In a nut shell, the Lim Guan Eng vs Koh Tsu Koon live debate over NTV7 just now was…just that – a debate. Lim got his chance to grill the former chief minister on questionable land deals during his leadership at the state government, and the latter, managed to air his side of the story.

However, there were hardly any new facts presented, probably because the newspapers had covered the issues about 30times for the past five months.

The crowd, more men than women, sometimes looked confused, and many had a broody and serious look, like this lady:

Lim was his usual confident self, but I noticed he did not smile when Koh made snide remarks against him or the DAP/PAKATAN RAKYAT government.

He had more questions than answers. So, I felt that the debate was like a press conference, with Lim playing the role of journalist and Koh, the “suspected corrupt minister”.

Koh had a lot of “answers” but to the audience with whom I was watching the programme, it was not very convincing.

Lim was professional and did not pull any punches below the belt. He stucked to the debate topic, though he caved in at last by mentioning the issue of an empty CM’s office, which he inherited from Koh, after the March 8 elections.

Not to be outdone, Koh questioned how DAP could unearth the mysteries of the land scams if there were no files to reply on.

Lim was definitely prepared with the reply that even without files, DAP had previously exposed many scandals. “What more when we are now the state government?”

Koh made funny insinuations about Lim and DAP at the first opportunity.

He did it even in his opening speech: “Eventhough you are already the state government but you still act like the opposition,” he told Lim off. I do not think Lim appreciated that comment. He held his head down.

But Koh did admit one thing, though, that the accustions leveled at him were cases that happen during the rule of Barisan Nasional, not UMNO, as mentioned by Lim.

I watched the the debate with a retired nurse,  human resources manager, a teacher and a pyschologist, and all of them said Koh was “defensive”.

He accused Lim of “politicising” the issues with the intention of shaming and embarrassing the past state government. He also blamed his successor for ‘sensationalising’ the scandals, asking if it were fair to do so.

The former CM even chided one of the referrees, journalist Wan Hamidi from the Malaysian Insider, for asking a question which sounded like an accusation.

Wan Hamidi queried if the Tan Sri was denying the accusations, although based on facts, and if he were ‘protecting those involved’.

Koh tried (very hard) to justify the alleged corruption related to land deals in the previous state government, saying: “In these 18 years (when he governed Penang from the 28th floor in KOMTAR), there had been about 10,000 pieces of paper work.

“If there were about 5-7 errors (referring to the scandals brought up by Lim), it still means our performance rate was 99.9 percent,” he exclaimed. Some people actually clapped in response to that!

Wow. So, its okay to have scandals?

Lim replied correctly: “Even if there were one scandal involving millions, I would be very worried”.

He added that Koh should not keep silent about the matter as we (Malaysia) have lost about 100bil USDs due to corruption!

Towards the end, Koh skirted around the issues expressed by Lim, and his thoughts and arguments were “fragmented”.

We lost our way listening to him. But at least he did not ‘salivate’.

I must commend both Lim and Koh, however, for maintaining their ‘cool’, though the latter seemed like ‘a pressure cooker’, waiting to let off steam anytime🙂

Lim on the other hand was concise in his argument and accusations, though he repeated the issues several times.

He reiterated the new government’s commitment of “Competency, Accuracy and Transparency”.

Koh, of course, countered back with the Bersih (clean), Cekap (efficient) and Amanah (trustworthy) slogan prmoted by Mahathir Mohamad when he became prime minister in 1982.

To which Lim shot back: “But they were not practised!”.

Throughout the debate, Lim was focussed on several issues, and he was really desperate for the answers, to which he never got any:

1)How much was the damages (losses) due to the land scams?

2)Who was responsible and why was there impunity (no action taken against the wrong doers)?

3) What is the impact of the land scams on the state and people?

4) Why is it that Koh had refused t meet him to discuss/resolve the land scam issues?

Koh merely blamed Lim for incomplete facts, and attempted to explain that he had indeed acted on the alleged scandals, like bringing the case to the Anti Corruption Agency twice, inviting Lim to try a third attempt.

He explained the reason why the previous government had not publicised the matter: “because the case was still going on and it is subjudiced”. Same old excuses.

I think I heard the crowd (some) booing (not so loud) at Koh. Did you hear it too? To which Koh said “Lets debate professionally” and the audience fell silent.

I guess Koh lost the debate, and so did the people. And Lim did not win.

Because at the end of the night, the real topic of the debate was not addressed. There were more questions than answers.

More reasons to debate. And a real strategy to resolve the suspicious land deals.

182 responses »

  1. ANg Kong says:

    Can anyone tell me what did we learn fr holding such debate between LGE and KTK?
    Most knew that there will never be any answers/outcomes arising fr this. Did you all expect KTK would hold his arms up going to the debate? If not for the entertaining/novelty values, I suspect most would have gone to bed. It’s just like a dog trying to catch its tail when one answers a question with another question. Totally meaningless.
    Assuming that the scams were true, what are the chances of recuperating the lost money? Who’s gonna pay? Which low ranked officers are going to be made scapegoats?
    I hope LGE doesn’t get side tracked by these land scams, his main priority is to rebuild Panang to a state where it belongs.

  2. shadowmode says:

    seriously, dont u folks think that u r lucky 2 hav a LGE? Hell i am from sarawak n they (MPs) are all hopeless. we sure hope we have more ppl of such calibre.

  3. cekka says:

    catchy article by susan loone..

    If you wish to see debate’s review in Malay translation.
    see (http://cekka.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/debat-lim-guan-eng-kena-tembak-oleh-koh-tsu-koon/)

    and little bit contra..

  4. Cronyism says:

    Interesting debate about the role of Anwar in assisting his cronies in Penang. So what the hue and cry about other leaders showing cronyism. What is unacceptable is that Anwar is US Crony and to his prove how good he was, he assisted him to paralyse the Malaysian economy in 1997/8 then given a tour of Pentagon as a gesture of their appreciation.

  5. eunuch chenghe says:

    As long as this KTK is still supporting/with the racist, corrupt and lawless Umno dogs, this KTK is a traitor to all the Chinese in Bolehland.

    If this KTK is living in China, he would not be debating here. Ditto to OKT. They would have been sent to the fields for hard labor work/ catharsis, or cocktail injection!

    They are a total disgrace to the endemic Chinese and their ancestors, and they have the gall to championing the causes of the Chinese in Bolehland?

    Dey! You stupid Chinese Traitors, please leave the endemic Chinese alone. The endemic Chinese do not need your corrupt, patronized and unilateral fighting for the endemic Chinese rights

    LGE is just another hopeless eunuch ala the old eunuch, after 50 years with relenting Chinese support, Bolehland is still in such a sorry state…. time to revamp dap…..

    Dap is just an one man show party….. sigh! Before…. the old eunuch, and now the young eunuch…. Dap is destined to be an eternal eunuch party….

    “A ‘right’ is a moral principle defining and sanctioning a man’s freedom of action in a social context. There is only one fundamental right (all others are its consequences or corollaries): a man’s right to his own life.

    “The concept of individual rights is so new in human history that most men have not grasped it fully to this day.

  6. jon says:

    Does anybody know where i can watch or download the debate online? i tried youtube but i couldnt find it.

  7. lin dan says:

    Bravo to LCW for the Olympic silver in Beijing 2008.

    Sorry for the thrashing, best man wins.

    Not bad an Olympic outing with a RM300k reward.

    The UMno and MCA dogs should leave LCW and other badminton players/ sportsmen alone.

    This trick doesn’t work anymore, not in this 21st century era!

    “It was the concept of individual rights that had given birth to a free society. It was with the destruction of individual rights that the destruction of freedom had to begin.

    “Any alleged ‘right’ of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right.

    “The term ‘individual rights’ is a redundancy: there is no other kind of rights and no one else to possess them.”
    — Ayn Rand

  8. veonszu says:

    Truth did not surface after the debate.

    But one thing is confirmed. LGE is still very much a opposition-minded CM. At times, his sharp tongues and sarcastic smiles didn’t endear him to the viewers. He must quickly learn to speak, act and behave like a CM.

    No winner here. But good to have this sort of open and public debate to test the our Malaysian brand of democracy.
    http://veonszu.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/the-debate-of-two-penangs-chief-ministers/

  9. hutchrun says:

    Susan,

    So many pics the last coupla days, but try to get one in at least of yourself also lah. Pleeeease 🙂 And I still love dat cat🙂

  10. 104East says:

    Our Sarawak politicans have learnt one thing from this debate: With the uncountable land scams, they better clear their offices before the next election! In case there it turns out to be a tsunami.

