We can always count on Haris Ibrahim for the latest news on important issues like this!

But like this ONE (though not so alike), I, too, have NOT changed my mind about HINDRAF. The Malaysian Indians are a minority, their basic rights must be protected and promoted, not trampled upon. The same goes for the Indigenous, women and children.

It is NOT the same however, when a dominant group like UMNO wants to grab everything within (and without) their optic range. Don’t look far. Who gets to decide the Prime Minister of a country with 23 Million people? 2,000 UMNO goons. Now tell me if that is NOT greedy.

There are still stubborn people who believe in the rights of the dominant group to trample over others. Because probably they stand to gain from such associations. Who gets to gain anything from the minorities? Perhaps just their hospitality.

Remember, you can’t even get that from the dominant group’s OPEN HOUSES. Remember what happenned to HINDRAF when they went over to present the Prime Minister with a teddy bear and roses, from the hands of a six year old? Yeah, they get busted.

For those who think the dominant group is GOD, we leave them to their right to do so. But keep in mind where the lines are drawn between us and such creatures. But for those who want to know more about minority rights, however, go here. It says:

We believe that recognition of minority and indigenous peoples’ rights is crucial to establishing and maintaining just and peaceful societies.

There’s also an Independent Expert on Minority issues in the UN, and her job is outlined here. But excuse me, those areas of concern does not refer to “dominant” groups, ok. And currently, there is a UN Forum on Minority Issues in Geneva from 15-16 December 2008.

And what does Malaysia, who is a member of the UN (for 3 consecutive years) does to HINDRAF, a minority group?

(1) Ban them;
(2) An emergency motion on HINDRAF gets rejected in Parliament;
(3) HINDRAF leader and ISA detainee Uthayakumar’s trial moved to February (justice delayed is justice denied!).

I will think of them this Deepavali as I celebrate the occassion in Bangkok with my Nepali and Indian friends. There are some great photos of Uthayakumar in court yesterday in this blog: National Express Malaysia.

Makkal Sakhti!

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  2. maxtor says:

    Hindraf ni menyusahkan orang je. Takda kerja lain, berkumpul ramai2 lepas tu buat kecoh. Kalau pendekatan yang digunakan tu dibuat secara aman dengan saluran yangbetul, tak jadi masalah. Tapi masalahnya cara mereka tu yang menyusahkan orang lain. Tak payah lah berkumpul ramai2 tunjuk kuat, bila sorang2 semua kecut.

  3. maxtor says:

    Kecenderungan untuk bertukar ganas tu ada. Tak habis2 nak berarak, kumpul ramai2 tunjuk kuat. Apa benda tu? Dah jadi budaya pulak dekat Malaysia ni. Dengan buat2 claim merapu pasal ethnic cleansing semua tu, memang mereka ni memudaratkan negara. Kalau nk perjuangkan apa2 pun, guna lah cara, dan saluran yang betul, buat kecoh dijalanan bukan cara terbaik, tu cara nak menyusahkan orang!!

  4. hard time says:

    Is Malaysia a gracious society? Is Islam avocating a gracious society?
    Make a positive commitment to gracious living through simple acts of kindness in the daily activities & good government would make Malaysia the best home for its people.

    To know the answer we can see how happy are the minority in the country and Malaysia fail big time.

  5. Aiyoyo! We kicked out the old British colonial masters just to install another local colonial masters who are behaving much worst than the old British warlords.

  6. hang tuah baru says:

    Well, if we could kick out the more powerful and greedy white colonial warlords, they won’t be any problem in kicking out all these endemic local, greedy and ruthless warlords who are much worst than the old British warlords.

  7. freewave says:

    Abolish the ISA.

  8. ANNA says:

    MR MAXTOR,YOU FEEL THE PAIN WHEN IT HITS YOUR ASS.
    WAIT FOR YOUR TURN.GOOD DAY MAN!!!!

  9. KC says:

    Sdr. Maxtor,

    Berat mata memandang, berat lagi bahu memikul…

    Bayangkanlah fakta2 berikut:-

    1. Walaupun terdiri dari golongan minoriti kes2 jenayah membabitkan kaum India adalah lebih tinggi dari nisbah penduduknya.

    2. Kes2 membunuh diri adalah yang tertinggi antara semua kaum di Malaysia.

    3. Kupupusan serta kemerosotan Sek Keb(T).

    4. Kes2 kekerasan keluarga kaum India, adalah antara yang tertinggi di negara kita.

    5. Kehilangan tempat2 beribadat yang berleluasa.

    Gejala2 diatas mencerminkan betapa perit dan pahitnya kehidupan majoriti kaum India di negara kita.

    Pokoknya semua rakyat negara kita yang memerlukan bantuan harus dibantu tanpa mengira bangsa atau agama!

