Several individuals and interested parties are really concerned about the recent Penang state government’s effort to introduce Wifi in the state. I’ve received many emails asking me to highligt their concerns. (Image)

One email from Chua says:

We are not against the wifi technologies but we have great concern it post harm to people, especially children and pregnant women,and we believe the wifi usage should not intrude into others’ right.

With so many studies to show the worries with wifi technology,we are really upset with the newly formed Penang state government for implementing the wireless@penang and WiMax@penang without proper consultation with Penang people or tell the truth behind the worries of many scientific studies.

CAP had issued the statement on the worries of the wifi and wimax,and we people here organising the NGOs and people to form an action committee to raise our worries and objection to the idea.We had found ample studies to substantiate our worries(pls refer to summarise version attahcment ).I hope you can do something for poor people like us in Penang that are confronting a establishment to voice our concern.

My friend Siew Hwa has been equally concerned as well, forwarding me many reports which highlight the negative effects Wifi has on health. The Wifi issue has also become a big concern to alternative doctors and healers in Penang.

Many of the concerns have also been reported by Anil Netto in his blog “Wifi health risk: Yes or No?”, Wifi health risks” and “More concern about Wifi radiation“.

To be fair Jeff Ooi, who is also chief staff of Penang, has replied to their concerns in an email:

Thanks for the info.

All the anecdotal reports about Radio Frequency Radiation (RFR) and effects of Electromagnetic Field (EMF) aside, we have been advised on the authoritative reports by World Health Organisation (WHO), the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE) — which set the standards for WiFi (IEEE 802.11x) and WiMAX (IEEE 802.16e) — and the International Commission on Non-Ionising Radiation Protection (ICNIRP), which include relevant published research papers.

Results of these studies, to date, give no consistent or convincing evidence of a causal relation between Radio Frequency (RF) exposure and any adverse health effect.

We also consulted MCMC, the local industry regulator, that pointed us to their adherence to Safety Code 6 of Health Canada which covers RF exposure compliance of Radiocommunication Apparatus for all frequency bands. The WiFi and WiMAX apparatus allowed and being used in Malaysia are within the guidelines.

Hope that clears the doubt.

Best regards
Jeff Ooi

I guess those who are still not satisfied will be seeing Jeff about this soon.

98 responses »

  1. Ex-Malaysian says:

    I am just wondering what wrong with people in penang….making the island fully wifi is a great thing to do….I am surprise this govt manage to get this done with private sector help…..Singapore is has the wifi everywhere…thats the way to move forward…The negative things are coming from BN people or linked to them…they just jeolous what penang has done…I am so proud of the state govt…keep it up of the good work…

  2. Richard Loh says:

    Very funny indeed. I just wonder why are there still motor vehicles roaming in our country and worldwide as well as more factories are being built.

    Is it not that there are also proof of health hazard and the ozone layer problem being cause by smoke emission from the motor vehicles, factories and many kind of man made machines?

    I think these are more dangerous than the wi-fi effect and yet nobody including the NGOs, Civil Societies or CAP are calling to stop the use of motor vehicles and close down all factories. We should go back to walking on foot and doing barter trading by producing your own products using your two hands without using any mechanical help.

    Come on people, there is always a risk to take especially when you want to make advancement in life. You cannot be a hypocrite to criticise one thing and not the other which also have the same kind of problem.

  3. Brandon says:

    Study has shown the exposure to mobile phone radiation for 20min equals to the 1year of wifi.

    To those overly paranoid people who are so afraid of wifi, let me propose this….

    Stop using your mobile phone for 20min today, and you get to use wifi for FREE for 1 year, without any incremental health impact. Repeat the same thing every year, and you get FREE wifi for a Lifetime. Of course, this applies to Penang only:-) What a great deal!!! We’re paying about RM80-100/mth to TMNet Streamyx, so you do the math. And you can keep blogging away in forums like this for free!!

    So please be practical. Like it or not, even if the radiation threat is real, wifi is not the one to go after. You’ll have to throw away the mobile phones, your microwave ovens, your TVs, FM radio etc etc first.

    Meanwhile, great job CM Lim GE!! Please keep up the good work in Penang.

    Also to Ex-Malaysian’s comment…..I am sure majority of Penangnites support this implementation. So, nothing is wrong with the Penang people…just like in any vibrant healthy society, there will always be people looking at a glass half empty vs half full.

  4. Hoyohoyo says:

    To be fair…

    Wifi emits much weaker radio or microwave than the cellphone that usually stays in most Malaysian people’s pocket…

    In terms of distance between you and a wifi device, it should be at least 2 to 4 times further than you and a cellphone…

    Ban the cellphone!

  5. stk says:

    I think those people are so concern about their health,what about banning all the cars and buses from the road because of carbon monoxide,ban the handphone because of RF,ban those TV because of radiation & microwavr oven,ban those telephone because it depend on telekom tower,ban,ban,ban and better still stay in the jungle.My goodness.
    There is no concrete prove about the wifi except just because some europeans makes some noise,we should follow.The global warming,should, we stop using cars,stop using air cons and better still don’t use electricity as it generates from generator using fossil fuels.

  6. petestop says:

    As an engineer who works on WiFi, I think the public are unduly worried for nothing.

    Please don’t listen to sensationalisation of some wacky press like “the Aliens have invaded”.

    802.11x (a,b,g,n) are strictly regulated in terms of radio frequencies generated and the power emitted, and all WiFi devices have to go for strict certification tests before they can be sold in the market.

    You probably get more radiation from your handphone (that you put close to your head) then from WiFi.

  7. The Penquin says:

    Those who are afraid of Wi Fi or Wi Max ‘rays’ should consider moving to smaller towns where the advent of such technology is slow. In think in KL there are already much of these ‘rays’….the difference being we need to pay to use them and I am not getting value with my money ! Now FREE also there are people complaining. Why do Malaysians like to make everything an issue ??

  8. lucia says:

    yeah i agree with many of those above who said nothing to worry about. when i read in anil’s blog about people worrying about the free wi-fi i also get irritated. as ex malaysian said, we should be thankful for the state government in trying to make penang full wi-fi, why made so much noise. the risk is minimal, and like what the others said, if yo worry so much about full wi fi, then you’d better stop using your handphone too and campaign for all to stop using handphone… or stop using your microwave, ets.

    so come on, penangitites (i’m one too and very proud) be realistic. don’t oppose things just for the sake of opposing.

  9. Menyalak-er says:

    No complaints about wifi in Penang. Go suckle some melaminized milk from China doll then we’ll talk… O.k?

  10. ciltra says:

    Heh!! you crabs out there(still remember the story of the 3 crabs)dont please drag us crabs who want to climb out of the hole,lah.We in Perak are waiting when we will have a windfall like the penangist.Lucky devils you ,you have such a far thinking CM in your state,lah.Dear YB,can we all migrate to your state,kah?Let the sour grapes moan and groan,wait and see,they will be the first ones jumping into the wagon when the wifi is implemented!!!!!!!!!!

  11. whispering9 says:

    It is people who perceptually complain over little things on big channels that eventually turn whatever viable alternative into another BN. Sigh…I always have problem with people who ask me to stop eating chicken. And now people saying that free wifi is bad. Go wear a muffle or something. There are more things out there which can kill you and free wifi is the least of them all.

  12. Richard Loh says:

    Susan,

    Am I being banned from posting. I had posted a comment earlier than the others but it did not show up.

