to Christians. What actually happened was one Malay who was a Christian invited some of his Malay friends to Church. The Church cannot possibly turn away anybody if he or she wants to attend Church service. Its about beliefs not about imposing your views, a cardinal rule in Religions. My Pastor had to take the rap, imprisoned for 2 year and on completion banished to NZ. Never forgive these people.

  22. Dave says:

    I am really getting angry at this two muslim who violated our rights.what is the religious department going to do about it. They are good at body snatching. Damn

  23. solon says:

    The church is open to all regardless of race or religion.
    Indeed, we don’t turn them away but the two muslim men who went in there to ‘persecute’ so-call murtad is something we Christians should speak up against. Just as Christ did when he chased away those people who turn “My Father’s house into a a gambling house”.

    Or the time when He challenge the temple elders about the sabbath. As Christians, we have the right to worship freely and so do any so-called murtad.

    The Muslims or any non-Christians are welcome to the church service. What we are against is their partaking in the communion with every intention of making a mockery of the Blessed Sacrament, and publishing their ill-intent in a magazine or periodicals.

    If we don’t speak up, we are a party to committing a grave sin against the Host. Christ made clear what he thinks of those parishees but with no malice in His heart. And so do we. The police report was rightly made because the men violate the sancity of the church and to find with intention to prosecute our brothers and sisters – so-called murtad.

    And mak jun yeen, there are many of us who are already praying for the repentence of the two muslim men. We don’t pray negatively against them. That is not our intention. Let the police deal with them.

  24. kaKiaYam says:

    mak jun yeen, you are barking up the wrong tree. I don’t see anything wrong in making a police report. And I do not understand why are you telling us all these stories.

    Do you actually think that it is a display of self righteousness, holier than thou attitude in making a police report over this issue? If yes, why and how?

    KaKiaYam

  25. BobSam says:

    WerMalaysians,

    U r 2 emotional at the moment, but take a step back and c what u just wrote. “Never 4give these people”.

    I m not sure who u pray 2. But my Maker loves His creation. Every ripe fruit that falls into the dirt leaves tears on His face. I m certain that there were tears in heaven during the recent massacre of people in Xianjin. They were who they were, but my Maker and His court would have been so very hurt.

    Do u remember how may times we were 2 4give our brother?

  26. BobSam says:

    Solon, who does our Maker say will take vengence?
    Were we 2 judge?

    2 be honest, I m afraid I do not have the capacity to openly 4give. But that’s my cross, I have some distance 2 go b4 I die 2 self.

  27. Lidis Singkung says:

    I am angry but not vengeful. Also I shall forgive them both.

  28. Aisha Stacey says:

    Christians often talk about developing a relationship with Christ and accepting him into their lives. They assert that Jesus is much more than a man and died on the cross to free mankind from the original sin. Christians speak of Jesus with love and respect, and it is obvious he holds a special place in their lives and hearts. But what about Muslims; what do they think about Jesus and what place does Jesus Christ hold in Islam?

    Someone unfamiliar with Islam may be surprised to learn that Muslims love Jesus too. A Muslim will not speak the name of Jesus without respectfully adding the words “may peace be upon him”. In Islam, Jesus is a loved and esteemed man, a Prophet and Messenger calling his people to the worship of the One True God.

    Muslims and Christians share some very similar beliefs about Jesus. Both believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary and both believe that Jesus was the Messiah sent to the people of Israel. Both also believe that Jesus will return to earth in the last days. However in one major detail they are worlds apart. Muslims believe with certainty that Jesus is not God, he is not the son of God and he is not part of a Trinity of God.

    Read the complete article at:

    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1412/

  29. apalagi says:

    “These men participated in the church service and even took part in the rituals that are strictly for Catholics….”

    TAQIYA

    al-Taqiyya According to the Sunnis
    ==================================
    Some Sunnis assert that al-Taqiyya is an act of pure hypocrisy that serves
    to conceal the truth and reveal that which is the exact opposite (of the
    truth). Furthermore, according to those Sunnis, al-Taqiyya constitutes a
    lack of faith and trust in Allah (SWT) because the person who conceals his
    beliefs to spare himself from eminent danger is fearful of humans, when, in
    fact, he should be fearful of Allah (SWT) only. As such, this person is a
    coward.

    http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6b/1.html

  30. KaKiaYam says:

    “…. However in one major detail they are worlds apart. Muslims believe with certainty that Jesus is not God, he is not the son of God and he is not part of a Trinity of God….”