    Kaum India khususnya memerlukan sebuah badan yang boleh menerajui serta menaikan iktibar mereka untuk menuju kearah intigerasi terhadap masyarakat mainstream, baik dari segi ekonomi ataupun sosial.

    Dari sudut ini, MIC telah gagal setelah sekian lama menjadi tiang ibu kepada kaum India dan pada 08hb Mac, kaum India telah bersatu suara untuk menolak kepimpinan Datuk Samy Vellu. Hattanya terdapat satu kekosongan peneraju kaum India, maka lahirlah wira baru kaum India iaitu HINDRAF.

    HINDRAF telah pun berusaha berulangkali untuk mengadakan pertemuan dengan Pak Lah bagi menyampaikan masaalah2 yang dihadapi kaum India. Tetapi kesalnya Pak Lah atau penasihat2nya tersalah baca sentiment membara kaum India yang sekian lama dipendam oleh MIC, lalu mengabaikan serta membazirkan satu peluang yang baik untuk membendung kemarahan serta membaiki silahturahim dengan kaum India.

    Disini Pak Lah dengan jelas telah gagal menjalankan tugasnya sebagai PM untuk semua bangsa!

    Apa yang cuba dilakukan oleh HINDRAF boleh dikatakan sebagai Nahi Mungkar. HINDRAF telah cuba mengubah kemungkaran itu dengan tigacara iaitu dengan tangannya, dengan lisannya atau dengan hatinya, yang terahir inilah adalah selemah-lemah iman.

    Dengan mengharamkan HINDRAF, masaalah2 yang dihadapi oleh kaum India tidak akan hilang begitu saja malah, tindakbalas sebaliknya akan berlaku dimana sokongan kepada HINDRAF akan memuncak!

  10. Nudibranch says:

    A social Comment !……..

    A frank discourse by a Bumiputra of Malaysia.

    The writer is a nephew of Dr Mahathir. Excellent one !

    By Ahmad Mustapha

    Singapore’s Minister Mentor, Lee Kuan Yew, who was Singapore’s founding father, has always been very direct in his comments. This was the man who outsmarted the communists in Singapore (with the innocent help of Malaya then and the willing help of the British) and who later outwitted the British and outpaced Malaysia in all spheres.

    Singapore practices corrupt-free meritocracy and Malaysia affirmative action. The former attracted all the best brains and the latter chased out all the brains. The Singapore cabinet consists of dedicated and intelligent technocrats whereas Malaysia has one of the most unwieldy cabinets. Not only that, brain wise it was below par not even good for the kampong.

    With that kind of composition, one that is very brainy, naturally Singapore , with no natural resources could outstrip Malaysia in every aspect of development. Malaysia, on the other hand, was too much preoccupied with its Malayness and the illusory ‘Ketuanan Melayu’ and was also more interested in useless mega iconic development rather than real social and economic development.

    Whenever Kuan Yew utters anything that was deemed to be a slight on Malaysia , voices were raised admonishing him. Malaysia would never dare to face reality that Singapore had shown that it could survive was a slap on those who believed that Singapore would fold up once it left Malaysia . Therefore, it was natural that these doomsayers would try to rationalise their utterances to be in their favour to combat whatever Kuan Yew commented. Its political jealousy.

    Singapore achieved its development status without any fanfare. But here in Malaysia , a development that was deceptive was proclaimed as having achieved development status. It was trumpeted as an achievement that befits first world status. This was self-delusion.
    Malaysians are led to believe in a make believe world, a dream world. The leaders who themselves tend to believe in their own fabricated world did not realise the people were not taken in by this kind of illusion.

    Lee Kuan Yew believed in calling a spade a spade. I was there in Singapore when the People’s Action Party won the elections in 1959. He was forthright in his briefing to party members as to what was expected of them and what Singapore would face in the future.
    Ideologically, I did not agree with him. We in the University of Malaya Socialist Club had a different interpretation of socialist reconstruction. But he was a pragmatist and wanted to bring development and welfare to the Singaporeans. Well! He succeeded.

    Malaysia was so much embroiled in racial politics and due to the fear of losing political power, all actions taken by the main party in power was never targeted towards bringing wealth to all. Wealth was distributed to the chosen few only. They were the cronies and the backers of the party leadership to perpetuate their own selfish ends. Seeing the efficiency and the progress achieved by Singapore caused the Malaysian leadership to suffer from an inferiority complex. That Malaysia should suffer from this complex was of its own making.

    In a recent interview, Kuan Yew said that Malaysia could have done better if only it treated its minority Chinese and Indian population fairly. Instead they were completely marginalised and many of the best brains left the country in droves. He added that Singapore was a standing indictment to what Malaysia could have done differently. He just hit the nail right there on the head.