  13. rondonski says:

    I have a solution to those that oppose the wifi coverage for the State of Penang. Wear tin foil hats. They are protective helmets in the same way as those who ride bikes wear them for protection from road falls. Better than getting your brains frazzled, right?
    You may look foolish at first, but you’ll live longer. And don’t worry what other people say. You are already better than those that don’t wear tin foil hats cos’ you’ll have longer lives. And you won’t have to worry about smoke emissions from cars, too, cos’ you’ll most probably also invest in a gas mask which you wear when you walk outside your home. Why not? You already worry so much about living a longer life, why not go all the way? I’m sure you’re already planning to move to the mountains in the Endau Rompin. No wifi there. No cars to worry about exhaust fumes. No cell phone waves, too. You can laugh at all those like us who have shorter, but more meaningful lives. Your life won’t mean much as you’ll be living close to nature but you surely will live to a ripe old age, contributing nothing to mankind.
    You probably should not have children, too, cos’ they’ll be born into a world of wifi, cell phones, exhausts, CFC infested air, etc. Almost everything that we experience today shortens our lives a little. It adds up. Even the processed food that we eat.
    But you ‘wifi opposers’ are so noble! You’d give up everything to never have wifi in your lives. I’m sure you communicate with your friends using smoke signals. You’d never use a cell phone cos’ it will frazzle your pea sized brain. And you walk to work, too, never contributing to the exhaust fumes that kill.
    If you care to open a club for ‘Anti Wifi’, let me know. I have 2 friends who want to join. They’re both 45 years old, single, jobless and still live with their parents who doesn’t own a TV set.

  14. Peter Sng says:

    Ex-Malaysian is RIGHT. In Singapore the govt provide FREE Wi Fi at 512kbps for 3 years until Dec 2009. Knowing Singapore, you can sure that it is indeed SAFE. Penangites should be grateful to the PR Govt for this initiative.

    Just look at S Korea; they are the most wired nation in the world with ultra speed broadband connectivity.

  15. wandererAUS says:

    Human nature, just like to split hair on every issue. There are always two sides to a coin. In developed countries, they have accessed this usage and found, this development, the positive out weighs the negative side of thing.

  16. sloone says:

    Richard, you are not banned. Your comment went to spam. Sorry🙂

  17. Thong says:

    Think it is too premature to jump to conclusion since
    wifi have not been really around that long yet.

    Perhaps CAP might want to comment on effects of radio or
    TV signals since this are around much longer. Sometimes
    we tend to believe some so called experts without really having
    avail ourselves to what could possibly be real or unfounded.

    Upside is that we folks are the beneficiary communication wise.
    Personally I think this is a very good initiative on the state govt.

  18. WW says:

    Penangites just like to be the opposition.🙂

  19. Pakshah says:

    Even if Wi-Fi rays dont kill us yet, we are already dying slowly from air pollution and other toxic abuses. Live and let live lah.
    Thanks LGE for the priviledge.

  20. wits0 says:

    Remembering some of those things that CAP has complained about over more than 2 decades, one doubt if anyone really can live following much of its recommended alternatives.

    This is not to say that one denigrates the good intention of CAP. It is easily the most active one among its contemporaries in other States. However one should also not forget the cryptic-mystical nature of a graffiti found in NY Subway, “Life is a terminal disease!” Someone might see the need to point this out to CAP too, sometimes.

    At this point in time Ultra Sound is accepted and considered a 100% safe form of diagnosis. Has CAP confirmed that 100%?

    There was a very old old joke about a president of CAP whose wife went around heavily lipsticked while CAP railed against lipsticks and their toxic nature etc.

    Hey, I would sure like some WiFi free, man, but unfortunately I don’t live there! 😦

  21. storm62 says:

    i feel that the Wifi is not as harmful as the 24 hours curry gravy served by certain restaurants in Penang and all over the country.

  22. Yili says:

    “We are not against the wifi technologies but we have great concern it post harm to people, especially children and pregnant women,and we believe the wifi usage should not intrude into others’ right.”

    Ban smoking immediately. Smoking causes cancer, this is an all known fact, and the smoke also intrude into others’ right.

  23. whyfi says:

    Come to Kuching, Sibu, Bintulu, Miri (Sarawak), we also have wifi everywhere.
    So far so good for Sarawakian, Singaporean (and maybe Japanese..) – nobody killed by being wified. Haha.

  24. storm62 says:

    thank you YB Lim Guan Eng for helping me to save,

    1 – rm1,200 a year from using my streamyx & tm line.
    2 – to improve my english & bahasa melayu from reading the blogs.
    3 – save rm1,200 a year from eating out at the 24hrs curry rice restaurants.
    (as i was engrossed with reading susan and RPK’s blog & also the rest)

    syabas to PR govt. for helping me to save rm2,400.00 a year.

  25. Dave says:

    i’m just wondering….
    who would benefit the most from banning wi-fi.

    just follow the gravy train.. hehe
    mayb all of us should go back to agriculture and shitting in buckets so that we can use the shit as fertilizer.

    hey CAP… cap it la.. nonsense… you want to talk about evidence..? go ban mobile phones.. and good luck with that before you talk about banning wi-fi.

  26. wits0 says:

    “1 – rm1,200 a year from using my streamyx & tm line.” – Storm62

    It’s more like rm 1,250+, including everything.

    and it’s too often snail SLOW as well. Overpricing is the traditionally established and persistent Bolehland’s biz strategy!

  27. Menyalak-er says:

    Yep Yili, ban cars and bullockcarts – they infringe on our right of way and they are fatal when crossed!
    Ban this, ban that and you’ll fall backwards into the stone ages! At least our ancestors could see the benefit of fire which burns, in case anyone hasn’t noticed… Now that’s radiation – infrared.

  28. wits0 says:

    Yilli : “Smoking causes cancer…”

    Has this been absolutely proven because it hasn’t even been established that this has the same effect on every person? In its name and purportedly for your own good, Dopey is killing the tobacco industry so as to line his cronies’ pockets with unholy revenues….giving rise to mass smuggling in of cheaper Indon cigarettes, something that promotes greater corruption from the Custom’s end. The reported seizures made must be made to show that they aren’t actually sleeping on the job. Very lucrative for the holier-than-thou people right from the very top.

  29. Jed Yoong says:

    The CAP…how can they not complain about every other govt decision?
    But were they consulted?
    Good post, gal.😉

  30. For a Better Future says:

    I would like to apologize in advance for anything written that may be factually wrong as I’m no expert in IT or consumer right literate. If so, pls do correct me.

    You know what? I say this is all a ploy to get competition out. To make sure that provider like WiMax will not have the chance to expand and break the chain of monopoly controlled by you know who. For once, I have never heard of CAP complaining about other more important issues (like the unfair streamyx services) and now they decided to act? For what? Did you see anyone explode or die because of this? Tell you what, CAP, I would rather get a cancer from wifi than to die from heart attack and possibly cancer from the radioactive wave due to overuse of handphone just trying to reason with the current, not so reliable, so call scream and mix provider. Thank you.

  31. bayi says:

    If the People in Penang are worried about the side effects of island-wide wifi, let me say that the people in KL/PJ would be more than prepared to sacrifice themselves to these “side effects”. Bring the free wifi to KL/PJ!!!🙂

  32. Khairy Kemulutin says:

    Fark, I have wireless lan in my house. The wave spectrum is already around, technology organize it to transfer data. Where do you think the frequency came from? From Satan? From sardine can? It is there lah, you don’t see it.

    Parklah

  33. stk says:

    >>>One email from Chua says:

    We are not against the wifi technologies but we have great concern it post harm to people, especially children and pregnant women,and we believe the wifi usage should not intrude into others’ right.

    With so many studies to show the worries with wifi technology,we are really upset with the newly formed Penang state government for implementing the wireless@penang and WiMax@penang without proper consultation with Penang people or tell the truth behind the worries of many scientific studies.<<

    Chua,do you use a handphone?own a TV ? drive a car ? a fix line phone ? own a microwave ? use a PC ? I’m sure you have aleast one of the above.Do the CM of Penang to consult you weather you are safe to use the above? I think you should stay in a deep cave in Timbuktu or deep into the Amazon so not to expose so call “dangerous RF of wiFi “to protect your children and pregnant women.Opps I forgot the Hospital also used “ultra sound device”to scan unborn child,the CAP also mention before ,that ultra sound device is dangerous to the unborn child ?????