    Right, as you have mentioned it, this is the believe of the muslims. What then got this to do with the issue above? Tell me, how do you believe the fact that Jesus is not God with “certainty”?
    What does it means by “believe in certainty”?
    You accepted Islam and in Islam, they are a set of doctrine and belief which you must ACCEPT. To accept something and to say that you believe in something with “certainty” is seriously two different matters. You don’t believe in something with certainty just because you accepted such a believe for a long period of time. But in any case, I respected your believe.

    But perhaps, you could just comment on the behaviour of these two muslim man instead of telling us what we have already known?

    sigh,….some muslims, instead of criticising what was done by the two wolf, take this as an oppurtunity to tell us what we should and shouldn’t do….

    my guess is that what these two wolves did, is justified in their eyes…maybe next time, i will start participating in their rituals…including preparing food and what not and blog about it….

    KaKiaYam

  31. charleskiwi says:

    I wonder what is the P.M. going to do about the whole incident ?
    Or he is behind the whole thing ?
    One question I would ask is why are so many muslims (boat loads of them ) dying to ‘get’ across to the Christian countries to live ?
    The above two muslims men and the organisation behind the incident should instead try to stop all the muslims from ‘going’ to the Christian
    majority country. I also wonder why you don’t hear of Christians dying to ‘go’ to a muslim country !
    We all know what the results would be if a police report is made !
    No further action la !!! Birds of feather flock together.

  32. a little green beam says:

    The priests in Malaysia are sometimes jokers.

    Looking at the sermons they are preaching, they are no better than the Umno spies.

    Why the number of Christians can not surge but on the decline has a lot to do with the preaching of the pariah priests here.

  33. a little green beam says:

    Even Christians and/or to-be-Christians would be turn off by all these pariah priests before they open their mouths.

    There is something very wrong with the preaching of Christianity in Malaysia.

    Who would want to be a Christian if the priests are preaching like a parochial Umno kampong boy?

    The priests must not be arrogant and must know how to market Christianity to the public.

    By looking at these Priests, they behave like stupid kampong boys who need further training in Trinity College!!!

  34. Susan…, what do we expect when there are people that have all the time on their hands…!

    By doing what they did in church, knowing very well it’s against their religion, haven’t they “sin”…???

    And…. got the balls & face to write about it.
    Moreover I think their magazine not selling so off they go in search of “havoc”…!

    Sometimes you wonder…….
    What do they actually do for a living…!!!????????????????????

  35. roti chanai says:

    life is all about contradictions
    forgive and forget
    learn to live in peace

  36. monsterball says:

    We will live in peace…once we vote UMNO out .
    Till then….there is no peace….except patience and tolerance.

  37. monsterball says:

    “a little green beam” writer.
    You should change pastor and church..try others…so many…so different.
    One may suit you.
    If not..something is wrong with you.
    Take this advise from a Buddhist….in case you think I am a Christian.

  38. tv25 says:

    we need Karam Sigh Walia lah…

  39. Menyalak-er says:

    Dear friends, no sermons, just 3 quotes:
    “…Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
    “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you.”
    “Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.”
    No politics, no religion and no law needed.

  40. Musa Susah says:

    * Love thy neighbours as you would love yourself
    * When a man slaps you on one cheek offer him the other.
    * Father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
    * Love thy enemies.
    * Judge not others lest thou be judged.
    * Forgive is divine
    * St. Paul persecuted the Christians but he later became a Christian
    but had his head chopped off for being a christian.
    Its not easy to be a good Christian but if you chose to be one and
    really be a good one, then carry the cross without complain. Your
    good examples will turn the enemies of the church to be friends of
    the church.
    Church

  41. ktteokt says:

    I always believe “Do not unto others what you do not wish others to do unto you!”