    Malaysia recently celebrated its 50th year of independence with a bagful of uncertainties. The racial divide has become more acute. The number of Malay graduates unemployed is on the increase. And this aspect can be very explosive. But sad to see that no positive actions have been taken to address these social ills.

    Various excuses were given by Malaysian leaders why Singapore had far outstripped Malaysia in all aspects of social and economic advancement. Singapore was small, they rationalised and therefore easy to manage. Singapore was not a state but merely an island.

    There was one other aspect that Malaysia practices and that is to politicise all aspects of life. All government organs and machinery were ‘UMNO-ised’. This was to ensure that the party will remain in power. Thus there was this misconception by the instruments of
    government as to what national interest is and what UMNO vested interest is.

    UMNO vested interest only benefited a few and not the whole nation. But due to the UMNO-isation of the various instruments of government, the country under the present administration had equated UMNO vested interest as being that of national interest. Thus
    development became an avenue of making money and not for the benefit of the people. The fight against corruption took a back seat. Transparency was put on hold. And the instruments of government took it to be of national interest to cater to the vested interest of UMNO.

    Enforcement of various enactments and laws was selective. Thus a ‘palace’ in Kelang,
    APs cronies and close-one-eyed umno MPs could exist without proper procedure. Corruption infested all govt departments, the worse is the police and lately even in the judiciary.

    Singapore did not politicise its instruments of government. If ever politicisation took place, it is guided by national interest. To be efficient and to be the best in the region was of paramount importance. Thus all the elements like corruption, lackadaisical attitude towards work and other black elements, which would retard such an aim, were eliminated. Singapore naturally had placed the right priority in it’s pursuit to achieve what is best for its people. This is the major difference between these two independent countries.

    Malaysia in its various attempts to cover up its failures embarked on several diversions. It wanted its citizens to be proud that the country had the tallest twin-tower in the world, although the structure was designed and built by foreigners. It’s now a white-elephant wasting away. It achieved in sending a man into space at an exorbitant price. For what purpose? These are what the Malays of old would say ‘menang sorak’ (hollow victories).

    It should be realised that administering a country can be likened to managing a corporate entity. If the management is efficient and dedicated and know what they are doing, the company will prosper. The reverse will be if the management is poor and bad. The
    company will go bust.

    There are five countries around this region. There is Malaysia , and then Indonesia . To the east there are the Philippines and then there is that small enclave called the Sultanate of Brunei . All these four countries have abundance of natural resources but none can lay claim to have used all these resources to benefit the people. Poverty was rampant and independence had not brought in any significant benefits to the people. But tiny Singapore without any resources at all managed to bring development to its citizens. It had one of the best public MRT transport systems and airlines in the world and it is a
    very clean city state. Their universities, health care, ports are among the best in the world.

    It is impossible to compare what Singapore has achieved to what all these four countries had so far achieved. It was actually poor management and corruption, and nothing more. Everything is done for the vested interest of the few.

    Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines and the Sultanate of Brunei need good management teams. They would not be able to do this on their own steam. I would advise that they call on Kuan Yew to show them what good governance is. Why look east to Japan when it is just next door across the causeway.

  11. prega says:

    UMNO malays needs indian slaves to work on their estates so they keep them supplied with liquor and keep them under educated. Indian slaves are also used in all menial labor like garbage collecting. Slavery is permitted in Malaysia where only one race can be “tuans”.
    To keep the slaves in line UMNO nurtures mandores like sami velu and kayveas

  12. wandererAUS says:

    There will be Deepavali every year. Hindraf everywhere and warrior surfaces everday, so UMNO can do their worst, it will not succeed. The festival of light will burn stronger and brighter with every passing year!
    UMNO goons can live in a world of make believe.

  13. chris says:

    makkal shakti!

    sloone i salute you again for the support you have given to indian minority…for my indian brothers and also hindraf members….may god bless you all for this noble fight together…….u read what maxter commented? try to fight and raise our name as the warriors and not as what maxter and others are seeing us as alcoholic drunkard…..together we can build a better future…we must also fight for other unlucky malaysians like the people of sabah and sarawak as they are also marginalised…..why must we fight for them too? because we are not racist like THEM………

    tamilan endre sollada. talai nimirnthe nillada…………..
    makkal shakti vaalgha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. sklee says:

    UMNO is making a serious mistake by banning a legitimate movement.Although HINDRAF tends to be a bit chauvinistic, it is a legitimate movement fighting against the marginisation of the minority Indians in Malaysia in general and the Hindus in particular.Can anyone tell me that UMNO, MCA, MIC and other racial parties and non government organizations are not chauvinistic in their own ways!Some are even more extreme!Should they all be banned?Ridiculous, isn’t it?Where is the proof that HINDRAF is a terrorist organization?!Have they carried out any bombing or assasination?Have they instigate violence and suggest assasination to resolve existing problems?They only fight for what they consider as their legitimate rights……and that include the rights to be heard!