  34. Khairy Kemulutin says:

    Wifi don’t kill you ….
    a. waiting in line in the immigration will
    b. seeing indian temples demolish and pointing fingers will cause heart attack.
    c. seing UMNO leaders jostling for PM post leaving the country in distress will
    d. getting a summon while runing into a shop to grap a drink will
    f. government spending on useless projects will.
    g. waving the Keris in UMNO AGM will
    h. 9 As student who cannot get a scholarship will
    i. straight As students who cannot do medicine will.
    i. highways which cracks after spending millions will
    j. police creating roadblocks causing jams unnecessary will.
    k. police putting someone into ISA and say it is for their protection will.

    fark… there are so many serious ones besides wifi. Wifi is good like radio, TV, telephone, …

  35. wira says:

    I am awaiting YAB’s WiFi signal to cover my home so that I can ask TMnet to take a hike for rendering sub standard service at an exorbitant price !

  36. Menyalak-er says:

    Aiya, stk (19:33), yes-la that fellow must hide in a very deep salt mine, then sure kena thorium gas radiation.
    You know what guys/gals, we should ‘ban’ (hahaha, thought i’ll never use the word), housing on ex-tin mine areas mah… high exposure to ‘toxic’ waste, eg monazite, which is mildly radioactive etc. Then housing in ex-estates, cos got termites. But most of all Satan from the sardine can which Khairy (19:28) pointed out becos got mercury mah…
    I seriously think that CAP should put on their ‘french-caps’ before they start rambling about ‘etheral’ stuff-pseudo scientists (Oh, Susan did say ‘alternative’ something?) that they are.

  37. Kean says:

    You Penang people always talk about becoming 1st class citizen, want to rival Singapore yet what kind of mentality is this?? WiFi will post harm to people, especially children and pregnant women ?? MY GOD, your hand phone and 2nd hand smoke will kill you faster then WiFi !! There were tons of report out there stating 2nd hand smoke causes cancer yet why NO ONE IN THIS WORLD BAN CIGARETTE ??

    Apa itu CAP and NGO ?? You really think they care about your welfare ?? They only care for their own pocket as you MUST know 99% NGOs in Malaysia belong to Barisan Najis. If the Consumers Association of Penang care about you, they would have put more effort on the price hike issue and the China’s milk product scandal.

    Use your brain, think !! When free WiFi kick start in Penang, who is the one get affected the most ?? TELEKOM !! Who is the main share holder in Telekom ?? UMNO’s CRONIES !! So, who is the one causing all this trouble now ?? UMNO’s cronies la, deng !!

    This scenario is also happening in Europe too !! When WiFi kick start, many of their ISP companies which run on wire will get affected. Those companies belongs to who ?? Guess you don’t need for me to tell you the story again, do you ?? If these European Government cares about their citizen so much, how come NONE of them ban CIGARETTE ??

    Susan, if these Penang people are afraid of WiFi, please send a message to YB Lim and bring this free stuff to Selangor. We, the Selangorean had been paying for this WiFi service for quite sometimes. Do you see us dying from the so call ‘kabus WiFi’ ?? I don’t mind dying if I get use WiFi for FREE !!

  38. caravanserai says:

    You want change
    Yet afraid to embrace it
    What people want?
    Scared of death already?

    Death is a journey
    It is another world to correct your mistakes
    So you have a time to enjoy the benefits
    Learn the good and the bad maybe the ugly too
    When you go, you know you have the experience

    Every time when the night falls
    What you think it will happen?
    Good over evil?
    You must be dreaming

    Technologies must come
    You love it or you hate it
    Don’t deny others have a go
    If you think about hazardous exposure
    Stop and look around yourself

    Do I need to numerate it?
    Only anything in excessive uses
    It benefits nothing in the end
    Even sleeping too much
    It will cause you dearly

    Go embrace Wifi
    No need to fight
    Listen we will die
    On the day fixed for us
    So why worry?
    Enjoy your life
    Don’t get dizzy with it

  39. wits0 says:

    “many scientific studies” is the keyword. Believers in Global Warming/Climate Change will believe in their selective “scientific studies”, while disbelievers will refer to their “scientific studies” to bolster their position.

    I remember having to man my station (unpaid)on the night when 1999 ended and 2000 began because of the orders from the top over the fear of a worldwide power meltdown caused by the non existent Millennium Bug which was quite a scam and well and continuously promoted beforehand – the interests of some opportunistic IT people who made money from that Doomsday tactic, knowing very well that it tends to sell.

    We have many crooks and politics intermingled with science and it isn’t so clear cut as the naive do-gooders would like things to be and these end up duped into a fake position to take. One that appears so absolutely cocksure sound from incessant populist promotion via repetitive assertions.

  40. TMNUT Cracker says:

    The government want to build nuclear plant (Hmmm since CAP didn’t say anything, probably its pollution free and safer than the mythical radioactive wifi wave *I’m moving my butterfly fingers). The government want to wipe out the ancestral forest, evict orang asli out, build billion dollar Bakun DAmmmmm, cause noise pollution because streamyx subscribers moan and scream throughout the year……so on so on. Hmmm…. to summarize, this wifi thing must be a VERY serious matter. Maybe the government will allocate another millions of ringgit to, sub-contract to Singapore Researcher, to study the harmful effect. No need to spend for nuclear effect and global warming. NAH!

  41. machitam says:

    i think this issue WIFI radiation harmful exposure is overzealous. we expose to radiation in our everyday life. in fact, even at home there exist radiation from TV, micowaves oven, crt monitors, mobile phone, flourescent lightings and even concrete structures. outside radiation comes from sunlight, telecommunication transmission etc.
    the risk of RF radiation can also comes from electronics and electrical equipment such as electric heaters, power supply unit and the list can go on.

    as mentioned by Jeff, i agreed with his info. all electrical and electronic equipmemt manufacturers must adhere to the electrical code i.e IEEE or dept of Occupational safety and Health or DOSH. DOSH also refer to IEEE or AIEE which have over 100 yrs experience on this. All must be secured for any risk of harmful radiation. the risk is minimise to the extend that it will not pose a danger to the environment and health of the people.

    Thus all these worries and concerns are unfounded

  42. gary yap says:

    Dear Susan,

    please tell your reader, Manjung Coal Power Plant in Perak pouring millions of ton of toxic waste into the sea and emitting ton and ton of micro particles of coal ash into the atmosphere and no NGO say a damn thing about it. Believe me burning 6 million ton of toxic coal is far far harmful to health then a few nano gram of radio wave

  43. Menyalak-er says:

    Uh, mac (20:18), forgive me, but i don’t quite trust DOSH/SIRIM yet oso.
    The reason is that these guys don’t really do the the proper ‘on hands’ inspection and testing, ‘cos they only want to check a copy of manufacturers licencing from the Int. recognition bodies. Experienced it myself.

  44. Khairy Kemulutin says:

    I once talk to an expert on nuclear plant generating electricity from America and it goes on like this…

    Me: Mr. Wong, are you a Malaysia?
    Mr. Wong: Yes.

    Me: Why did you work in America?
    Wong: There is no nuclear plants in Malaysialah.

    Me: What do you do in America?
    Wong: I am a probabilistic safety officer and all plants in America needs my approval b4 operations.

    Me: Wow.

    Me: Can Malaysia operates a nuclear plant?
    Wong: Not so soon…eh.. because we don’t have the correct personnels.. You see..in America all those operators are ex navy, military, seals pesonnels.. our people not yet…maybe 30 years from now when they are more educated and disciplined.

    There you go…

    Nuclear plant.. no joke lah. I stay far away from it if there is a plant in Malaysia. Maybe cabut first. otherwise sure accident onelah.

  45. TMNUT Cracker says:

    Hmmmm here’s a suggestion. Can the ACA investigate the one who started this whole incident of harmful wifi and blow it out of proportion to make sure that he/she is not being pushed or funded in any way that can lead to a halt in the development of the country. Seriously. If there is No malicious intend after the investigation (ISA them to get info and protect them from the civilised ones), then the people may find them genuinely sincere and concern for the welfare others. This is bolehland remember.

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  47. jeff says:

    Wi-Fi is a technology for advance country and forward thinking society, it is not for those sickos full of wacko idea in CAP since they are worry about electromagnetic radiation…they should consider just move over to Kelantan.