  11. hutchrun says:

    Apparently, the director, Samsiah Abu Bakar, 48 said in mingguan Malaysia dated 11 febuari 2007. that she is an ardent fan of Rafidah Aziz. What type of corruption fighter looks up to a figure that is tantamount to the term “corruption”.

    http://www.malaysiawaves.com/2008/08/entrapment-in-perak-and-relation-to.html

  12. Iron Pillar says:

    We didn’t need this debate at this time.

    The political situation in the country looks very much like ‘office-politics’ spilling into the streets. Thats why politics in Malaysia is least attractive.
    What was it suppose to be: Political debate?? ‘Economy’-Debate?? ‘Social’ Debate?? ‘Election’ Debate?? We dont know what to call it.

    Malaysian ‘politics’ is actually just another ‘office-politics’. The only difference is, this one is brought out into the streets. Not ‘healthy’ politics.
    Thats why this kind of politics poses a social ‘threat’ more than it helps the society on the whole.

    Lets summarise the Permatang Pauh by-elections at this stage.

    The Permatang Pauh by-elections can actually be seen as:
    A group of former colleagues ganging up to stop a potential colleague going up the ladder to be the CEO.Thats all there is to this pathetic Malaysian politics.

    And, they do all they can to destroy his credibilty as a candidate for a CEO’s post.

    They find his faults,’frame’ him up,slander, bad-mouthing him,falsely accuse him,smear his name as ‘bad’ candidate, expose ‘evidences’ to match claim, attempt to make everyone uncomfortable with him, blame him for the mistakes, ostracise him penalise him, make his life miserable for him, make him look untrustworthy,make him not fit for the job,as a last resort brutalise him by employing ‘hitman’ and bullies against him, make people hate him, sabotage his work,’money’ politics and so forth.

    I think most of us are familiar with this type of environment. From the office to any religious organisation we can see these things happen quite often.

    This is plain human nature we have to decide to overcome ourselves.

    Why this ‘office politics’ is slightly different?

    Like for DS Anwar, he has to battle not only with his ex-colleagues since 1997/98 but with the police,the judiciary,the ACA,the SPR,the religious dept.,
    lowest standing individuals like the accusers who were ordinary drivers,aides and etc.

    With the latest “I will expose your Port Dickson incident” warning ” if you keep on falsely accusing me” it really looks like ‘office’ squabbles really. No doubts about it.

    ‘Healthy’ politics is different. It will be centred on public issues like the economy management,social threats, public safety and security,education,etc.

    With all these important ingredients of healthy politics missing and ‘office politics’ taking centre stage, we generally feel disappointed with our current so-called leaders. They are not up to their job and calling.

    Can Malaysia have a brand new government that will not evade from pressing issues of the country and not waste the nations money and wealth on unimportant low-class ‘office politics’ that is made to look like politics when it is not?

  13. hutchrun says:

    He look so handsome with this uniform. He does look a handsome scout.
    http://maverickysm.blogspot.com/2008/08/distress-evil-bloggers.html

    Najib eyeing his a*se also.

  14. hutchrun says:

    He look so handsome with this uniform. He does look a handsome scout.
    maverickysm.blogspot.com/2008/08/distress-evil-bloggers.html

    Najib eyeing his a*se also.

  15. Devan says:

    KTK was a frightened fellow,pale, and another few mins. he could have cried !!!!!!
    He evaded the questions aand tried his best to run down LGE.
    The debate format should be changed to a more lively ones with direct questions.
    The winner is of course LGE…………..

  16. mtmm says:

    One very important thing you can learn from this debate is GREED.

    Because of GREED, BN lost a state.

    Because of GREED, a chief minister job is lost.

    Worst, because of GREED, a ‘senior’ PARTY is lost.

  17. Bujang says:

    Iron Pillar

    Agree with you. Our politics has rotted to this stage because of one demon ex-PM.
    Anwar’s Port Dickson story could be just his defence from the incessant attacks by Najib.
    This means he has a lot in his bag for counter-attack too.
    If he has so much, he knows a lot; if he knows a lot, would he do the same thing in future? This is the question in my mind.
    Hopefully, if he becomes the PM, he would nail these corrupted and deviate-minded people first and put them away. Let a new dawn begins.
    If politics continues as it is today, I lose my respect to Anwar and all my hopes of him to be a different PM and bring us out of tunnel of this dark age are gone.
    I will vote for another man then. I will also campaign for this to happen.
    Cheers, kawan.

  18. hutchrun says:

    So reports Aliran:

    “According to the latest internationally comparable data from the World Bank, individual inequality in Malaysia (as measured by the common Gini coefficient) is the second worst in all of the Asian countries for which data is available. Only Papua New Guinea ranks worse..”

    http://thexstories.blogspot.com/2008/08/exodus-is-must.html

  19. Bigjoe says:

    I have never seen Koh Tsu Koon being grilled before and I thought one thing became clear to me: Koh Tsu Koon is never going to lead Gerakan back into Penang.

    KTK gave answers that were not convincing. So the question is why have the debate at all which was also one of the question which his answer was unconvincing (i.e. he did not want to give the opposition to opportunity to spin it his answer). If the answers were complicated then a public debate was even worst. It would have been better off with him and a team of lawyers in a room to hash it out. A public debate was not the place to hash out details but the precisely is why he chose it, so that he did not have to provide details.

    KTK also resorting to personal attack was definitely more underhanded -e.g. making snide remark about Lim Guan Eng accounting background. KTK has papers from Princeton, Chicago, Stanfod but his math is more like a crooked accountant. His use of percentage of land transactions he handled is a case of implied positive – a wrong assumption and frankly shameless as alumnis of those schools. The man was an unprincipled geek at school and is still one now.

    But the thing also is Lim Guan Eng showed he is gaining in strength as a leader. He stuck to his focus and agenda and managed to come back from KTK attack and defense. He definitely won the debate. The roar of the crowd when he said ‘kalau tidak ada rasuah, kerajaan BN tidak akan kalah pada Tsunami 308’ was inspirational to the rank and file and the public.

    But the point is that KTK is bankrupt of ideas. Any cheer from his supporters were actually muted. It was strained at best. He cannot lead Gerakan back and his support we all know has been eroding. He is essentially banking on the next election where he will find that even if the rest of the country revert back to BN, Penang is likely to stay with DAP.

  20. hutchrun says:

    So reports Aliran:

    “According to the latest internationally comparable data from the World Bank, individual inequality in Malaysia (as measured by the common Gini coefficient) is the second worst in all of the Asian countries for which data is available. Only Papua New Guinea ranks worse..”

    thexstories.blogspot.com/2008/08/exodus-is-must.html

  21. bangmalaysia says:

    Koh was just too defensive over the massive land frauds and subsequent cover-ups.

    Read about the UMNO imam who did the swearing of Saiful below:

    http://bangmalaysia.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/who-is-the-imam-with-the-strange-name/

  22. ella-mae says:

    i heard ktk had a bunch of rah rah girls in attendance in the hall… getting very excited at everything ktk said :-S

    http://thedandelions.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/reconciling-being-a-uitm-student/

  23. hutchrun says:

    Anwar said Koh had lost the support of his Chinese base and was now trying to “kow-tow” to the Umno leaders.

    http://sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=24933

  24. hutchrun says:

    Barely four days after the nomination day – Barisan Nasional had thrown a staggering total of at least RM1.3 million to buy Chinese and Indian votes in Permatang Pauh alone.
    http://edition.bintulu.org/2008/08/bn-spend-staggering-rm13-to-buy-chineses-and-indian-votes-in-permatang.html

    Dilulus olih ACA

  25. nuetral says:

    Well, indirectly, LGE implies he accepts no mistakes and that his new ruling team is perfect ..99.9% is not good enough……. Hence, my expectation of LGE team is 0% mistake…. We see, I vote for you for now, and see if you can be 100% perfect …

  26. hutchrun says:

    Losing a few million ringgit over a handful of cases as against solving a few million cases amounting to a handful of ringgit is not 99.9% perfect as KTK claims.
    It is 100% dissimulation by Gerakan.

  27. hutchrun says:

    “Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.”
    A one-word translation would be “Dissimulation.”

  28. kittykat46 says:

    Overall, the debate was a pretty tame affair.

    Lim Guan Eng was the clear winner in the debate., no doubt about it. Koh TK should graciously bow out into retirement. The bankrupt politics of BN subordinate parties is really not worth it.