  15. Justman says:

    The government can ban Hindraf for all we care. They cannot destroy their souls and beliefs. The movement will live on in another form.
    All peace loving rakyat support Hindraf. They will never ever succeed in their evil attempt to destroy the movement.
    Hindraf brothers, march on and fight for your rights.
    You will succeed when the time comes.

  16. Anonymous says:

    If we think of ourselves as malay, chinese, indians, kandazans etc. we will always find reason to hate.

    If we think of ourselves first as humans who bleed when cut, cry when sad, hurt when harmed we have found a reason to love.

    We can never lover ourselves if we can’t love another.

    HINDRAF is banned and as it doesn’t really exists physically the spirit (the collective unconscious of the indians) can be tranformed into anything. Just use a different name and promote peace, love and justice for all and the spirit will live on.

  17. george says:

    Maxtor, apakah yg menyusahkan orang? Hanyakah Hindraf saja yg mengumpul ramai2 dan buat kacau? Sila lihat sendiri betapa ramai2 juga penunjuk-perasaan orang2 and penyokong UMNO Malay/Mamak apabila cuba demo kat sini sana kat Komtar la, Shah Alam la, Bar Council la, PM Open House la, Bkt Bendera la… Adakah ini tidak menyusahkan orang juga??? Kalau budaya ini tidak sihat, kenapa nak tunjuk kuat and cuba cari pasal pula? Bukankah banyak saluran2 yg kamu boleh buat… melalui surat2 khabar, berita2 kat TV and radio, ceramah2 kerajaan…tetapi hanya untuk pro kerajaan UMNO yg bergantung hidup atas jenama BN saja.

    Cuba lihat siapakah yg sebenarnya setiasa nak tunjuk ketuanan mereka? Hindraf ke atau UMNO yg berprinsipkan apa macam semangat ketuanan apa tu, sebut saja macam2 lagi!

    Adakah kerajaan sekarang sediakan saluran2 yg khusus hendak dengar suara hati mereka? Kenapa ini terjadi semacam ini? Apa boleh bincang lagi, kan Hindrat telah tidak sah and BAN… kenapa… sebabnya kerajaan tidak ingin nak berbincang secara terang and gentleman… ISA pula…

    Lihatlah dengan mata kamu sendiri, ini negara kita semua, Malaysia bukan khasnya untuk 1 kaum saja… tapi mesti faham apakah itu perlembagaan negara…

  18. Menyalak-er says:

    Yes Susan,
    Truly merciless, unforgiving, dictatorial despots, morphing into personality cults even more despicable than “Dear Leader” of N. Korea fame. Soon, the appelation of Most August Tyrant of Ketuanan Fascism will be appropos.
    The conciousness of moral and ethically Malaysians was pricked by Hindraf, it cannot and will not be ‘sorok-ed’ again. It is now in the spritual realm and no physical threats will make it go away…
    But then, they have Guru Ji, don’t they? Hahaha… Idiots!

  19. two-face says:

    Prega
    I have commented on this few times, the Hindraf Tamil Tigers should fight to free the “p****hs” from the caste system that enslave them within their own community. I stand corrected that no race in the world that have a systematic and structured social system that enslave these untouchables.

    Why must the Hindraf Tamil Tigers look for scapegoats elsewhere when the caste system is the stumbling block for the community to move forward. Fight for equality and fairness in your own community before going out to divert attention from your own failure.

  20. Zul MH says:

    Anonymous,

    That was some lovely, menaingful and noble words that you put in your comments. It means a lot to me and my family and certain circle of friends.

    But then again I am sad that not many of us Malaysians, will agree to that philosophy. They will not try to diapute those values but most will have the mindset that we must always segregate ourselves based on our race, ethnic origin, religion, values and cuslture. And some hide behind the facade of their religion to feel that they are always superior to others. They disregard the right of others to live harmoniously

    And the way things are developing these days, the UMNO led government are being run by self-centered, selfish and corrupted group of people who in this century still believes they are superior to others when their religion forbids them to do so.

    And to make it worst the

  21. single face says:

    prega should go to school to get more knowledge ,caste system is in every society but it is more prevalent with the indians thus it can only be tackled thru education or thru proper leadership which is being done , what i m trying to say is the present problem triggered by this bullying UMNO is to be solved so that future children of our beloved nation would live in peace. Changes must come thru leadership not by threat, laws must be enforced to protect every citizen and not selected few and the malays must know the historical fact that has been hidden, of the non malays contribution in nation building from the past.Nearly 50000 indians from Malaya died under the japanese during river kwai bridge and road construction in thailand and many chinese were slaughtered by the japanese army, and many facts are being twisted and blurred which is very disgusting. Politics without conscience is a crime and truth alone prevails.Two face should know the difference between the Tigers and Hindraf ,don,t contaminate.