  48. ben says:

    If these people are really concern then they better start complaining to MCMC about mobile phone. Every sq in of Penang or for that matter most part of Malaysia is exposed to radio frequency radiation and electro magnetic radiation. Everywhere, where you have mobile phone signal means that the existence of this radiation. Then we should go back to our old ways. Including no radio, tv, no hp, etc because those RF radiation also!

    Penangites are lucky to have 100% discount internet access. If not happy, save taxpayers money lo!

  49. Brandon says:

    Kean,
    I don’t agree with CAP and I’m from Penang. I’m sure most Penangnites don’t agree with CAP and are eagerly waiting for the implementation of the free wifi iniitiative.

    So, what’s the deal with the Penang people bashing ?

    CAP is just an organization and does not represent Penang people.

    So, you should just stick to the topic here and don’t discredit yourself by being making stereotypical judgements.

  50. Brandon says:

    slight correction…

    CAP is just an organization based in Penang, but does not necessarily represent all the Penang people. In fact, I often disagree with their counter-progressive views.

  51. machitam says:

    menyalak-er, i agree that there are hanky panky almost everywhere. but there are international standard and convention codes in place. puting politics aside, globalisation have been adopted by many country.

    my focus is safety standard of radiation risks. wifi radiation exposure issue hv been discussed long before penang story. irresponsible people hv been playing with this issues since it inception. they would create this “myth” and blowout the issues. just like the computer virus. maybe it is an act of economic sabotage or they can get the “kick” out of it.

    alas, not to worry. i reckon that the company that is going to setup this wifi thing should have the technology.

  52. Menyalak-er says:

    Copy that mac, i think you may be quite right to say ‘economic’ sabo.
    Actually, i know that those penang chaps eg ex-HP, Agilent etc. are pretty good in any Global competitive scale. Cutting edge stuff! What is in their heads is worth investing in, instead of that white elephant we call CyberNuts/Jaya – MMSC&MCMC.
    Our Feds. aren’t interested to give them a headstart, or else they would have wifi’ed the whole country in a matter of 2-3 yrs. Instead we got this little bit here, and little bit there, and as wits said its all a scam of garguantan propotions!
    Btw, Brandon(21:50), i think we need more people like you to kick up a ruckus.

  53. Brandon says:

    I also posted my opinion in Malaysiakini and Star on this topic, and CAP obviously isn’t too happy with it🙂.

    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/90172

  54. Menyalak-er says:

    Hang CAP, Brandon – you said an honest well thought out piece. You must be one of the chaps i mentioned above, i.e. cutting edge…
    They will take umbrage at anything they find mildly critical of them; while they can rain hellfire and damnation on anybody/thing who dare raise their ‘consumptive’ ire, via msm. There are too many instances when their silence is shattering…
    Consumer bodies should look at bigger issues like rip-offs, unfair trade practices, tainted consumer goods etc., not give an opinion on nebulous speculations. What do they know of the etiology of an acoustic neuroblastoma?

  55. Brandon says:

    Thanks Menyalak-er. I do work in one of the MNCs in Penang, although I wouldn’t consider myself “cutting edge” by any means….🙂

  56. Kah Seng says:

    I am in favor of WiFi.

    But hey people, let the other side talk and protest. Don’t get too personal and disparage them. They are against an “even bake” of babies and the lack of liberty to get away from it all (telling them to go to kampong is not really a fair choice).

    I agree that CAP is usually so sensational that it lacks credibility. Still we are lucky to have these critics such as CAP and Chua – even if we think they are unrealistic.

    Remember that a lot more of us do agree that cellular tech can hurt people, especially under the base station and when used near the ear for children.

    Yet governments all over the developing world are complicit to the building of cellular base stations above residential houses, especially houses rented by poorer families.

    How can those people who don’t trust the governments for their cellular regulation trust the same governments on more RF technology regulation?

    There is another issue of cost. There is no way WiFi is truly free.

    * What are the hidden financial costs?
    * Who pays for it? For how long?
    * Which part of tax is used, through what channel?
    * Who fund the upfront, upgrade, operation, bandwidth …?
    * Will gov be paying too much or too little (quality problem)?
    * Can the resource last?
    * How do we know we are getting the best contractors and services?
    * Will we the public see the plan, proposal, criticism, contract (CAT)?

    The response by Jeff Ooi is measured and appropriate. But the MalaysiaKini report of CM LGE’s harsh response is not a good sign of a government that can take questioning and criticism.

  57. Jt says:

    Some people will just complain about anything and everything. Perpetual moaners! They should just shut up and thank their lucky stars that LGE is CM of Penang and Jeff Ooi is overseeing this Wifi project. Makes me want to go back to Penang.

  58. BadEgg says:

    OK OK, It seems to me there’s some who oppose and there’s some who pro wifi. Here’s a solution, why don’t the CAP conduct a research say in Paris since they have wide wifi connectivity and see how the country seem to coop with it. Also I suggest them to stop watching too many Mythbuster in Discovery Channel. Depending on the result which I bet will shut them up forever, if there is harm then we could start reverting back to the age where we use 2 cups and a string as communication device. Also, we will propose TMnut to shut their service, sue them and everybody will be happy. Else, CAP better shut their pipe hole.

    Another thing, regarding the hidden financial to fund the free wifi… think about it this way. At least it’s still much much better than TMnut which until now I’m still figuring out where and what our subscription money is being used for. The current government may have hidden agenda but at least is better and definitely a whole lot smarter than the monkeys of BN.

  59. BadEgg says:

    Also think about it this way. U all know that TMnut has been complaining and making excuses about p2p users hogging all bandwidth. For those who only want to surf, this free wifi may be good for you since I bet that the port for downloading will be capped meaning no more hogging! Even if it’s lousy at least it’s free following the equivalent trade law. Heavy downloaders in turn will benefit since undoubtedly a large portion of users will unsubscribe streamyx, meaning more bandwidth to use. The only one who will probably suffer will be the streamyx provider which is good for me to imagine until they can at least start farting and come up with a better customer service. Am I right?

  60. temenggong says:

    Please don’t listen to wacky reports. CAP should produce medical reports to back their claims. Otherwise they should cap it.

    The whole of San Francisco-Bay Area is WiFi area.

  61. storm62 says:

    only a handfull of UMNO cronies who cry foul in Penang when LGE launch the free Wifi project recently.

    majority of the Penang people, especially students and those of higher learnings and middle aged/young professionals applaud to the CM’s call.

    those “katak(s) dibawah tempurung” of UMNO would prefer the huge transmission anteana near their homes and buildings so to collect rentals from service providers. these people lives with Telekom and the rest of the ISP’s.

    penang people have 1st class mentality but 3rd class facilties.

    well done LGE, Jeff Ooi and PR’s leadership!!!

  62. Johnny Chiam says:

    If the people of Penang do not want WiFi because of the issue of radiation, we would be most grateful if CM Lim GE would give it to us in Sabah. The people in Sabah would love you because connection in many places here are still very poor.
    Because of your government in leading the way in giving free water and free electricity, two days ago, our SESB is giving free electricity for those who use less then RM20 per month. Well Done! CM Lim GE for showing the way in treating their low income people with compassion.

  63. goodness says:

    Why are people so paranoid on Wifi/Wimax claiming health concerns when they are so much more at risk from handphone radiation, tv radiation, cigarette smoke.

    I salute the Penang Government in bringing Penang forward like most advanced cities and highly anticipate the time i could use free internet and terminate my lousy streamyx connection.

  64. better be safe than sorry.

    i know many old ppl in my house complaining headache during sleep when I activate my wifi 24 hrs. it’s true wifi is hazardous (just like cigarettes, when there is no solid scientific evidence to show this!) , what’s more penang to have it for whole island, this is violating minority rights against the plan….

  65. Kah Seng says:

    I think the initial protestors were not UMNO cronies. I think they are in the camp of techno phobics. Some have had bad experience with government lax regulation of cellular base station on residential houses.