  29. Rakyat2 says:

    The Rakyat Demand Answers And Accountability
    LGE’s main argument is that those who are negligent are accountable, and therefore, action should taken against those who are negligent, more so if it involves the rakyat’s money. KTK’s main argument is that negligence is not a crime. Action could only be taken against those who are convicted in court. Also, a few land scams are excusable because there are other land deals that did not reveal corrupt practices. No wonder corruption is so rampant in BN government.

    The sad thing is that the previous Penang state govt still thinks it is not accountable, and evasive about the depth of corruption. As rakyat, we think the money should be recovered.

  30. musharaf says:

    That money lost could also lead to KTK own bank acount thas why the officert only got “slap on the wrist”. More investigation needed here.

  31. bamboo river says:

    I am dissapointed with this so called ‘DEBAT’ . Just like watching football match between Man U and Chelsea but ended up with scoreless draw.
    However , I was a bit (just a little bit) ‘entertained’ by not the topic of the debate , but the rebuttal antics of LGE and KTS like on the ’empty office’ topic.
    Calling your opponent ‘Akauntan Burok’ is a cheap shot lah KTK.
    If I were to compare this debate between DSAI and Shaberry, well, at least I finished my frothed Nescafe tarik Ais without problem.
    I am waiting for the mother of all ‘DEBAT” between RPK and …anyone game for it? List down your top ten opponents for RPK to pick.😉

  32. Datuk KSY says:

    I sympathise with Tsu Koon. Like him, I am one of those filthy rich in this country. Why should people complain about a few hundred million ringgit losses? Don’t you know that taking up public office is a big sacrifice for us? Remember what Mahathir said, at least Malaysia is better than many African countries. So BN has done a good job.

    Datuk

  33. Unskewed says:

    I disagree with anyone who says Lim thrashed Koh last night. In fact, it was the other way round. Lim looked like a rat drenched in sweat, who kept repeating the same corny politics campaigning lines over and over again. What’s wrong with Koh being defensive??? Lim was throwing accusations at him, so it’s fair that Koh address the accusations with direct, clear answers, which he did last nite. and who said Koh wasn’t convinving?? I’m not a penangite, and I started off as an impartial audience, but within 10 minutes into the debate, I was already cheering and clapping for Koh. Lim talked and looked like a cheesy pirate DVD seller, and he’s arguments was all over the place and only focus on one narrow issue i.e. landscams. He could have taken the opportunity to discuss more broader issues, and this would have been an indication of far-sightedness. Given the level of shallowness, as far as I’m concern, Koh may not have been the best CM for Penang, but Lim would be even worst. We’ll just have to wait and see…..

  34. musharaf says:

    I am waiting for the mother of all ‘DEBAT” between RPK and …anyone game for it? List down your top ten opponents for RPK to pick.😉

    Najis Tun Razak

  35. kittykat46 says:

    Just aside, Lee Chong Wei has finally, completely morphed into a BN campaigner….OK-lah, he’s got Rm 300K of all your hard-earned taxes plus a cozy life-time pension.

  36. crapshoot says:

    Tsu Koon is a Follower. Even during his teaching days at Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM), Tsu Koon was famous for his note taking habit during Faculty meetings but could give little in ideas.

    This product of the famous Chung Ling High School crunches on facts and figures but has no real idea whatthose facts and figures are telling him. Even though he was Penang CM, the realperson running the State was the Deputy CM from Umno. In essence, Tsu Koon was apuppet.

    That’s why there was no managing of ethics during his stewardship. That’s why when the Pakatan Rakyat Government took over the State, there were skeletons all over the place left behind by the BN/Umno regime.

    http://margeemar.blogspot.com/2008/08/lim-guan-eng-koh-tsu-koon-debate.html

  37. crapshoot says:

    Tsu Koon is a Follower. Even during his teaching days at Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM), Tsu Koon was famous for his note taking habit during Faculty meetings but could give little in ideas.

    This product of the famous Chung Ling High School crunches on facts and figures but has no real idea whatthose facts and figures are telling him. Even though he was Penang CM, the realperson running the State was the Deputy CM from Umno. In essence, Tsu Koon was apuppet.

    That’s why there was no managing of ethics during his stewardship. That’s why when the Pakatan Rakyat Government took over the State, there were skeletons all over the place left behind by the BN/Umno regime.

    margeemar.blogspot.com/2008/08/lim-guan-eng-koh-tsu-koon-debate.html

  38. christine yong says:

    Negligent is commonly used to mitigate or as a cover up for corruption! Still needs thorough investigation as there is too much Rakyat’s money involved. This KTK arrogantly aknowledge “negligence” and assumed that if this is acceptable to BN it is acceptable by ALL. He better be accountable and bring back every million lost!!

  39. crapshoot says:

    And as a Penangite, I support the current Penang Government to expose all the Scandals that this puny Umno lap dog Moquitoman is trying to hide. As far as The Scribe is concerned; YAB Lim Guan Eng thrashed Koh Tsu Koon in the Debate.
    margeemar.blogspot.com/2008/08/koh-tsu-koon-cant-pull-himself-together.html

  40. ktteokt says:

    KSK has yet to explain why he had “exchanged sweet potatoes with rice” to the rakyat!!!!

  41. david says:

    TO Unskewed

    Pay attention, the topic of the debate was about the land scams! I have heard Koh spoke before he became the Chief Minister. The anecdotes and examples he gave were always bias towards the very rich and the upper-middle class. This reflects his background. People are deceived by his charm. But he is definitely not one of the rakyat and he could not understand the hardship faced by ordinary citizens. Also, he is more interested in pleasing his political master than serving the people.

  42. Debate? What debate? I heard only accusations and half truth answers which has been going on for the last 5 months. One would expect more from LGE so as to take advantage of the livetelecast to expose the misdeeds of the former administration.
    My advice to the present rulers of Penang is do more and don’t just talk. Enough of propaganding CAT. Show it. TAKE THE NECESSARY ACTION AGAINST THE WRONGDOERS NOW!
    My verdict of the debate? What a waste of time!!!

  43. amoker says:

    It is clear. BN 0 – Pakatan 2

    Who said there is no winner. Look at the writtings of MSM this morning when they try put up another brave front. Apparently, both KTK and LGE is ‘confident’. Huh? And they tried to skirt around the issues raised by not detailing out. Another PR exercise that does show that even MSM think that KTK lost. If KTK won, he would be called more than ‘confident’. whahaha

  44. Hahaha says:

    No surprises from this debate. New CM LGE, is introducing CAT to the penanites and the previous CM Koh, was defending the corrupted politicians in his administration. Sad, that a wasted talent Koh, who likes to be seen as a heroic captain in a sinking ship…the Chinese has a saying, “Holding on to a dead prick and not knowing how to change direction!”

  45. jac says:

    If anything, i feel even sadder after watching the the live telecast. If Koh (supposedly clean) could not stop corruption in Penang, what more could the people expect in other states where corruption is a culture and norms.

  46. bangmalaysia says:

    Bigger than the land scams in Penang: See below:

    http://bangmalaysia.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/who-is-the-imam-with-the-strange-name/

    More on the ‘Politikus Imam’. Click below (HOT)

    http://bangmalaysia.wordpress.com/?p=1323

  47. idzan ismail says:

    Morning everyone

    Kudos to the two. They speak BM better than me. I speak in a Pahang dialect.
    Except for persetubuhan instead of pertubuhan Koh was admirable.
    GE good too. But I agree he should shed his opposition stance.
    Yo Musharaf. RPK debate?
    You kidding?
    Representing who? What? With Whom?
    All he knows is Anwar for PM

  48. musharaf says:

    Who cares about that imam. Leave him alone, that poor bugger is busy looking for pen pals on friendster:

  49. Sinatra_Z says:

    you know it’s not wrong being a DAP supporter but it is wrong to let your support be heavily biased when it comes to reviewing this debate. It is pretty clear that Koh Tsu Koon was the better man in this debate though you may find trouble to swallow it. Koh Tsu Koon answered the chief point of the debate which was the Land Scam pretty accurately and he kill off all the rebuttal points by Lim Guan Eng on why there was just a warning to the officer, there was 2 ACA investigations, why it was 10 acres for a quarry, why did it was approved even though all of the government agencies was against it and it is not really 40 million plus it is still in a court case thus it is subjudice. lets not forget the files in the CM office and the reason why he did not visit the new CM.