  22. freewave says:

    Orang-orang UMNO yang paling menyusahkan orang.

  23. two-face says:

    Hindraf Tamil Tigers don’t promote violence you say? Please read The Hindraf Tamil Tiger leaders’s interview in a Singaporean newspaper. He said “I can’t rule out violence”. This Hindraf Tamil Tigers are menace to society that are just blaming others for their plight.

    If they want reform, start with the caste system that is so inhuman. Don’t talk rubbish about fairness among races when the Hindraf Tamil Tigers can’t even fight for fairness in their own community. To reform the caste system should be the top priority for the Hindraf Tamil Tigers.

  24. BERITA BAIK UNTUK SEMUA PENYOKONG PARIA UMNO.
    SILA DATANG KE RUMAH TERBUKA DEEPAVALI HINDRAF.KAMI TELAH MENYEDIAKAN JUADAH ISTIMEWA UNTUK PARA VIP.PEMIMPIN DAN PENYOKONG UMNO.MAKAN LAZAT TERDIRI DARIPADA BABI PANGANG MASAK CILI PADI,BURIT GORENG ROSMA KICAP MASIN,MURUKU,AIR JUS BATANG NAJIB DAN PELBAGAI JUADAH ENAK.SILA DATANG DENGAN MEMAKAI T-SHIRT UMNO DAN DAN BAWALAH KERIS BERSAMA .HA,HA……KALAU BERANI.

  25. Jamal says:

    Tak apa lah, dalam penjara pun bolih raya raya dengan inmates lah. Makanan ada pun. Di India, orang orang banyak susah mahu dapat makanan lah.

  26. HEI TWO FACE PARIA ARE IN TWO GENDER MALE AND FEMALE U FAGOT.YOU ARE WELCOME TO OUR HINDRAF DEEPAVAI OPEN HOUSE.I WILL PREPARE FOR U SPECIAL MEAL.NAJIB STOOL MIX WITH CHOCLAT SHAKE AND BADAWI HOTDOG DICK WITH VEGE MAYONIS…PLS BRING PLASTIC SO THAT YOU CAN BUNGKUS BALIK NAJIB STOOL SHAKE.U WIL LOVE IT YA.

  27. rider says:

    It’s a pity there are many small minded people like maxtor. It will be a long time before their type learn their lessons. But one thing is for sure, even though not all indians are hindraf, come 2013 all indians will show who they are! For the government has alienated the indians futher and the indians feel in no small measure because of that. Indians feel for their brothers and sisters as much as they feel for the nation they are born in, and they will not want to make life worse for themselves by voting for senseless cows to rule their ibu pertiwi in the future!

  28. WEEI JAMAL OTAK BENGONG KAT INDIA TAK CAM DULU.SEKARANG DAH MAJU LABIH DARI KAMPUNG HANG YANG BANYAK KERBAU.INDIA DAH KUASA EKONOMI DUNIA SEPERTI CHINA GAK.MAKANAN KAT INDIA BANYAK.INDIA SEMAKIN MAJU DALAM IT DAN PERISIAN KOMPUTER.ORANG KAMPUNG YANG HIDUP MERANA MAKAN ULAM DAN SAMPAH DARI HUTAN.WAK,WAK,WAK

  29. single face says:

    Kudos for you Nudi Branch!

  30. prega says:

    tukar underwear is right. These indians should be banished from the islamic state of malaysia or convert to the true religion

  31. prega says:

    Indians should all convert to islam then they can become mamaks and kakas and rule the malays.

  32. hang jebat baru says:

    Like I say they need to learn from sultan mansur shah who treated the chinese
    minority so well that they adopted malay custom and speak malay.The sultan ask
    my cousin just to call him bang shah,such humble sultan !The word cina is not in their vocalbury.The indian should come 500 years early,then there is no need for hindraf.
    How do I know all these? Hang Li Poh is my cousin-we share the same sir name.
    If you dont beleive ask hang tuah

  33. prega says:

    two-face (16:05:06) :
    Hindraf Tamil Tigers don’t promote violence you say? Please read The Hindraf Tamil Tiger leaders’s interview in a Singaporean newspaper. He said “I can’t rule out violence”.

    Of course the Hindraf was right. The whole nation saw the violence carried out by the police on hindraf members. Even a 6 year old presenting roses to the PM was arrested.

  34. HAIYAAA PREGA U DONT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH HA?I WAS INSULTING UR MALAY RACE AND YOUR IDIOT ISLAM RELIGION.READ IT YOU DAM ASS.