    I’ve been observing CAP’s tortuous reasoning …

    If you give money to CAP to go to Paris, I don’t see why they would refuse a nice trip there.

    Seriously, about a year ago, CAP came out against lowering rice import tariff! That was simply crazy. Sometimes I think CAP has lost its roots and meaning for existence.

    Imagine a consumer association protesting against the welfare of the consumers!
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/68618

    Now that rice price has gone through the roof and that we have to beg Thailand to sell us more rice, it looks simply crazy.

    Sorry, a bit off topic. The point is CAP has a serious credibility and probably governance problem. It could have done better. CAP needs to wake up to a widespread distrust of its protectionist, over-conservative, reactionary, techno-phobic world views.

    Nevertheless, CAP has raised other worthy alarms, such as some of these issue that many of us can benefit from:

    Check all China food products
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/90243

    Protect public from hazardous products
    Consumers Association of Penang (CAP) refers to the recent report in the press of a lady who suffered burns on her arms when handling her gas stove….
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/89423

    FMB – classic case of wolf in sheep’s clothing
    Many consumers who have lodged banking complaints with the Financial Mediation Bureau (FMB) have voiced their disappointment with it. The FMB was launched…
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/87590

    Unjustified blacklisting by Ctos
    Banks, financial institutions and service providers have now found a novel method of recovering debts from customers. In cases where the harassment of…
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/86844

    Sex lure for teens at cybercafes
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/85756

    Let students run their own coffee joints instead
    CAP urges the Higher Education Ministry to review and recall its decision to allow franchise cafés like Starbucks, Kopitiam and Dunkin Donuts to…
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/85448

    Get rid of unhealthy food in schools
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/85175

    Polycarbonate containers a health hazard
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/84664

    Penang ferry system has to be restructured
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/82598

    Discounted foodstuff must be safe to eat
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/81501

    Insurance company overcharges by RM3,500
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/81168

    ‘Islamic’ housing loan rip-off
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/80692

    Do more to stop identity theft of landowners
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/76187

    No, not another two dams in Sarawak
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/73450

  66. nosense says:

    “i know many old ppl in my house complaining headache during sleep when I activate my wifi 24 hrs.”

    So why you make the old people in your house suffer?

  67. whispering9 says:

    I don’t know whether I am qualified as old ppl. When my son has his wifi on 7-24hrs, I get headache from the bom-bom-bang when he plays online games and do those crazy cyber finger dancing gig. Just in case, you are not aware of your own actions, don’t blame the wifi for any inconsideration you might have caused; even clicking on the keyboard at dead night can disturb our sleep.

  68. wits0 says:

    “i know many old ppl in my house complaining headache during sleep when I activate my wifi 24 hrs.”

    I’m not aware that receiving WiFi itself generate such a back radiation of such even greater irritating magnitude!!?? Where’s the Scientific studies so associated?

    I’m, of course, aware that the position of anyone using a radio or TV receiver can be detected from the old days from triangulation.

  69. kittykat46 says:

    Any form of high frequency electromagnetic radiation carries a potential health risk. Its true.

    But I’ve got news for the folks concerned. Every single inch of urban territory in Malaysia, definitely Penang included, has been blanketed by man-made high frequency radiation for nearly 20 years now. They are called mobile phone signals.

    You know, the one where you hold the radio transmitter right next to your brain and talk away for hours, and possibly couldn’t live without ?

    And it doesn’t matter if you don’t use hand phones – the radiation is everywhere, unless you live outside of the telco coverage.
    And the Wi-Fi signal is many times weaker than cell phone signals, and does anybody ever hold their notebook right next to their brain ?

  70. kittykat46 says:

    I love the tale , or maybe its a true story, of the activist who spoke earnestly to Lim Guan Eng about his concerns regarding Wi-Fi radiation. At the end of the conversation, he gave Sdr. Lim his hand phone contact number.
    Lim told him , “By the way if you just spoke to me using your handphone, your radiation exposure is about 10 times what you will likely get with Wi-Fi”.

    Just to put things in perspective.

  71. wits0 says:

    Since, Kittykat, the radiation is already everywhere, it becomes quite an interesting spin to the tale when it implies that the apparatus which you use somehow pose a greater hazard from its own more powerful source of generated radiation! D H/P is more powerful than d trnsmission tower, eh? Ditto your PC?

  72. kittykat46 says:

    Hi wits0,
    The H/P set is a relatively weak transmitter, but a person holds it right next to his skull for a significant amount of time, which means his brain is absorbing a fair bit of the radiation – about 30% of it, if you work out the transmission angles.

    Mobile phone base towers are a lot more powerful, but the inverse square law operates. I do have concerns for those who live right underneath one of those towers.

    Wi Fi signals are a lot weaker than the cell phone signal.
    I have to go back to check my PC specs for the strength of its wireless output. Not sure about its power vs. an average hand phone set. But I don’t think any sensible person holds a PC next to his head, so the risk is lower.

  73. Anonymous says:

    Anonymous said…

    WiMax is better then WiFi because of greater coverage over long distances any…..

    Leave BN, all Component Parties with a conscience must leave the Evil Master Oppressor UMNO for good ok??? Let them, the UMNO clowns settle the horse trading between Flip Flop and C4 ok???

    Come October 2008 there is nothing left but the Opposition Leader’s Post to Hand Over from Flip Flop to C4 ok???

    There should be no peace for Botak if the ISA detainees are not released and the oppressive draconian law is not abolished because such injustices are not tolerated and thus create great discontentment in this modern society. One day Botak and his cohorts should be made to eat their own medicine for the injustices they have committed against the detainees especially RPK, our Brave Hero no doubts.

    We call upon all the Rakyats of Malaysia to sign a Petition to be sent to the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong to release RPK from his detention under ISA because there is a hidden agenda of a conspiracy of using his detention to silence him so that he could not further release more evidences against the real C4 murderers of Altantuya because all the accused were all fall guys of the real murderers because they all did not have a real & logical motive to murder the Mongolian Lady.

    THE NEW DAWN OF MALAYSIA HAS COME & THE FIRST THING IS TO ALLOW APPEALS & THEN RELEASE ALL ISA DETAINEES, ABOLISH ISA, OSA, SEDITION OR WHATEVER ACTS THAT COULD BE EXPLOITED AND MADE PREJUDICIAL AND OPPRESSIVE TO THE VOICE OF DISSENT FROM ALL THE RAKYATS.

    It is very easy to generate Police Reports against DSAI by using Penang Mamak Umno’s 25 Members headed by Wan Abidin Zain, who claimed to be non-partisan, using their uneasiness that most Penangites will now be boycotting Nasi Kandar one more round???

    It is very Sad that the legacy of Malaysian Independence is reduced by this Moronic Flip Flop Coward into great disrepute and a laughing stock of the whole world and knowing very well that the UMNO Government has technically collapsed and they have lost locus standi to govern but yet he has decided to shamelessly still cling on to power via dubious means like hiding himself via using of the ISA and we cannot imagine that the Malaysia Moronic Flip Flop Coward has now stoop so low and using the Police Deputy IGP as his willing tools especially the Deputy IGP’s clearly taking side as the Police must be neutral and should be not politiking for him.

    The Coward Moronic Flip Flop Chicken dare not meet DSAI face to face to settle matters but chose hiding under the use of ISA and that is what you have as a disgraceful cowardice leader for UMNO.

    After 51 years MALAYSIA IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE but backwards because of the Oppression from the UMNO goons’ divide and rule fear tactics the Rakyats have matured & you must see all this coming because All The Rakyats of Malaysia are all fed-up & can no longer with-stand the hypocrisies, bullshits, lies and deceits of these UMNO Clowns now in Power ok??? What Oil Subsidies IS nothing but a hoax that the UMNO Government MAKE BELIEF THAT THERE IS AN OIL PRICE SUBSIDY TO THE PRICE OF FUEL BUT IN FACT THERE WERE NONE THIS IS BECAUSE MALAYSIA IS THE NET EXPORTER OF OIL THAT IS ONLY AFTER DEDUCTING DOMESTIC CONSUMPTION THE BALANCE IS EXPORTED TO EARN FOREIGN EXCHANGE. THESE LIARS MAKE US BELIEVE BY CONTINUOUS PROPAGANDA THAT THERE ARE OIL PRICE SUBSIDY BUT IN FACT THERE WERE NONE BECAUSE THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTUAL SALE LOCALLY AND THE PRICE THEY INTENDED TO SELL ABOARD IS AN OPPORTUNITY COST NOT PRICE SUBSIDY.