    It is also interesting to note that you fail to mention that Lim Guan Eng did not answer at all Koh Tsu Koon’s question regarding the issue why the new CM keep hyping on 40 million when he also made a statement that the quarry owner have agreed to a much lower price of less than 2 million. Then there was also the land repricing answer for the dam.

    I think that Guan Eng was taken aback by the answers and keep on repeating the same rhetorics again and again. That is why he did not get much of the applause during conclusion speech as it was again repetitive.

    You may disagree with KTK and call his facts a farce, bs or whatever it may be. But when reviewing a debate we must put it in a debate context which is Lim Guan Eng failed to counter, introduce points or put on rebuttal on KTK.

    Be fair, Koh Tsu Koon was the man of the night.

    Though you may not like that.

  50. nera says:

    Very clever strategy. The air time given to Lim gave Malaysians a glimpse of the politician. Like the air time given to Anwar, this is the first time we watch the politician speaking. This is probably once in a lfetime, unless, of course, the PR form the next government!

  51. musharaf says:

    idzan ismail (09:34:59) :
    Get a grip on yourself. Your comments kindly rephrase in context of this:

    bamboo river (08:52:53) : I am waiting for the mother of all ‘DEBAT” between RPK and …anyone game for it? List down your top ten opponents for RPK to pick.

  52. amy says:

    what’s wrong with you guys? The whole fact of the matter is that YB LGE is a person of impeccable character, disposition, fairness, truthfullness, dignity, honesty, integrity, accountability, etc…. (I can’t say much for that fella. I used to have respect for him but not anymore becos you KNOW he’s lying for those idiots!) Of course, no one is perfect. But to say 1 wrong as right, that’ll tell you something or a lot about that person, don’t you think???? Very soon, it’ll be 2 wrongs are right and the list will increase. Get it??? Anyway, I’m not from Penang but I envy those Penangnites who’s got YB LGE as their CM! You couldn’t get a finer person than him. I’m not worshipping him but I personally feel he’s one honest and dignified person and I respect people like that. Period!

  53. Fortified City says:

    2 Timothy 3:1-5 (New International Version)

    Godlessness in the Last Days

    But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

  54. whispering9 says:

    Yeah, it was a lousy debate. Both were lousy. More like a “Yes, U did it”….”No, I did not” match. The referee and majority of the crowd was still one-sided. Despite that, not much of the pro-BN crowd was cheering for KST. LGE said he can erase poverty in Penang within a year and that is really a tall order. Wish him all the luck money can buy. KST is slowly morphing into another Prof. Emeritus Dato’ Dr. KKK. As long as BN continues with racial politics, most Chinese will skip KST. Gerakan was used as a thorn in MCA palm and nothing more. He is neither here or there within the racial policy promoted by BN. Goodbye Gerakan…unless you listen to the people.

  55. pasta says:

    Koh Tsu Koon legacy:

    * Georgetown has become a ghost town;
    * Komtar is in a terrible shape;
    * Public traffic transport system has broken down;
    * Factories are moving out (Inventec, Siemens, Intel)?
    * Local economy is not doing well?
    * Crime rate has become worse?
    * Perceived marginalization of the poor of all races in Penang?
    * Worsening wealth and development polarization,
    * Temples are torn down

    KTK is the first outgoing Chief Minister who gave away Gerakan’s power to choose a new chief minister to the hands of UMNO. He sold out his own party and the people of Penang.

  56. TheWrathOfGrapes says:

    /// Lim was professional and did not pull any punches below the belt. ///

    Ouch, ouch, ouch, Susan, was that a Freudian slip or what???

    If Lim was professional, he should have pulled his punches, especially those aimed below the belt.

    I really pity Koh – his family jewels must have been smashed to smithereens by now.

  57. pp voter says:

    This KTT is a despicable white collar thief of the worst kind.

    Wasn’t this KTT of the Dong Jiao Zhong using the banner ‘to rectify the corrupt governments, then join the governments”?

    Joined the government he did, but this white collar thief was rectified instead by the racist, corrupt and lawless Umno governments.

    This white collar thief has got no balls and also is a useless pondan carrying out orders from the corrupt joker aka Babbler Lim Saliva to milk the endemic poor Chinese.

    Gerakan is no different from the Umno greedy and racist dogs exploiting the endemic Chinese to the hilt like the other running dogs aka Mca dogs and Mic dogs for their big brother aka Umno dogs.

    This Chinese parties have been sodomizing the endemic Chinese for 50 years and this white collar thief has the chicks to go up the stage debating?

    Our looney’s cat has nine lives, how many this white collar Chinese thief have?

    Sigh! This white collar thief is a real disgrace to the Chinese in the world, especially now with China is the all round champions of the Beijing Olympics!

  58. idzan ismail says:

    Musharaf sorry.
    Bamboo river who do you think RPK is?
    Really humorous to even suggest RPK picking his sparring partner.
    Takers? NO ONE

  59. pasta says:

    Strangely, Koh resorted at one point to his almost photographic memory of the dimensions of his former office to defend accusations that he had handed over an almost empty office to Lim after losing in the elections.

    “The Chief Minister’s Office on the 28th floor has more than 14,000 square feet of office space. The CM’s room has more than 2,000 square feet. All the files are kept in the cabinet. The desk may have been empty but that does not mean there were no files,” he said.

    Lim’s reply to that was to stick to his point that he found no files.

    “We had to dig, dig, dig ourselves. But do not worry because when we had no resources in opposition we still managed to uncover scandals, what more when we are in government.”

    But perhaps the moment which underscored the uneasiness in which Koh found himself in tonight was when he was answering a question on how he thought land administration could be improved.

    He said that improving the administration was a continuing process and was an “unending struggle”.

    Perhaps that was not quite the answer that should have been given by a man defending almost two decades in power as chief minister.

  60. pasta says:

    200 chinese will defeat dsai:

    Late yesterday afternoon, Chong Wei visited the badminton court where he used to play in Berapit, near Bukit Mertajam.

    He entered the venue escorted by BN candidate Datuk Arif Shah Omar Shah, Health Minister Datuk Liow Tiong Lai, Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Ismail Sabri Yaakob and his coach Misbun Sidek. About 200 people mostly Chinese waited anxiously to greet the Beijing Olympics silver medallist with lion dance and kompang.
    http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/7954-campaign-gets-olympics-boost

  61. pp voter says:

    This white collar thief should be shameful of himself sleeping with the lustful Umno sodomites who are too pleased to main his rear end, even at this stage the Umno sodomites are in hot soups but still going for broke letting the Umno sodomites main for freehold tenure.

    If he doesn’t gantong himself for all this sins against the endemic Chinese for the 8 years as CM of Penang, we know that this Chinese thief of the Millennium is a coward with no balls, no conscience, no dignity and is a dishonorable disgraceful Chinese.

    No other Chinese in the world can tolerate a disgraceful white collar Chinese thief, let alone go near him!

  62. Anonymous says:

    It seem to me Tan Sri Koh Tsu Koon was playing with words all the time and not addressing the issues for public interest while denying the accusations and desperately trying to protect those people involved in the scam.

    Tan Sri Koh was just too defensive.

  63. selvaraja somiah says:

    It seem to me Tan Sri Koh Tsu Koon was playing with words all the time and not addressing the issues for public interest while denying the accusations and desperately trying to protect those people involved in the scam.

    Tan Sri Koh was just too defensive.

  64. ben says:

    LGE let KTK off the hook. Due to time constraint, LGE should have focus on PGCC. That is the biggest land scam and there many NGOs following this issue.

    In terms of debate, it’s easier to debate on LGE’s side. Nobody, no matter how brilliant can defend a corrupt act. So KTK at best can only divert!

  65. Badawi says:

    While BN and Pakatan Rakyat supporters were launching a by-election warfare in Permatang Pauh, Wanita Gerakan chairman Tan Lian Hoe tossed a bomb out of the blue towards BN, suggesting that her party should pull out of the ruling coalition. The impact of this outburst has not only rocked the BN leadership, but also stirred up powerful reactions within the Chinese community.

    Nevertheless, just as many were showing their thumbs-up to Tan, who is also the deputy information minister, for her fearless remarks, she was immediately seen turning towards UMNO president Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and deputy president Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak to clarify her points, accusing the media of having misquoted her. Her drastic change in attitude took many people by surprise.

    If, as Tan has clarified, that was the proposal passed by some 80% of Perak Wanita Gerakan delegates to pull out of BN, then it was not her fault, as Wanita Gerakan chairman, to express the delegates’ will to BN. If UMNO was still fiddling with the racial issues, was it necessary at all for her to clarify or explain to Abdullah and Najib?