  35. prega says:

    I also was right you ass – look up the word “sarcasm”. But keep on insulting, at least you have your eyes open. There are many idiots like 2 face whose eyes are closed.

  36. PREGA ARE U MALAY CAST?WHO’S FART SMELL LIKE BELACAN AND BODY SMELLY LIKE FISH.ISLAM IS TRUE RELIGION COS ITS PROMOTE WILD ANIMAL MATE ING RITUAL

  37. hang jebat baru says:

    My battle cry still applys Raja Adil Raja Disembah Raja Zalim Raja Disangguh
    This is not violence but an Honour to die for the sake of our Land.We understand
    that 500 years ago.

  38. prega says:

    4 at one time can wallop also

  39. PREGA U ARE RIGHT BUT DONT USE THE WORD INDIAN SLAVE……INDIAN NEWER SLAVE TO ANYONE OK…..ONLY MALAY SLAVE TO THIER OWN LUST AND UMNO PARIAS SLAVE TO PUTERI UMNO BURIT

  40. prega says:

    Indians are slaves to umno owned estates and municipal councils like DBKL. You dont believe me see how they crawl before their malay bosses.
    They were brought in chains by british people to malaysia under the kangani system and today they are in chains to the malays.

  41. prega says:

    Indians should support hudud laws for muslims in malaysia then maybe things get better.

  42. Dr Suresh says:

    Dear Susan,

    I really appreciate your concern and support for the marginalized Indians.To all my Indian brothers and sisters out there,please be united.Lets shed the crab mentality.Those who are well to do,please find some ways to help the less fortunate ones.Before I left the country,I was involved with some NGOs and we did what we could,but at some stage we realized,the problems facing the Indian community are very complex which required the help of the govt,but sad to say,despite many request, the govt always turned a blind eye.They seem to sweep everything under the carpet as MIC or Indian problem,when actually some of it are national problems.You see, whenever there are social ills concerning the malays such as drugs,bohsias,mat rempits etc,the govt take it as a national issue,but whenever there are problems involving the minorities,they tend to play it down or totally ignore it.So if the govt do not cooperate with the NGOs and give a helping hand,how can the country prosper?If the govt is only serious in tackling the problems of one particular ethnic group all the time,and ignore the others who need help,then what sort of nation building they are talking about?The govt cannot afford to `pilih kasih’when it comes to nation building,they should treat every citizen equally.After all they are all paying taxes too.The Indians are not asking for alms from the govt,they are only asking the govt to be fair,is that too much to ask for?To my Indian brothers and sisters once again,remember we Indians have a very rich culture and a strong survival insticnt too,many of us have become the global community and contributing to western nations,of course in western countries we dont see discriminations as far as govt policies are concerned unlike malaysia,therefore get united to fight a system which has an institiutionalized racism to protect the well being of only one particular race.Unity is our only weapon now.To all those who never fail to demonize hindraf,please understand that if the govt which was also supported by at least 80% indians since independence had been fair to all citizens,groups like HIndraf or Bersih and individuals like Uthaya or RPK would have never existed in the first place.Therefore please think twice before attacking individuals who are powerless and who have lost their careers,freedom and family love and are incarcerated under draconian and unjust laws by powerful,rich and power hungry govt elites.After all what are we fighting for?We all wish to see a prosperous,dynamic and peaceful Malaysia,right?So,instead of cursing each other,lets focus our energy on core issues that is plaguing our nation.Get the govt to address the problems of all Malaysians and not only one particular race,only then can we claim that Malaysia is for all Malaysians.

  43. lol hudud law?ha,ha,ha if ur sister got rape they must be 4 peson and more saksi who saw ur sister got rape live then only ur sister can proof she got rape.wat a dum law under islam.choping human hand and throw stone on peopel head till he die is barbaric law may be muslim is coverd by syaitans thats y they are saying such hudud law is great and being practise in arab country.islam hadari@aka hudud.

  44. 1961 says:

    dear aminah
    They have shown no mercy to you, you look so lovely, so harmless.
    Bala says you talk so soft and gentle….so innocence thinking nothing
    will happen to you…but they were beast…same thing they will do to
    Hindraf….no mercy….kill…murder…destroy.Power and Money is their GOD

  45. prega says:

    Oi tukar underwear take care of your own sister lah I got no sister or mother alive y you want konkeh go to chowkit got many bohsia there sponsor by umno.
    Stoning is good for bad muslims not your pasal. You dont want to throw stone can stay at home lah bodo. Cut hand for stealing also good. You are barbarian idiot.

  46. prega wants hudud law as he wants his wife been raped by other barbarian muslim and watch by 4 mens as saksi….ha,ha,ha idiot.