    We urge all BN Components & MPs with a conscience to do the necessary to make possible a New Malaysia for all Rakyats of Malaysia so that all our children and their children & their children’s children’s future will be safe and secured in the Country we all love and not be intimidated by those UMNO Clowns now in power with their oppressive & fear tactics and in the verge of making Malaysia a Police State if left unchecked otherwise. Save RPK as he is the midst of a conspiracy of the real murderers of Altantuya to silence him for good, instead of being C4ed he could be poisoned and worse off if he is on hunger strike by himself. The Acting IGP is defending the Police position after being made the tools of UMNO’s fear tactics & so he is now making lame excuses for being the Stringed Puppet to be easily manipulated by the Puppeteer, power that be. The Deputy IGP must be held personally responsible for the safety of RPK who has been heard to be tortured otherwise he must be made to eat his own medicine come the New Dawn of Malaysia.

    Moronic PeeM and Botak Home Minister last minutes’ attempts to cling on power by using the fear tactics of using the ISA at their whims and fancies selectively against dissent & tried to deny their own actions as they now have no balls to face the wrath of the all the Rakyats of Malaysia. ONE DAY THE MORONIC BOTAK AND FLIP FLOP AND C4 MUST BE MADE TO TASTE THEIR OWN MEDICINE OK?

    All Rakyats of Malaysia will see to that these Clowns will be thrown out soon come the New Dawn of Malaysia & that all Rakyats of Malaysia will welcome the New Malaysia on Malaysia Day 916, 2008 for a Malaysia for All Malaysians.

    Justice MUST BE DONE for Altantuya and for all those detained under ISA without the trial nor the rights of appeal. Light-up a Candle in the Lantern of the Mid-Autumn Festival for them all to usher in the NEW DAWN OF MALAYSIA COME 916, 2008

  74. wits0 says:

    Kittykat46 : “Mobile phone base towers are a lot more powerful, but the inverse square law operates. I do have concerns for those who live right underneath one of those towers.”

    True. Particularly if the towers are in fact atop urban commercial or residential buildings.

    Also the answer to the matter of safety is obfuscated and confused by the non specific, badly worded questions asked by uninformed laymen. A good example is one like that which a layman may asked wrt the danger of medical x’ray exposure. He would not understand that a plain abdomen x’ray may entail up to a 100 times the exposure to ionizing radiation than a plain chest x’ray. Ditto a CT scan even more.

    None will he be expected to know that secondary radiation(that kinda like “sticks” to you, causing ionization)are the dangerous variety not that which went right through him. Fearful of a simple chest x’ray, he does not know that a few hours direct exposure to the Sun may deal almost an equivalent dosage of irradiation.

    It pays to be well informed and well read in modern world about many things but our present Bolehland educational is exactly failing to promote that!

  75. Menyalak-er says:

    Hi kittykat 46 & wits0, our ‘sunlight spectrum’ has a shorter wavelength and higher frequency than RF and microwaves.
    What these wimax/wifi flurs are discusing is non-ionizing radiation.
    What we are concerned about is ‘ionizing’ radiation like UVA/B, x-rays, electron beams, alpha and gamma radiation which are known to be dangerous. Non ionizing radiation is relatively harmless unless (as you noted) it is very close by.
    The only reason one is ‘damaged’ when standing in front of say a powerful radar (microwave) emmiter is because of being ‘cooked’!
    There may be long term deleterious effects in a susceptible genepool by non-ionizing radiation, but the large scale studies never showed it one way or the other… Its just saying ‘radiation’ and it catches everyones attention – but, so is sunlight or the light of the candle, lol.
    I would say that this wifi/max radiation is much, much weaker than sunlight, so for those who are afraid of ‘radiation’ please come out only at night, hantus.

  76. wits0 says:

    I thought there was recently in MythBuster or a similar program where attempts were made to literally cook an egg directly in the path and in extremely close proximity of a radar transmitter source without succeeding.

  77. kittykat46 says:

    High power and very high frequency radar, the sort used in military fighter jets can certainly be dangerous – but the danger is direct heating of tissue, not ionising radiation. Technicians who service such equipment – the only time they get powered up inside buildings – are heavily cautioned to make sure their immediate surroundings are secured.

    There was an interesting program on Discovery channel about High powered Microwave equipment being used for crowd control. More effective than water cannons. A group of tough paratrooper volunteers, who wouldn’t care about water cannons, was asked to stand in the path of the beam for as long as they could put up with it. Everyone got cleared out within 20 seconds.

  78. Menyalak-er says:

    Aiya, wits0-ah (23:24), stop talking about al-blur SHA the egg can or not?
    Kittykat, please la, the goons will spend a zillion ringgit of taxpayers money on that microwave dispersal stuff even though its not marketed yet. Sort of boils the pain receptors, doesn’t it?

  79. BadEgg says:

    Bottom line is that there is no recorded proof, witnesses, victims and reason as to why wifi is harmful (except handphone). It is good that the current government takes the initiative to at least push the already behind nation into the technological edge. Even if wifi connection may be bad at first but as time pass by it will eventually improve (unlike you know who scream and mix things up). I bet that the people from CAP, since they are able to surf and write letter to Malaysiakini, also has wifi at home or surrounding. Why the hyprocrisy. If you want to proof your point, start writing letter the old fashion way and isolate yourself from civilization since there are radioactive wave everywhere in populated area. Less talk more action and show us your sincerity. Give us proof, data, cancer victims and not just theorectical written article. Since there are melanine in every plastic materials, stop eating from plastic containers and utensils and build your own wooden disposable ones. If the CAP can at least do that, then we’ll consider. If not, CAP… please shut it.

  80. amoker says:

    I think Penangnites can and should continue to question. They got something good and want it to be safe. Nothing wrong with that. Look at the facts that is presented and seemed that they are unduely worried. Orang Penang, have fun with your wifi.

  81. allowed me to say this please “PLAIN STUPIDITY”

    i believe almost everyone who work have exposed theirself to the bla bla radiation and chap those work at starbuck/c.bean, even some nasi kandar restaurant. and most of them “ahak” looks handsomely well and pretty and gorgeous. I don’t see the effect wor.

    to Mr. Chua and Ms Siew Hwa… maybe you want to consider cancelling your astro and mobile services. I think even signal from TV could do some harm in “somewhat someway” to your health. hhmm.. stay put in your house, as those smoke from bas kilang, un-regulary service car and boy racer exhaust could easily “somewhat someway” harm your health.

    not to mention alcohol and Penang food most famously contain “AJINOMOTO”. Please do tell me you cook and eat home daily. er, same goes for your cooking oil. make sure you are using ONLY olive oil and not cap this and that ya. because those thing “somewhat someway” could harm your health.

    dung! before you go and look for any publicity by being saintly, please la…. organised some forum and teach those preggie who extremely concern about their health not to smoke nor drink and peoples those who torture and abandon their children better la.

    as cantonese say “sek bao mou shi chou, loh si lei ngor”

    I’m sorry if i upset you guys somewhat someway with what i say because it somewhat someway could harm your health too. my bad!

    crash

  82. some ppl too ignorant….

    they say smoking does not kill
    they say alcohol does not kill
    they say heroin can cure addicts
    they say lots and lots vitamin C is good
    they say Slim 10 is good
    they say dna/isa/osa act is good

    if you techies ppl too eager for wifi, that’s your business, but does that mean “minority” should comply and no say. my old parents say they have headache everytime i “on” the wifi 24-hours when they awake from sleep. when I din use they din have headache. some things are yet to be proven, or some manufacturers tend to hide things from the public, but still the public has right to say no if they feel not right. if you so like to have wifi, go apply and expose to yourself instead ……

  83. by setting wifi station 24-hours online – in the whole island summore, you leave public no choice but to tolerate that radiation (hazardous) bombardment ….

    it’s like ppl say aeroplane is safe, but still bergkamp got choice to travel by car/ship.

    it’s like ppl like to smoke, but you can tell them off to smoke outside (smoking area)……

    it’s like ppl say china made crt tv won’t explode, but still i got money to bu lg scarlett instead……

  84. stk says:

    to anonymous dud,why you on your wifi 24 hours?you should’t be using it at all as it causes your old folks harm .Go get someplace save like built an underground house and make sure don’t use any electronics appliances, to make contact outside use smoke signal.