    If those holding high posts do not have the courage to accept the truth, then they shouldn’t be aspiring to become national heroes.

    -Sin Chew Daily

  66. bexe says:

    LGE
    What is holding you back from arresting these crooks? If you have the evidence, go for it. No need for these debates. Charge thyem and debate it in court.

    Koh
    Whatever excuse is of no consequence. You were the boss and the buck stops at you. You are a failure. If you want to regain the moral high ground, put those “mistakes” right. otherwise consider yourself lucky if they don’t come for you. You owe us (all Malaysians) an apology for your breathtaking incompetence.

  67. roy selvan says:

    We all saw the Debate.
    1) What ,I dont agree with YB Lim, Is why did he say he wants to discuss the truth in secret with Tan Sri? Tan Sri said he rather discuss this in Public!
    2) Clearly we can see that Tan Sri has Masters above him.
    3) We will see in the future, how well the C.A.D works.
    4) There are still torns /tissle among the roses which need to be weeded out,see the latest PKR cases
    5) We could see the different between seasoned Politician and Newly Elected.

    Praises to Organises who has arrange the Debate. It is Healthy for this Nation Building. 3 Cheers to you . You are the winner.
    We as the Rakyat always have the God given right as Citizen of this Country to Vote.

    Peace always.

  68. Badawi says:

    1) What ,I dont agree with YB Lim, Is why did he say he wants to discuss the truth in secret with Tan Sri? Tan Sri said he rather discuss this in Public! – roy selvan

    Sometimes give chance to opponent is known as magnanimous in victory.
    Tsu koon will get his chance to go public in court. LGE give him chance meh?

  69. sjchange says:

    What I can say is GERAKAN, MCA, MIC and all the BN parties are losers.
    They have been protecting the evil BUMNO for so long.
    For what?
    They want to “cari makan” lah!!!
    They have created BUMNO MONSTERS!!!

  70. bamboo river says:

    Dear idzan ismail,
    “RPK debate ?” Answer = YES!
    “Representing who ?” Answer = Himself and most of us!
    “What ?” Answer = Pick your topic relevant to his articles.
    “With whom? “Answer = Maybe you?
    “All he knows is Anwar for PM “. Answer = So do most of us who wants a change in Malaysia!

    “It is also interesting to note that you fail to mention that Lim Guan Eng did not answer at all Koh Tsu Koon’s question regarding the issue why the new CM keep hyping on 40 million when he also made a statement that the quarry owner have agreed to a much lower price of less than 2 million.” – Sinatra_Z

    The answer to your above comment, dear Sinatra_Z,

    ………”it is not really 40 million plus it is still in a court case thus it is subjudice.” – Sinatra_Z

    It was a bait thrown in by KTK to LGE. LGE did not take the bait as this will clearly benefit the claimant in court later.
    The Penang state gomen did not intend to pay even 1 sen of the rakyat’s money for a mistake made by the previous state gomen.So, LGE maybe a “akauntan burok” as KTK said , he is sure not a ‘lawyer burok’ to me.

  71. wits0 says:

    The underlining fact remaining is also that of the collective myopia and fault of Penangnite voters to have allowed that KTK those 18 years of muddling along there. I remember my own real pang of dismay the night KTK beat LKS nearly 2 decades ago.

  72. RKP says:

    D Seri Anwar Ibrahim is a victim and not the villain.

    YB Lim Guan Eng is a people’s winner an not a loser.

  73. cribabi says:

    5. If they, the intellectuals think or believe that these kampong people, petty traders and hawkers voted for the opposition because of these ideals, because they have become very mature, because they want to see change, then think again. Go down to the very “unintellectual” level of these ordinary voters and try talking to them about your ideas.

    6. You will find that their concerns are about their cost of living, the price of padi, jobs for them and their children, some of whom are graduates, their small businesses, the little development for their villages and urban slums, their dissatisfaction with their treatment by Government officers and their wakil rakyat not visiting them etc.

    7. Whom do they blame? They blame UMNO and its leaders and the kowtow-ing leaders of MCA, Gerakan, MIC. In particular they blame the Prime Minister, Dato Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.

    8. Why did they blame Abdullah? Their reasoning was simple. Under previous Prime Ministers they were very much better off; the prices of goods did not go up too high, their incomes had increased, the officials were more attentive and so were their wakils etc etc.

    http://test.chedet.com/che_det/2008/08/2008-general-election.html#more

  74. loo seow pek says:

    LGE always talking like he is still the opposition , Can’t blame him LGE – Low Gas Emission

  75. politicanalyst says:

    I’m thinking different from most of the commentators above, as I believe in this debate Koh Tsu Koon had won the debate. Because in my analysis I found out that Lim Guan eng did not actually fully understand oh Koh Tsu Koon statement in the debate; that is why he keep repeating asking the same thing all over again. Don’t believe it, try watching them a bundle times then you might understand why did I said like that. LGE is actually trying to put revenge on KTK, and as KTK said, “Separuh benar, separuh lengkap”. LGE also did not answer 1 question that KTK raised, why?

    And by the way, the organisers should let them speak english. Its quite awkward to see they speak in that kind. HA HA.

  76. loo seow pek says:

    Hahaha (09:30:38) :

    No surprises from this debate. New CM LGE, is introducing CAT to the penanites and the previous CM Koh,

    Say where are you kitty ? LGE introducing Kittykat to the Penangites and Koh . Not Bad me lady !

  77. debat apa? says:

    I watched the debate and still haven’t got a clue how the issue of land scam had been addressed.

    For LGE:-
    1) get on with work. Leave trivial matters to “ma chai” to take care of;
    2) miminise land scam;
    3) work hard for better administration.

    For KSK:-
    1) stop denying responsibility;
    2) stop protecting certain upper people;
    3) work with state govt to bring better future for Penang peope.

    Lastly to KSK – “Sang liang pu chen sia liang why” – if upper level is not right, then lower level is crooked.

  78. cribabi says:

    Some of the comments above give impression Koh Tsu Koon should immediately replace LGE because KSK got High Gas Emission after laying a pipeline with no oil when he was CM.

  79. poppycock says:

    me think, it is time for the new Penang govt to ahead to expose to public all land scam (or others scam/corruptions) from previous govt bcos many time now we have seen n heard LGE’s calling for coperation/help from previous cm.
    since they are not accepting this small branch of olive then i think it is time for LGE to move on with ‘cleaning the house’ if not how can one stay/live/work from a dirty ‘house’.

    l

  80. Born2reign says:

    I for one really appreciate the debates betw Anwar and Slobbery, LGE and Koh. Here we the viewers and voters, get to see who the cowards are (those who aim below the belt) and who are on top of the issues of Malaysians. In both debates, those of BN Klans constantly side-track and squirm around important issues, thinking their below the belt punches are “trimphant” and all these back fire on them.

    I am glad that Lim and Anwar confirm my choice as they are professional and stick to the real issues.

    So when is RPK debating with Najib?😉

  81. suresh says:

    Lim had his questions that needed answers but like you said Koh was defensive and evasive with his political speech self praising his BN government. What I find here is Lim had also wasted his opportunity to get direct relevant answers from Koh.

    Overall Koh managed to entangle Lim to one particular case involving 40mil which was more technical in nature compared to others that showed real elements of corruption.