  47. Upskirt, Seluardalam Bisak, Ternampak Bulu says:

    UMNO, allied by their underlings has plundered the country for 50 years. The truth is that as long as they siphoned off millions to billions, who the hell do they care if you are the same race?

    I felt cheated all this while and while riding on my frail Honda-cub the other day, I had a minor self-accident and fainted. While lying unconscious on the floor, the onlookers didn’t ever bother to help me up but staring and glaring at my torn underwear.

    SHIT! I hate you all.😛

  48. hisham says:

    tukar underwear ni memang bodoh. World advance but he is still living 2,000 years ago and until now never change his underwear.

    Wednesday August 20, 2008
    Ulamak: DNA can be used in Syariah court

    BUTTERWORTH: DNA evidence can be used in the Syariah court to prove sodomy or other sexual offences if the key evidence of producing four witnesses cannot be attested.

    thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/8/20/nation/22124227&sec=nation

  49. Jamal says:

    In jail, also curry rice to celebrate mah !!!!

  50. hisham says:

    Wednesday August 20, 2008
    Ulamak: DNA can be used in Syariah court

    BUTTERWORTH: DNA evidence can be used in the Syariah court to prove sodomy or other sexual offences if the key evidence of producing four witnesses cannot be attested.

    -Star

  51. 1961 says:

    but they c4 AMINAH all the evidence gone.However good the Law is useless if men
    is so mercyless.

  52. 1961 says:

    dear upskirt
    Malays have been sodomise by umno for 50 years.Do you want another 50 years.Go to shenzhen and shanghai in china and you will know how backward is malaysia.The city of shenzhen is a small fishing village 28 years ago.Today the
    population of shenzhen is 16 million.The average class hotel room I am staying have
    2 29inch TV with 48 chanels.compare our LRT with shanghai and you will know that
    we are at least 15 years behind-thats what we like BELAKANG

  53. hisham says:

    Najib should be try under hudud law in syariah court.

  54. 1961 says:

    hisham

    If you try najib under hudud law he will have no hands.no
    legs and no backside

  55. sub says:

    Terrorist Syed Albar take only the doctor and lawyer statastics which all are not sponsored by government, its the parents who sold their property to finance them to do medicine , by the time they become doctor these parents are almost bankrupt, UMNO cheat lump up malay income into bumiputera sabah & sarawak and orang asli to hide Malay income to show it as indian are earning 1.2 times higher than the Malays , he is the biggest cheat and racist minister in nature.

    The UMNO government who represent 60% of Malays they determine so much to suppress and oppress and marginalise the 8 % Indian for what reason, what is their agenda, are they hate the Indian, we are just tiny minority who are deprieved of their citizen right for 5o years, why they are not generous in admiting to the truth, and treat the minority fairly as a reponsible government.

    There is no typing error above; I did spell ‘Hundraf’ for Human Rights Action Force. Hundraf is the twin spirit of Makkal Sakthi, an expression translated as People Power, not Indian Power.

    Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar is reported by Bernama as saying the Indians are not neglected in Malaysia. What he implied is that Indians have little cause for complaint and thus the complaining Hindraf have no basis for their struggle.

    Syed Hamid in announcing the ban on Hindraf said the Indian community was quite well represented with 14 Members of Parliament, 21.4% in the legal fraternity, 18.4% in medicine and their income was 1.2 times higher than the Malays.Out of his count of 14 Indian MPs, only three are from MIC compared to six from DAP.

    There are three from PKR and one from PSM — Samy-slayer of Sg Siput, the redoubtable Dr Jeyakumar Devaraj. If Indians are ‘well represented’ , it is no thanks to BN. (I could only recognise 13 Indian names, maybe I missed someone or perhaps there is a Malay Dilemma-ed MP in the House.)

    Regarding the statistics Syed Hamid cited, may I ask how many Indian lawyers and doctors got their degrees from Malaysian public universities?

    And secondly, how many had their education paid for by the state?

  56. Crae Gveirs says:

    waishhnnavi waytha moorthy and 11 others have been arrested as she fulfilled her task of handing over a Deepavali appeal to PM to seek the release of HINDRAF 5, RPK and all ISA detainees before Deepavali. They are remanded at Putrajaya Police Station. Please send sms messages to your friends to make way to Putrajaya Police Station to show support.

  57. Penang says:

    While I support Hindraf and hope that they will win the fight, I feel rather anxious in their use of little children in their protests.

    While I deplore the arrest of a little child, I really can’t blame the gov of tho, for it’s Hindraf who have put the children in a difficult position.

    Sometimes we need to say “Enough is enough” even to the people we wholeheartedly support.

  58. Jaihindraf says:

    Penang you can say what you want to the Indians they are not interested in your enough (and frankly not your support either). Sami vellu also said “Enough is enough” and he`s been saying it longer than you. Then he got enoughed.
    Terrorist Hamid Albar even banned them when he had enough.