  85. concern citizen says:

    seems like most people in this blog supporting the wifi project. i think you have a right to disagree with those disgaree on wifi project.

    anyhow, the way of debate and discuss had given me feelings of “scolding”,”insulting” ,personalised those who donot agree with the project. maybe this is the way we express disagreement while others has diffrence views.
    as though as people who has disagreement sound like they anti PR or YB LGE or PR governemnt in Penang.

    If this is the attitude, so what is the diffrence when we used to be in the past being always scolded by BN gobernment whenever we raise some issues in their projects.?

    so does it means all the projects of PR government should be 100% correct, good?
    who can guarantee what will happening in the future?

    raising concern or doubts on certain projects in a way give the PR goervenment to learn how to deal with rakyat when they implement policy, how to be a good governance and implement people participatory in policy making?
    is not the PR government refering the BN as kuku besi and ignore civil society?
    are we so concern the democratization in malaysia? (or we just blindly suipport opposition parties?)

    i think before we agree or disagree about the project in penang,
    can we post some questions :
    1. has the penang state government done any research of relate to the social economy, enviromental and public health of this Wifi project? has this reseach done before the policy is being approved?

    can the report to be revealed?

    as this is the first GRAND and huge ammount project will be run in penang after 8 march new PR governance in penang…

    2. Even in European Union Parliment, There is such principle as “Pre cautiuos”: policy. such as if there is some issues that may or may not harm public welfare, there is attitude and policy consideration in a way that the disagreement views always need to be investigate seriuosly. yes, u may say they have phobia. you may say they wrong evenually.

    however, the task of proofing whether it is harmful of not shall fall into the responsiblity of the state agency who are the main stake holder wanting to impl;ement the so call good policy.

    of course, as YB lim Guan Eng said in malaysiakini report- donot tell me even we want to build school, hosptal etc we have to consult the public.
    i guess this is a very difference issues when we talk abt wifi as they may cause risk or may not- as it is controversial.

    better to wrong then we make a mistake in the future,
    remember that those raise criticism to us , always the best guru/mirror for us to realise something to be improve maybe. so, why not the state governemnt show to public that there is a reserach being done and proved that there is no harm?

    by doing this, PR will get more votes in the next election.,
    as it is a government responsding and care abour minority voices,even they are phobia.

  86. sloone says:

    SLoone: I think this comment was meant to be in this post🙂

    New comment on your post #329 “ROCKY & JEFF OOI CAMPAIGN”
    Author : European Observer

    Comment:
    The PR government obviously understand the economic benefits of having wifi and wimax in turning Penang into an intelligent island. This is valid. For those who are more cautious about the electromagnetic radiation of wifi, wimax have also valid reasons. Obviously health has to be great concern. Economic benefits can come before health.

    Unfortunately, at this point in time nobody whether it be the WHO or any other scientist can confirm that wifi, wimax is harmful to health because research is still going on. Out here in Europe, one does read report of the ill-effects of wifi and wimax but research is still going on.

    The fact that there is no clear-cut scientific proof of ill-effects now does not mean we conclude it is OK. We act otherwise when the proofs of ill-effects are there. This will be too late as it has already affect health.

    What change of mindset in Europe is the adoption of the precautionary principle. We are not sure of the effects of electro-magnetic radiation, it may have no effect or it may have ill-effects. But we will not take the chance and so we limit the use of wifi, wimax. We do use it but we set the rules for its use in public spaces. I am happy that I live in city which is not totally covered by wimax although wifi is used offices, in certain cafes, hotels. There are public spaces where there are no wifi, no wimax.

    People must be given choices. They do not need to quit the state. Here is an issue of democracy and human rights. Democracy is also respecting and accepting minority views. Minorities also have their rights.

    But my comment here is the precautionary principle. More and more people in Europe are changing their mindset and European law is going in the direction the precautionary principle. The precautionary principle is applied to genetically modified organisms is another example.

    I take therefore the position that there must be public spaces, areas of Penang where wifi, wimax should not exist all while in other places it is installed.

  87. BadEgg says:

    To concern citizen,

    True enough. Everyone has his/her opinion and should be spoken out freely without intimidation. However, one wonder why CAP is so persistent on the wifi when they should concentrate on other more pressing issue like the controversial dam in Sarawak, Nuclear plant, poor service from TMnut and the list go on. These issues have more impact on our nation health, cultural heritage, foreign investment into our country etc. The whole things smells of bias. We would love to have a debate from CAP and the current state government to justify their reasonings. However, I had a feeling CAP will pull out, giving more senseless excuse.

  88. Menyalak-er says:

    As some of us have noted, sunlight is e-m radiation, much more “powerful” than RF. You can get melanoma, you know – so stay out of the sun.

  89. OMG! japanese are dying soon…… since the whole fucking tokyo is full with wifi radiation.

    malaysian… malaysian, you have to accept the fact that we have too much taboo. especially the chinese. “kiasusm” make you retarded.

    crash

  90. wits0 says:

    CAP has glaringly not picked on the proposed Nuclear Energy in M’sia. It has been selective and wary of offending you-know-hoo. So it must dwell of small and safe issues and this one about WiFi is suspiciously contrived. CAP can however be helpful with small things and this has to be said in mitigation.

    Someone remarked that one might as well directly add plutonium extract into the water supply like with fluoride wrt the Nuclear Energy plan. And seen in the light of the Bolehland willingness to sacrifice all standards regrading quality through its anti-meritocracy stance in education etc, I must agree. Ask ex-ASLI’s Lim Teck Ghee, about telling the truth and having to resign for that!.

  91. you ppl so funny, CAP din pickup nuclear or dam coz CAP is for penang…. it’s consumer association of penang. and the wifi talking about is on penang!
    of course that body has responsibility to speak on behalf on penangnites. how many penangnites have computer (those in balik pulau, kepala batas, and even urban area) ? do they really happy with wifi (its safeness is still unproven, in debate)? i tell you smoking won’t die, do you like become 2nd hand smoker then ?

    do you know ancient rome collapse coz they think lead is good and safe!

  92. Kah Seng says:

    Although I support the WiFi plan after weighing the evidence and logic on health effect, let us not disparage the protesters. We need to listen to them too.

    Some WiFi supporters don’t understand these opposite views:

    * The protesters are concerned about the 24-hour nature of WiFi, compared with cellular phone which is placed near the ears for only minutes. (True, cellular towers are on all the time, precisely why these protesters are also against cellular towers).

    * WiFi will give out RF that is unescapable, EVEN, EVERYWHERE in Penang, unlike cellular phone and towers, which have certain high-concentration areas only.

    * Technology is a subset of science, and science is only a subset of truth. Scientific testing of hypothesis is testing that “WiFi is associated with bodily injury” but does not “prove” that WiFi cannot hurt the body. Science is sure exactly because it is also ultra-conservative and narrow in nature. Scientific testing also does not prove causal-effects.

    Not finding evidence so far could be due to the short-term nature of the WiFi technology. Even cellular RF is only widespread over 10 years. Such obvious risk factors as drinking and smoking can take 40 years to “cause” cancer, and only among a small group of people affected by certain disease, like previous liver infection.