    LIM WAS PLAIN AND HONEST, KOH WAS EVASIVE AND DEFENSIVE
    LIM WAS PEOPLE ORIENTED AND KOH WAS POLITIC ORIENTED

    MY CHOICE OF COURSE A PERSON WHO IS PEOPLE ORIENTED

  82. Ismandy Hamza says:

    I think it is not fair to judge who wins the debate – whether it is LGE or KTK. Rather what the people want to know is why the land scam involving that much money can happen under the so-called Bersih, Cekap, Amanah policy practised by the BN govt. And no one gets arrested until today for what he/she has done wrong after ALL THESE YEARS! That is what we want to know. Not just rambling around talking nonsense. That is what Lim wants to know too.
    We cannot blame Lim for bringing up these matters before the rakyat. Coz like he said, the people have spoken during the last 12th general election. The answer has already been given. It is crystal clear that the people are tired of those/some corrupt BN leaders squandering millions of RM without any action being taken against them for committing CBT.
    One thing, we cannot blame Lim for what he is. Be it he is the opposition figurehead or now as the CM. He is just being RESPONSIBLE. Not a matter of trying to shoot first before asking!
    He just took office and became CM for 5 months. What do we expect from him? It is good enough that he brings out all these 5 corruption cases that is besetting like cancer in our society. Not to mention other cases that have yet to be brought up!
    Give the new man due credit for what he has done so far. He is doing service/credit to the people and the country. Not a disservice. What are we afraid of? We all listened the debate LIVE and what he said during the debate.
    With all these money, we can do MUCH to help the poor and destitute. (Instead of the money going into the pockets of a handful of corrupt traitors.)
    But without the money how can the PR serve the people well when they are bogged down having to settle and think about the endless corruption cases throughout the country, with regards to P. Pinang – the land scam.
    Koh also said Lim did not answer his question instead giving half truths answers.
    I think Koh is deaf, or is he just ignorant like what he did for the past years being the CM, by not taking actions against the perpetrators who swindle millions of ringgit from the govt coffers.
    Lim has said that he can’t take action against the govt officer concerned now, but transfer him to other dept, because he can’t charge the same person twice for committing the same mistake. Does that not answer Koh’s question?
    The main issue here is, WHY wasn’t action taken during Koh’s era as the CM? He keeps on saying that the matter is still under court proceeding. Like what you said “the same old excuses’.
    Koh said, the problem existed ages ago. So what? There must be tons of evidences out there that can be used to catch the wrongdoers.
    Or unless this land scam involves somebody higher ups that the court just refuses to give priority to the case. I heard the name Patrick Lim was mentioned. Does that name rings the bell! … and who is he connected to?
    I for one, sees that there is double standards practised by the law in this country. When it involves the ruling party or their members, the court will delay proceedings or declare it as a none issue.
    Come on man. This involves MILLIONS of RINGGIT. It is the people’s money. (like Lim said).
    A lot can be used with this much money. And mind you this case will be just swept under the carpet if the rakyat did’t speak up (thru the ballot) and the PR didn’t rule PP.
    I do not resent rich people. As I come from quite a well family background too. Nothing to be bragged about by being Rich. You work hard, so you deserve it. You don’t angkat bodek, to be rich! Its plain simple.
    At the end of the day, you use that money to feed your family, send children to schools and etc. Don’t tell me, you use the dirty money to support your family and partly give to your parents!!!
    REMEMBER! that dirty money becomes your ‘flesh and blood’.
    It is the family upbringing that is important. But what I dislike is some dishonest “filthy rich’ people trying to act more than they deserve and drain this country out of its wealth just to serve their own selfish purpose in life at the expense of others who really are in need of help.
    We must know that to become a leader it is not ‘inherited’ but rather a ‘blessing’ from God for one to hold such position. For HE can take back that blessings anytime when HE feels that you don’t deserve it. HE can do so thru the PEOPLE’S voice of this great nation.
    So don’t misuse this blessing. Learn from past experiences! Be it good or bad.
    Koh was dumped! and so is Gerakan and Keng Yaik. They have fallen from grace. Let them seek solace in defeat. They are History now and are the past. So let’s learn a big lesson from what have transpired. THE PENANG PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.
    But a friendly advice too for the present CM. Let’s hold true to the CAT principle of the Pakatan Rakyat. And lead us ahead thru Leadership by Example.
    Lest you will suffer the same fate as your predecessors by the same people (Penangites) who voted you in as the CM.

  83. Kherry Scarry says:

    Koh Tsu Koon nearly cried at one stage….anyway 2 land scandal issues mentioned, why only defend one, the othe four…not defended ??

  84. TenTigers says:

    They processed hundreds of thousands of applications, etc…in Singapore every year. Not even one was tinted or from a corrupt source. There is so much of bull-shit with the UMNO-BN government, it’s doubtful that they know what the truth looks like.

  85. allen ng says:

    It seems to me that Koh Tsu Khoon is trying to shield somebody from the land scandals.He was subservient to his master,UMNO and he was really trying to cover-up the scandals even though it was admitted by one UMNO’s leader in Penang.Why was he so afraid of UMNO?Gerakan is almost like a history book and I think it is time to expose the misdeeds of his past administration to salvage his dignity and trust towards Penang.

  86. RKP says:

    We heard that DS Wan Azizah is not happy with the ‘dirty’ campaign by Umno/BN
    against her husband DSAI. She is visibly hurt by some of the filthiest comments she ever heard.

    I think we should all go from all over the country and help them out at this trying times for our heroes of democracy. We must not let this bullying happen.

  87. matt says:

    KSK silap bukan salah say’s it all dulu,kini dan selamanya tipu=bn

  88. bamboo river says:

    Ismandy Hamza, well said!

    Kherry Scarry, one sufficed. Other four will be too scarry for him .:-)

    KTK. is up on stage not to defend Gerakan and himself as the ex Chief Minister. He is actually there to deflect not defend issues raised by LGE.
    Nonetheless, both did some good ‘shot on target’

    Is the land scam issue going to be left at it is after this debate? YAB Lim Guan Eng, I hope you can enlighten us.

  89. Hunk says:

    1)How much was the damages (losses) due to the land scams?

    2)Who was responsible and why was there impunity (no action taken against the wrong doers)?

    3) What is the impact of the land scams on the state and people?

    4) Why is it that Koh had refused t meet him to discuss/resolve the land scam issues?

    ____________________________
    My previous comments elsewhere was “always looks confident” in this debate as a whole, for an independent and apolitical observers, Koh wins this debate 2 hands high being reasons in the absence of documentary evidences, Koh has managed not only to debunk LGE’s accusations of corruption during Koh’s administration vis-a-vis the aforesaid questions but LGE runs into Koh’s contrivances in almost every questions Lim deployed.

    Koh cleverly and coyly and repeatedly and stylishly reasoned out that the case
    was being investigated by the ACA and the result of the findings reveals that no corruption took place. Koh furtherance his credibilities by invigorating that
    he even established a committee to sleuth henceforth when the ACA investigation found nobody of any wrongdoing in the land scam. And to add salt to injury, Koh lamented that he refused to discuss the factual matter as it will be subjudice as the matter is still in trial (court)

    The most embarrassing part for Lim Guan Eng was when he charged that Koh tsu khoon refused his invitation to collaborate in investigations onto the land scams when LGE said if Koh refused to go to his office, Lim would go to Koh’s residence to discuss the matter. This is the silliest blunder for LGE when Koh suavely and insinuatingly replied with a smirk on his face that isn’t a televised debate transparent than house visit that could cast many doubts and probable conspiracies of collusion.

    The 2 MCA/ Gerakan chaps who cannot be taken lightly for their oratory trikeries are MCA’s Chua Jui Meng and Koh Tsu Khoon. LGE in the opening 15 minutes looks “black-faced” by insinuations by Dr. Koh. This is the biggest mistake in a debate. Unlike the suavity of Anwar Ibrahim who weaved his head repeatedly and grinned at his opponent enunciating a gesture of effective body language, LGE misses the who point here.

    LGE should have seek “Hunk” as a speech and body language consultant, only then he could have smarted his way out of Koh’s pocket. Whatever the outcome, we can learned that no one’s Barrack Obama, not even Anwar Ibrahim, but almost there by Malaysian standards.😀 This was how Bill Clinton won over Bob Dole for his 2nd term in office when some (American)voters admittedly agreed that Bill’s successes among them was his effective trickeries.😀

  90. toyolbuster says:

    My opinion is that Lim still behaves like he is the opposition leader begging for answers in parliament. Damn it Lim, you are the CM for crying out loud. Go after the corrupt and pressure the ACA endlessly to take action, instead of talking and debating till the cows come home.

  91. Menyalak-er says:

    RKP: “Kak wan is visibly hurt by by some of the filthiest comments she has everheard.” (12:14)
    And they will definitely step up their vulgarities to a higher level!
    The ‘babi’ acronym for ‘barisan anwar bin ibrahim’ is a case to point – it is the lowest pit latrine lingo.
    They are running out of live ammo and are now desperate to use shits as a weapon. The typhoon wind is blowing their way… farts and all.
    Do not worry, dear Lady, we are here to swallow the shits if need be, and spit it back at them.

  92. The debate was rather gentle and mild
    With both parties trying to be ‘polite’
    More like one to educate the young child
    Without actually blasting off with any dynamite

    (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 210808
    http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
    Thu. 21st Aug. 2008.