  42. Musa Susah says:

    * Love thy neighbours as you would love yourself
    * When a man slaps you on one cheek offer him the other.
    * Father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
    * Love thy enemies.
    * Judge not others lest thou be judged.
    * Forgive is divine
    * St. Paul persecuted the Christians but he later became a Christian
    but had his head chopped off for being a christian.
    Its not easy to be a good Christian but if you chose to be one and
    really be a good one, then carry the cross without complain. Your
    good examples will turn the enemies of the church to be friends of
    the church.

  43. GIVE DUE RESPECT TO RELIGION

    The Church adopts an open-door policy
    Though being Christians may not be easy
    The elements are not meant to be any delicacy
    So due respect will be a fair request of any theocracy

    (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 100709
    http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
    Fri. 10th July 2009.

  44. loud and clear says:

    Dear monsterball,

    I had been to a church in England and I really enjoyed the preaching in that church in England. The priest was superb and the fellow Christians were like brothers and sisters. we were like 1Family in the church.

    I have been attended to the various churches in Malaysia but just feel one kind with the churches here.

    I sometimes walked out of the church when a priest start talking illogical preachings.

    Looking at the Umno spies in the Catholic Church here, the unfair social treatments on the various races, and looking at RPK enjoying himself in Hype Park corner, and also looking at Michael Owen joinning Manchester United, yes! dear monsterball, you are right, it will be something wrong in me if I continue staying in Bolehland.

    I will be joining Liverpool though (my favorite team), but only as a supporter… hehehehe…

    Cherio and goodnight my dear monsterball and please take good care of your monsterballs… hahaha…

  45. blong says:

    How many Muslims reads al-Islam? It is a publication with dwindling circulation. They did what they did to boost circulation. Was what they did in line with Muhammad’s teaching? Definitely not. I hope the police and the law will deal with then, though I doubt that will happen here. In the little red dot, the secular govt really punished overzealots who belittle other religions.

  46. FenceSitter says:

    What? And they have the guts to make a police a report? It is not like a thief breaking into a victims house and then go and make a police report about what he found at the victim’s house? What a joke.

  47. monsterball says:

    ‘loud and clear” writer…..My children are Christians and I too attend the churches they belong to checked them out.
    Yes…you are right…the few I attended are with pastors and priests that are not qualified nor convincing…..but there are hundreds of other churches. Are you a Methodist or Catholic?
    I instructed my children to leave those churches…and they have found better ones…right now.
    All religions…including Buddhist monks….do give lousy talks or sermons…not sincere from the heart…….just a talk…like from a salary man.
    And few Imans mix politics with their preaching too.
    Concerning Christianity…..you are not fair to compare England with Malaysia.
    You cannot compare anything from England with Malaysia at all.
    If you love your religion so much…you should write ad complaint to the HQ..where is it? ..surely not the Vatican.
    Yes….write to the HQ and do good services to your own religion.
    I did visit Sri Lanka and complaint about Buddhists monks…and even did it …right in front of them..face to face…in my temple.
    They appreciated and accepted my complaints as logical.
    The problem with Muslims….they never dare to complaint…how lousy some Imans are…as in Malaysia….Islamic religion.. is part of UMNO politic.

  48. joshua says:

    My God loves everyone…Malays, Indians, Chinese, Bumiputeras, Orang Asli, Mamaks etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

    My God is Allah.
    My God is Yahweh.
    My God is Shang Ti.

    My God is one and only God.
    My God is Invisible.
    My God is Omnipotent, Omniscient.

  49. tbaleno says:

    How much outrage was there when someone just drew an image if mohamed a few years ago? It is a similar situation.

  50. […] Police report on Muslim men spying in Catholic churches Let me just reproduce the press statement by two persons recently (on 8 July): […]

  51. Archangel says:

    Friends,

    All these endless provocations, insults, necro-kleptocracy [sic] etc. mean that : A new Crusade is coming.

    And they better remember they started it.

    Until then Nomine Patris, Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

    Amen.

  52. april fool says:

    “NY Times deletes ‘Allah’ from Jermaine Jackson speech Sunday, 28 June 2009″…..DARE to investigate the NYTimes, you local rats?.