    So we science and techno lovers can never afford to be arrogant, considering the narrow and conservative nature of science.

    I dislike CAP’s protectionist, parochial, condescending, views, such as these:

    Disneyland will decimate local culture
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/51925

    Mcdonalds must apologise to Chinese
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/62533

    Don’t let rice boil over into FTA
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/68618

    But CAP did raise alarm on Sarawak and TM, such as these:

    S’wak development plans require re-study
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/77943

    No, not another two dams in Sarawak
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/73450

    Bakun water catchment area – another promise broken
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/73266

    TM subscribers ripped off by voice-mail service
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/57323

    I think more than half of CAP view is worthy. That’s more than you can say for many of our politicians and regulators.

    CAP’s latest response:

    Wi-fi: Better safe than sorry
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/90456
    SM Mohamed Idris | Sep 26, 08 5:03pm

    We refer to the Malaysiakini article CAP is being unreasonable. (http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/90172)

    There is sound basis for our call, which we hope the Penang state government will heed, in the name of public health. CAP is an independent, non-profit and non-politically affiliated body that has only the interests of consumers in mind, so there is no hidden agenda for the above call as implied by the writer. The following facts are self-explanatory.

    Wi-fi, like mobile phones, is an untested technology, meaning that it hasn’t yet been proven safe for use. Wi-fi operates in a way very similar to mobile phones – which should be of concern, as it is now believed that the universal use of mobile phones may be storing up medical catastrophes for the future.

    Like mobile phones and their towers (or masts), wi-fi also emits microwave radiation. Though virtually no research has been carried out, public health advocates and some scientists expect them to have similar ill-effects. It is reported that we are all now living in a soup of electromagnetic radiation (EMR) one billion times stronger than the natural fields in which living cells have developed over the last 3.8 billion years.

    At current exposure levels, microwave radiation is already questionable, prompting the German government to warn its people to avoid mobile phone and wi-fi use. The world’s top experts have also advised caution in recent years.

    The latest scientific opinion on electromagnetic fields – a 610-page Bioinitiative Report written by 14 scientists, public health and public policy experts, and reviewed by a dozen others, which represents a strong comprehensive review of EMR science, perhaps the most precise done to date – has concluded that existing public safety standards for microwave radiation in nearly every country of the world are “thousands of times too lenient”.

    In September 2006, more than 30 scientists from all over the world collectively stated in the Benevento Resolution (issued by the International Commission on Electromagnetic Safety) that: “There is evidence for adverse health effects, including cancer and electro-hypersensitivity, from microwave radiation at current exposure levels, and that a precautionary approach should be adopted”.

    It is thus important to take a precautionary approach until more is understood about possible health impacts of wireless technology.

    Absence of conclusive studies should not prevent reasonable efforts by the powers that be in our country to respond to the information at hand, as has been done overseas.

    In Germany, the government in 2007, warned its citizens to avoid using wi-fi. The ruling was on the basis that a possible risk has not been ruled out, rather than because an actual threat has been determined. It recommends avoiding exposure to wi-fi “because it is a new technology and all the research into its health effects has not yet been carried out”.

    The German action, the most damning made by any government on the fast-growing technology, is a stark contrast to the unhesitating promotion of the technology by the Penang state government.

    The state government should be informing citizens of – and protecting them from – the wi-fi health risks, not arbitrarily imposing this hazardous technology on them. This new technology may be liberating, but it does not warrant the increase in radiation and the potential risks to the health of Penangites.

    At a time when governments around the world are beginning to question the safety of wireless technology, Penang is hastily embracing it to the future detriment of her people. This is not only totally unacceptable, but also highly irresponsible on the state government’s part.

    In the present EMF research climate, a move in the right direction is to have say, mobile phone-free zones for starters, followed by wi-fi free zones, if the state government is truly committed to protecting people’s health. Instead, Penangites are pushed into accepting a wi-fi dominated environment with the recent state decision.

    Adoption of wi-fi technology may appear to be a positive global trend today, but from a public health standpoint, its use has now gone out of control worldwide. It is a grave mistake to see wi-fi technology as a craze worth emulating as the trend now is towards increasing international concern. It is also a social injustice to involuntarily expose all Penangites to its potentially serious health threats with its free implementation statewide.

    In the light of present evidence, CAP also calls on the Malaysian authorities in general to be vigilant over the public’s exposure to electromagnetic radiation from rapidly expanding new technologies throughout the country and implement measures to reduce exposures, especially to vulnerable groups, such as children.

    As for the Penang state government, it should place people’s health above other interests. In the interest of all, CAP calls on the state government to find alternatives that do not pose the same level of possible health risks as wi-fi, while there is still time to make changes.

    The writer is president of the Consumers’ Association of Penang

  93. ong says:

    After a lot of debates (plus dispensable insults and non-arguments exposition) may be the time has come to do the following:
    1. Work out a rational arrangement where those who want WIFI get the WIFI (and the risks and life enrishing excitement thrown in) -just like you use cars that kill but you put on your seat belt as mitigation; and those who don’t want it don’t have to risk the radiation;

    A suggestion : WIFI should be available within convenient distances eg within 50 m of any point in a city. A practical solution is for shops to apply to get free(ie state sponsored) wifi with provision that they have to do away with the security passwords so people can hang around it to use wifi freely. There should be no shortage of applicants to install the wifi since many people here are already looking forward to get free wifi. Wifi then become something like a telephone booth – which can be made very accessible and yet not imposing;

    Suggested exemption areas: nurseries, schools, hospitals, residential blocks-and other sensible/sensitive areas.

    2. There should be a certain way to get inputs from the residents eg through a state assembly select committee to collect residents opinions through public hearing. In this way the state government can say that the policy has been implemented with public inputs. Now that the issue is already out in the open such hearings should be made an institutionalised way to deal with public concerns eg ways to minimise road accidents, harms from smoke, harms from handphones etc etc.

    Those who are generous with your opinions here should welcome this suggestions-as in other issues where you are also pro-free speech and citizens’ participations.

  94. BrightEyes says:

    New technologies normally have its own share of skeptics, usually those not well versed in the science of it. Still, we should offer them space to air their views, which can be refuted.

    Like already said by many others, the radiated power from WiFi is much less than what you’d get from a cellphone, and less than what you’d get from similar frequency weather radar.

    By the way, WiFi use is expanding in Europe, despite what critics here point out. And Japan, Korea, Singapore, the Americas, and Australia.

    In a decade’s time, we’ll look back at amusement at the apocalyptic EM-wave prophesies on WiFi, just like we did with the cellphone and television. And proceed to the next new technology to fear.

    More importantly is how will this project be implemented by the state, and what’s the terms of the contract?

  95. ong says:

    Well, I agree that there are elements of technophobia hiding behind the criticisms agains the WIFI roll-out in Penang. But we need to rationally look at potential harms -whether proven currently or not. Many scientific `achievements’ eg pesticides, have been proven to be carcinogenic years/decades later-just as there are also fear, eg against cars in the early days of its invention, which proved to be not unsurmountable. The point is to take advantage of technology but to keep an eye on potential harms-since no one know how the future may go-either the `pesticides’ way or the `car’ way. So let’s be rational-not to be freaked out by technology’s potential harms, or throw caution to the wind-and end up as terminal cancer patients.

  96. how pathetic says:

    What do we have here? A pathetic bunch of thirdworld people who is grasping rejected technology from the west!

    What can I say — no wonder Malaysia is a haven for rejected products from the west — looks like a big market by the sound of the pea brains in this country.

    In Malaysia, the fart of the YABs, YBs, YMs etc are sweet smelling!LOL

    Boy, you guys do deserve a shit government which treats you like shit cos you are asking for it! But, poor children of yours, they sure don’t deserve it! Good thing I am no longer in Malaysia!

  97. Robin says:

    Penangites…decide what u want? If u don’t want development, we can start planting trees and don’t complain when MNCs start retrenching ppl due to lack of support and infrastructure from Government. CAP, i think they r crap. Anti establishment

  98. draiseels says:

    Good web site i will come back soon,,

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