  93. chris chong says:

    it is an unfair debate as the title of the debate has already put koh into a guity suspect and a defensive situation just like the last debate. if they don’t have the anwers or not ready to disclose the facts, they shouldn’t take in the debate and get themselve into trouble! how silly.

    nevertheless, it’s good to see how good our leaders can speak. and their bahasa is a lot better than most of the umno leaders!!!

  94. Phua Kai Lit says:

    Hi Friends

    My view is that it does not matter if the debate went
    “off-topic” or whatnot.

    Its importance, like the Great Debate between Anwar and
    the (Dis)Information Minister, is that there is now a PRECEDENT for
    debates between politicians from opposing camps in Malaysia.
    Also, that they debated each other without trying to physically grab at the othre guy’s throat.

    This is good for Malaysian democracy. Now, ordinary Joes like us can watch
    and decide for ourselves whom to believe/support/boo/ridicule etc 🙂

    Now, I would like to see a debate between AAB and Anwar Ibrahim.
    Or between Najib and Anwar. That would be the day, wouldn’t it?
    (Especially a debate between AAB and Anwar!)

  95. KC Ong says:

    It’s a waste of time watching over the so called “Debat”. No sustantial solution, except for many “uncertainties”.

    Basically, I found LGE is very arrogant guy. Meantime, KTK is positioned at the “lossing” edge because he was barred from refering to those “questionable” quiries. That means KTK has been questioned by the police or auditor (LGE). Sigh….

    In my opinion, LGE should not be too boastful on what he has found on those past “Big” issues. I would suggest LGE to spend more valuable time to turn around the economic of Penang. And ask him dun be “too much” and like to “show-off”.

  96. idzan ismail says:

    Yoo Hoo boys and girls

    I saw om TV just now Ariff Shah speaking Hokkien.
    Wow. I am impressed.
    How are you saudara Anwar?
    I told my relatives in Permatang Pauh (about 50) to vote for Ariff.
    Enough to let Anwar lose by a moustache.
    Wakaka.

  97. kittykat46 says:

    Ariff Shah is just an UMNOputra who knows how to say “Ketuanan Melayu” in Hokkien. The Chinese community won’t be so easily hoodwinked this time.

    He can continue with his ADUN service centre in Jalan Baru.

  98. matt says:

    And i recommend the guy with 50 relatives to look after his service center when he loses ariff i mean.

  99. wits0 says:

    Ariff Shah can also swear to promote Hokkein Mee as well but he’ll be discarded just like Chew Mei Fun.

    Whatta lousy cheapie gimmick!

  100. idzan ismail says:

    Dear Matt

    I am a lady. Proud to be one. Also proud to be a non-devotee of Anwar

  101. monsoon says:

    Khairy “evil expert” FIL got new job for SIL: corpse caterer

  102. monsoon says:

    I am a lady. Proud to be one. Also proud to be a non-devotee of Anwar – idzan ismail

    You very lucky. This bugger in trouble:

    We act for Dato’ Seri Anwar bin Ibrahim.

    On or about 19 August 2008, you uttered and caused to be published in the Kwong Wah Jit Poh chinese newspaper, an article captioned “Anwar Harrassed My Wife” (‘the article’) which referred to our client. Inter alia, the article contained the following defamatory words about our client:

    “Deputy Housing and Local Government Minister Datuk Hamzah Zainuddin revealed that Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim harassed (kacau) his wife in 1998. Anwar wanted to take advantage of his friend’s wife even though they were still best friends. Therefore, he thinks that the voters should not vote for Pakatan Rakyat under the helm of such person.” (translated by qualified translator) (hereinafter known as “the impugned words”)

    http://malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/11618/84/#jc_writeComment

  103. Menyalak-er says:

    Didn’t watch, didn’t want to watch this debate btween LGE vs KTK.
    Didn’t see the point, ‘cuz doesn’t serve to do anything, although most would disagree wih me: more of ‘i said, u said’… thingy.
    Wah, power-ah idzan (13:34), yg. not-so-Ariff’s Komtar Hokkien?
    Makes no difference to my ‘nenek-moyang’ and 500 relatives in P.P., they’ll still vote for Anwar. Maybe their Hokkien a little bit karak oredi…, but they’re willing to part of an ‘rogue’ wave of reform…
    They don’t even care who this KhanJi fella is – esp. talking about burying others alive, real porridge brains who somehow escaped from UiTM to Oxford and then enter L4 thru’ some device or other… sheesh.

  104. matt says:

    Don’t worry idzan no matter but just to find out since kj says he doesn’t take his coffee boy any ideas from your side to who his coffee boy is.

  105. Phua Kai Lit says:

    Hi Friends

    (I posted this comment previously in the wrong place.
    Excuse me for posting it again)

    I just read the latest headlines in Malaysiakini
    and Malaysian Insider.

    In Malaysiakini, Khairy says he and his camp will “bury” Anwar
    My comment: Wishful thinking of the highest order!

    In Malaysian Insider, the report is that AAB took the
    LRT in Serdang to check out the quality of its service
    My comment: The Prime Minister of Malaysia has too much time on his hands?
    No “machai” to do this for him?

    Malaysian politics is getting more and more amusing by the day!

  106. Hahaha says:

    Hey loo chi pek, is your ass getting itching and needed to be stuffed. Look for uncle pete!

  107. hamid says:

    Badawi take LRT? Aiyah habislah.
    The useless man even kentot in public when he sleeps, loose backside.

  108. Menyalak-er says:

    Hi Phua Kai Lit,
    Amusing? Humor? Hahaha… its going to be hilarious, my friend, when Dopey and 7 dwarves show up this weekend! Pretending to visit Kepala Batas airport and pit-latrines me thinks…
    Cheers.

  109. Phua Kai Lit says:

    Hi Menyalak-er

    I think our good kaki bodek (oops … I mean our Ministers) will follow the PM’s example very fast e.g.

    1. Minister X goes to your neighbourhood food court to see how much
    nasi lemak, Hainanese chicken rice and roti canai RM10 will buy these days
    (“I feel for the ordinary consumer in these days of high prices”)

    2. Minister Y will drive to the petrol station in his borrowed Kancil and
    pump up a full tank of petrol and see how much it costs
    (“Don’t worry, the Govt will reduce the petrol price soon”)

    etc. etc. etc.

  110. matrix says:

    Sloone,

    I watched the debate live on NTV7 (hope it is truly live) and followed the debate attentively.

    Appreciate your efforts in commenting each segment of the debate, complete with your opnion/comments but i wonder why some of the facts you have quoted not the same as what i heard from the live broadcast, perhaps your version is more original cos you were there live! but incidentally the not so correct facts are to the credit of LGE, smilling….

    Overall it’s a let down – my verdict\

    LGE
    1) Didn’t come with complete facts (at least he is appears so over the debate)
    2) Keep on repeating himself on the same points over and over again, to the extend gave the impression like being a spoiled/hardheaded child making demands from his father. Did you guys take note that he totally skip the question post to him by KTK?
    3) He come looking for anwers rather than debating on facts/points/thoughts. He should have complete his homeworks first, or else is a waste of public money, afterall he is expected to be well prepared beforehand.

    KTK
    1) He has been let off the hook!
    2) Been given too easy challenge to overcome

  111. xy says:

    would it a better use of CM’s time in improving the economy and governance instead of engaging in these debates ?

    if current judiciary is not enough, set up an independent commission to investigate.

  112. sudirman says:

    xy: if current judiciary is not enough, set up an independent commission to investigate.

    Pm will listen to you? Itu Lingam pun dia tak boleh selesai.

  113. xy says:

    sudirman,

    i would not disagree with you on that.

    but one thing at a time, propose it and let them reject if they want to. It would count as a positive for them.

    what I want to say is it is better for CM to spend his time in improving the economy and efficiency of the local government, he is in the driver seat and the clock is ticking.

  114. sudirman says:

    KUALA LUMPUR: The Umno disciplinary board has received 226 complaints, including on money politics, since the party’s branch meetings were held from July 17 to Wednesday, with 33 of them referred to the investigation panel.

    The board’s chairman Tengku Tan Sri Rithaudeen Ismail said the 33 cases were referred for further investigation, while 13 cases needed more proof and 49 were categorised as “no further action”.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    33+13+49 = 95 mana sampai 226

    Rithaudeen tak bole kira.

  115. sudirman says:

    xy – It would count as a positive for them.

    O i c. Maksud do for show ya. Ok.

  116. xy says:

    sudirman,

    sorry typo. “..it wouldn’t count as a positive for them, would it?..”