  53. Bob says:

    McCann,
    U r being extremely irresponsible. U r waving a red flag, inviting a “Han-Tuesday” response here in churches in that vicinity.
    Extremely irresponsible. Your post is the definition of CRIMINAL SEDITION.
    U r endangering lives and property.

    Kakia Yam & WerM’sia, after reading McCann’s comment, u can c that I have fallen and I m judging. But 105 is deliberately baiting mob action and endangering the peace.

    I pray that the Spirit of Contention is bound, and I ask for the release of the Spirit of Love & Peace. Salam & Shalom.

  54. Tia says:

    Here’s an article written by some dude attempting to take a stand somewhere in between.

    http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2009/07/al-islam-undercover-operation-at.html

    But hey, its just an excuse for the journalists’ behaviour. He writes:

    “I understand that maybe those Al Islam Magazines’s journalists thought that they had no other options but to go undercover in order to discover whether there is any truth with regard to the reports and rumours going around that there is a clandestine operation by the Christian Church here in Malaysia to apostatize the weak faithed amongst the Malay Muslims of Malaysia into becoming Christians.”

    “Investigations on apostasy” appears to be a cover-up for this big boo boo. Finding out the truth does not require the journalists to actually participate in the mass rituals.

    If going undercover was such a necessity, they could have simply carried out investigations without consuming the communion. Most churches announce / display that communion is only for baptised and practising Catholics.

    OK well, never mind all that. Bottom line is… If the investigation was about apostasy, why did they have to publish information on the rituals and the photo of the desecrated host? I don’t see any connection between the two. It’s not unreasonable to question what their real intentions are.

    It seems to me that the article published in the magazine is no different from a news scoop or some exclusive spread, simply for the pure reading pleasure of those who subscribe to it.

  55. loud and clear says:

    Monsterball

    Yes….write to the HQ and do good services to your own religion.
    I did visit Sri Lanka and complaint about Buddhists monks…and even did it …right in front of them..face to face…in my temple.
    They appreciated and accepted my complaints as logical.
    The problem with Muslims….they never dare to complaint…how lousy some Imans are…as in Malaysia….Islamic religion.. is part of UMNO politic.

    There are 1,001 complaints to be make in one’s life. If you were to bothers the events in this world, fyi, it’s an infinity.

    I didn’t make any complaint because there are just too many complaints to be made in this world!

    Can you rectify the problems if you complain? The answer is a definite NO!

  56. loud and clear says:

    So what to do with one’s life when confronting by all these complaints and problems?

    Can you solve all the problems deriving from all these complaints?

    Can you reverse the meticulous and monumental flow of the Yang Tzu river? The answer is no!

    The solution is let it be! Let the continuous flow of the Yang Tzu river unfettered!

    Let nature takes its course!

    This is Lao Tzu theory!

    What is Lao Tze theory? Please watch the You Tube below:-

  57. pistil says:

    “Let nature takes its course!”

    Osama Bin laden and his brothers are part of nature taking its course.

  58. Menyalak-er says:

    Hahaha, pistil, neither did the crusaders.
    Ever heard of “Peter the Hermit”, nice fella – Osama’s ‘no fight’ compared to the likes of him.
    Is Lao-Tze historical? But the Daodejing is pretty interesting.

  59. Isaac Ho says:

    That’s the reason why I am compelled to leave Malaysia for good. What these two Islamic spies did to our faith would have to repaid in the next life? Such despicable act is an insult to the Holy Spirit and would not be forgiven. They are destined for fiery Hell…these fanatics. Our Jehovah God will not forgive these two culprits if they don’t repent…

  60. Aisha Stacey says:

    The Islamic view of Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jews, who rejected Jesus as a prophet, called him an imposter, while the Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God and worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the greatest and most forbearing of prophets, in addition to Noah, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad, may God praise them. Jesus is also considered to be the Messiah as well. This is in conformity with the Islamic view of the Oneness of God, the Oneness of Divine guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of God’s messengers.

    Read the complete article at:

    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/31/

  61. Gerry Chong says:

    I’ve always been the kind who was sure of how i’ll react to situations. After first reading bout this, my initial reaction was one of anger, hatred and most definitely violence. I”ve never had a problem with violence especially when threatened. Somehow, after reading some of the many posts here i’m close to tears. No longer am i thinking about how they’d feel if we did the same. I’ve definitely stop wishing that these two fools are standing in front of me so that i can bash their faces in.