  59. Jaihindraf says:

    Contacted on her handphone while waiting for police to record her statement, Shanti said the group had attempted to submit a handwritten letter calling on Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi to release all those detained under the Internal Security Act (ISA) .

    “The appeal letter (in Vwaishhnnavi’s handwriting) asked the prime minister to release her uncle, (and other Hindraf leaders as well as) RPK (blogger Raja Petra Kamaruddin, among other ISA detainees,” said Shanti.

    “She said that Deepavali would not mean anything to her and all Malaysians, if they are not released.”

    Shanti said the letter also included a invitation for Abdullah to attend the family’s ‘open house’ in conjunction with Deepavali.

    “(Vwaishhnnavi) wrote that she would be waiting with flowers and cakes,” she added.
    __________________________________________________________________

    And that spurred the terrorist UMNO into action to arrest the indians.

  60. Jaihindraf says:

    Contacted on her handphone while waiting for police to record her statement, Shanti said the group had attempted to submit a handwritten letter calling on Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi to release all those detained under the Internal Security Act (ISA) .

    “The appeal letter (in Vwaishhnnavi’s handwriting) asked the prime minister to release her uncle, (and other Hindraf leaders as well as) RPK , among other ISA detainees,” said Shanti.

    “She said that Deepavali would not mean anything to her and all Malaysians, if they are not released.”

    Shanti said the letter also included a invitation for Abdullah to attend the family’s ‘open house’ in conjunction with Deepavali.

    “(Vwaishhnnavi) wrote that she would be waiting with flowers and cakes,” she added.
    __________________________________________________________________

    And that spurred the terrorist UMNO into action to arrest the indians.

  61. Jaihindraf says:

    Hindu Council UK: Press Release on HINDRAF banning
    Submitted by admin on Thu, 23/10/2008 – 17:24

    PRESS RELEASE

    MALAYSIA GOVERNMENT BANS MINORITY HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANISATION

    The Hindu community has been suffering systemic persecution at the hand of the Muslim majority Malaysia. Laws have been passed to discriminate Hindus in jobs and other economic benefits which have been exclusively reserved for Muslims. Having silently suffered since independence for over 60 years, the community had decided to form a non political organisation in the name of Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) in order to raise a united minority voice.

    Over 80 Hindu temples including one over 100 years old MAHA MARIAMAN TEMPLE at Padang Jawa have been demolished under fake reasons. No alternative facilities were given to the community for their religious rights. The Hindu priests were beaten up and the statutes of Hindu deities were dishonoured.

    In November 2007 the community had decided to hold a demonstration in front of the British high Commission to hand over a petition demanding intervention of the British government acknowledging that it was the British who brought them to Malaysia under indentured labour policy.

    The Malaysian government had then banned the demonstration and had fired tear gas and water cannons at over 20 thousands demonstrators who had gathered there. They had arrested many of them but owing to the intervention of international media they had decided to let them go except, however, more than 100 were charged with fake criminal offences. They also arrested the five leaders of the Hindraf and charged them under draconian ISA law, which is detention without trial for anti-state activities.

    The Malaysian Government has also cancelled the passport of the chairman of Hindraf Mr. P Waytha Moorty who had come to the UK in order to draw attention for the plight of his community and have thus made Mr. Moorthy a stateless person without any passport.

    Recently the Malaysian government has declared the Hindraf as unlawful and has banned its human rights activities.

    Hindu Council UK severely condemns the actions of the Malaysian government and requests:
    1. That the ban on Hindraf is lifted and the Hindu minority community should be accorded with legitimate human rights.
    2. That the criminal cases against leaders of Hindraf should be withdrawn and the HINDRAF leaders released unconditionally.
    3. That the UK government as head of the commonwealth should prevail upon the Malaysian government to adhere to the charter of universal human rights and safeguard the interests of the Hindu minority.

    Suraj Sehgal
    Director
    Hindu Council UK
    22 October, 2008

  62. sita says:

    Penang has a much shorter history than India and so is in no position to offer advice on the fight for rights and the readiness to be exterminated for the cause.

  63. Penang says:

    Susan …

    I hate to say this, but some of the hindraf supporters are full of hate.

    Beware of this fact, Susan.

    Don’t let those hateful people ruin the wonderful change we are having/

    There will be ups and downs in everything, and the rocky road towards freedom in Malaysia would be long.

    Just don’t let hate ruin everything, Susan !

  64. wits0 says:

    Penang, please consider that there’s a difference between hate and anger. There can be usually just cause for anger but it takes persistent hatred to want to keep other people repressed and deprived.

  65. jkf says:

    Hindraf will be in Malaysia as long the BN rules

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