    Instead, i’m questioning my christianity. I’m asking myself what i should do and how i shoud ACCEPT this. I’ve never once in my life turn my other cheek. In fact, when it comes to confrontations, arguments and brawls i’ve always believed that it’s better to give than to receive. but now, in the face this situation, i find myself trying to be christian, not just a catholic. i go to church on an annual basis but i love the catholic church. i feel loyal to the church. but will the usual, expected, humanly response which is retaliation help?

    i definitely agree that something has to be done, but wat? somehow, saying something like ‘how’d they (muslims) feel if we do the same in their mosque” just doesnt cut it. it just doesnt feel right. just doesnt feel christian.

    however, i do hope that something is done about this.

  62. Lea says:

    This is down right appalling. A violation of the nation’s Christians. Muslim extremists are giving their religion a bad name…

  63. eureka says:

    mak jun yeen: I understand you’re a mother and wife. Now if your husband were to be robbed/murdered or your daughter was raped, would you only just pray for the murderer/robber/rapist and not do anything else or make a report immediately and take whatever it does to bring these culprits to justice?

    To call these 2 Catholics ‘sick’ is uncalled for. Instead, their actions should be commended. It is because of them, that we are aware of the happenings of this country and can we pray for justice to prevail. You owe them an apology.

  64. syahazman says:

    I always fear this friction between religions. Friction, in any way will heat things up.

    In this case, it clearly violates the sanctity of the church. As a muslim, I am against non muslims to do the same in our mosques.

    The late Deedat drew up a parable with a car and the religion we are in.

    A religion is like a car in an accident while us, the drivers. Do you blame the car or was it the driver? Every car on the road served its ultimate result: as a transportation which provided ease of transit from point A to point B.

    Every car is as good as the nut behind the wheel. Please don’t blame the religion because of what the two nuts and a magazine has done.

    Why can’t we live in peace, like the ones we had centuries ago?

  65. bullshit says:

    Let’s be frank… do you really think by making a police report would actually carry any weight to make a difference? Is there actually any ‘Integrity’ left?

  66. billauchris says:

    There is no doubt that the two jounalists who disguised as Catholics, attended their church service and deconsecrated the worship of the Catholics by defililng the host had committed a great secrilege and abomination against the Catholic Religion. Their report in the Al-Islam was certainly uncalled for and provocative of the good nature of the Catholic Church.

    For justice to be met, the Government should invoke the ISA and locked these two kurang ajar up in Taiping Prison. Besides, Al-Islam should be outlawed.

  67. jerry baboi says:

    There is no peace in this world today, the bombing of the 2 hotels in Jakarta, recent bombing of shopping centre in Makati Manila, the religious unrest in china even though muslim is a small minority and now they started spying in church in Malaysia. This is a religious provocation and must not be tolerated. Christian worshippers using the word Allah is big issue in Malaysia christian must not tolerate the animalitic act of these 2 idiots. Misti makan bak kut teh. Police do your job well.

  68. grkumar says:

    This feigned outrage ought to stop. It contains inaccuracies which are inflammatory and divisive and do not represent the wider Catholic view.

    http://takemon.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/al-islam-and-catholic-outrage-unmasked/

    You ought to encourage your readers to diversify their views and not to accept blindly the hysteria this has become in the name of catholicism and Christ.

    http://takemon.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/al-islam-and-catholic-outrage-unmasked/

    Here is a thought provoking, non populist though balanced view.

  69. grkumar says:

    najib manaukau :This is life for non muslims in muslim Malaysia !They don’t do this even in Indonesia, suppose to be the biggest muslim nation in the world. Why ?

    Because Suharto murdered over 3,500,000 of his people during his 30 odd reign of terror leaving his Chinese crony friends in charge of everything from the media to their Churchs in return for western support.

    When Suharto was brought down by his masters the Chinese Christians were naturally the target for a campaign of burning, rape, looting and murder.

    Do you wish to be in that league?

    GRK

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