  117. xy says:

    “KUALA LUMPUR: The Umno disciplinary board has received 226 complaints, including on money politics, since the party’s branch meetings were held from July 17 to Wednesday, with 33 of them referred to the investigation panel.”,….sudirman.

    Wow, that’s abt 7 complaints a day ! (guess there are multiple complaints on a single case, otherwise Rith has forgotten arithmatics).

    in the current heat, one complaint abt money politics is one TOO MANY and should be dealt with publicly and swiftly. Further investigation and more investigation until all is MIA. They have definitely lost track with the people.

  118. Gerakkan says:

    Abdullah should suspend Felcra Bhd Chairman Hamzah Zainuddin and call in the Anti-Corruption Agency until Hamzah could satisfy public queries about the integrity of the sources of his tens of millions of ringgit of assets as revealed by a RM11.2 million divorce settlement ordered by Perak syariah high court
    http://www.dapmalaysia.org/all-archive/English/2004/apr04/lks/lks2972.htm

    Kacau isteri: Anwar ancam saman Hamzah RM10 juta
    Aug 21, 08 3:14pm
    http://www1.malaysiakini.com/news/88240

  119. suchfun says:

    People of permatang pauh, greet LCW, do Lion dance, be happy, or whatever, but just DO NOT vote for bn, vote PKR !
    Think LGE debate better than KTK. A scam is a scam, cannot argue lah!, listeners not 4 year old kids lah!

  120. sjchange says:

    KSK AND OTHERS ALWAYS THE LOSERS.
    IF HE IS STILL A HUMAN,
    HE SHOULD CONDEMN WHAT BUMNO DID.
    TOO MUCH!!!

    KSK,

    IT’S NOT WHO IS RIGHT BUT WHAT IS RIGHT!!!

  121. suchfun says:

    If can solved 999 cases that make the state collect say RM 4 million in fees, tax etc, but blunder at 1 case that cost the state to lost RM 40 million, does not mean 99.9% success! but 90% failure!

  122. xy says:

    @ suchfun :

    “..If can solved 999 cases that make the state collect say RM 4 million in fees, tax etc, but blunder at 1 case that cost the state to lost RM 40 million, does not mean 99.9% success! but 90% failure!…”

    What failure ? It works successfully, in fact that’s the “system”.

    The 999 cases are those who took crumbs and and are meant to be sacrificed.

    The billion rm guy has the resource to share and to command. He owns the system.

  123. Jt says:

    It dosen’t matter who won the debate, LGE or KSK. Just observe their body language. LGE trying hard to ferret out answers from Koh. Koh so very arrogant and full of himself. He thinks he has done well as CM for Penang when it has been a disaster for Penangites under him.
    Whatever, we are glad that we now finally have a CM like LGE who stands for integrity, honesty, commitment, diligence, colour-blind, justice just like his father.

  124. MIM says:

    KUALA LUMPUR: A “new” Cabinet list with named “Jemaah Menteri Malaysia 2008” is being circulated at the Parliament Lobby here with Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim as the Prime Minister.

    No body claimed ownership to the list, which also features Lim Kit Siang (DAP – Ipoh Timur) as Deputy Prime Minister cum Internal Security Minister, R. Sivarasa (PKR – Subang) as another Deputy Prime Minister also looking after law and judiciary and Datuk Seri Yong Teck Lee, also the Deputy Prime Minister from Sabah/ Sarawak.

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/8/21/nation/20080821142814&sec=nation

  125. wai kay says:

    With all due respect, I think Koh Tsu Koon won the debate. I noticed that most of the people who commented on this post (as well as in other places) are heavily biased towards Lim Guan Eng. It appears to me that these people have already made up their mind who the winner was before the debate even started.

    Koh Tsu Koon was on the defensive? Well, that’s hardly surprising, considering how Lim Guan Eng was perpetually on the offensive. An attack warrants a defence, no?

    Koh Tsu Koon was able to handle the question thrown at him well, leaving Lim Guan Eng unable to think of further points to counterattack. On the other hand, Lim Guan Eng did not answer the question KTK posed to him, and went on to talk about things that are entirely irrelevant.

    LGE kept repeating a point about an officer who was left only with a warning, when KTK had already said that no action could be done unless investigations showed that the fault was his.

    LGE also managed to throw in some fiery, crowd-pleasing — but totally irrelevant rhetoric. For example, the comment about BN losing the March 8 elections because of corruption. That was nice for supporters to hear, but not relevant to the issue at hand.

    When KTK managed to address the RM40mil case, LGE failed to shift the attention to the other 4 cases he mentioned in the beginning.

    It was also quite unclear what point LGE was trying to make with regards to the land scams.

    If you were to assess debating skills alone, Koh Tsu Koon was the clear winner last night. Lim Guan Eng was simply a terrible debater.

  126. MIM says:

    As in the Anwar-Shaberry Cheek Debate, Koh resorted to personal attacks on YAB LIM from the word go. Koh’s attacks were very personal that he even referred to YAB Lim as an ‘Accountant buruk’. YAB Lim to his credit did not hit below the belt as Mosquitoman Koh did at every opportunity. KOH THE MOSQUITOMAN SIMPLY COULDN’T PULL HIMSELF TOGETHER AFTER GETTING SQUASHED OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY THE PROLIFIC YAB LIM GUAN ENG!

    It appears very clear from the Debate that Koh was covering for some very powerful Umno individuals related to the Penang land scam issue. Mosquitoman Koh claimed that all the Secret Files were left in the Chief Ministers Office when he vacated from the 28th Floor of Komtar. Koh then tried to accuse YAB of hearsay by saying that if the files were not there, how the PR Government could know about the impropriates in the land issues. YAB Lim’s response to this was a gem. YAB Lim said, “Even when we were in the Opposition, we knew where to dig for information, so what more when we are in Government.”

    Mosquitoman was obviously covering up a lot of things, so much so that at times he appeared to loose his composure. As a Penangite, I feel really cheated and embarrassed that we had such a nincompoop for a Chief Minister for so many years. And as a Penangite, I support the current Penang Government to expose all the Scandals that this puny Umno lap dog Moquitoman is trying to hide. As far as The Scribe is concerned; YAB Lim Guan Eng thrashed Koh Tsu Koon in the Debate.

    Even during his teachingdays at Universiti Sains Malaysia (USM), Tsu Koon was famous for his note taking habitduring Faculty meetings but could give little in ideas. This product of the famous Chung Ling High School crunches on facts and figures but has no real idea whatthose facts and figures are telling him.

    Even though he was Penang CM, the realperson running the State was the Deputy CM from Umno. In essence, Tsu Koon was apuppet. That’s why there was no managing of ethics during his stewardship. That’s why when the Pakatan Rakyat Government took over the State, there were skeletons all over theplace left behind by the BN/Umno regime.

    http://margeemar.blogspot.com/

  127. calvin tan says:

    LGE, pls get back to work & prosper PG, instead of harping on past issues unless u can get those millions back,i would advise u to moved forward & brings glory back to PG. bcoz penangites r expecting alot from u. those scumbags have absconded with the ill-gotten billions & living lavishly overseas. u think u can recover those billions , i doubt.

  128. Hemptress says:

    Who is Koh Tsu Koon? A morally corrupt person. Until today he has not taken Disciplinary action against S. Paranjothy the Gerakan Youth Chief which he promised to UMNO in December last year.

    What kind of leader is this KSK who threatened the indians only because the UMNO malays were sodomising him. For 18 years he sat behind his desk and played with his marbles only.

  129. Ptui says:

    Ptui to KSK!!!

  130. Ptui says:

    PENANG: Gerakan Youth vice-chief S. Paranjothy could be sacked or suspended for stirring up feeling of unpleasantness among the multi-racial community and Barisan Nasional, said acting party president Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon.

    Dr Koh said Paranjothy would face the disciplinary committee and central working committee for making racially-sensitive remarks. Paranjothy was quoted in Internet media as saying that the Indians were treated as fourth-class citizens.

    Hishammuddin had expressed regret over the remark made by Paranjothy, and demanded that Gerakan explain itself.

    “Paranjothy has violated the party’s ethics and the Barisan Nasional spirit with his statement. “It is wrong for him to attack any BN component party in such a harsh and open manner and with words which may hurt the feelings of others.

    “Therefore, we have decided to initiate action against him,” Koh, who is also Penang chief minister, said at a press conference in the state Gerakan headquarters here.

    He said it was the party’s decision to act against Paranjothy based on what the latter had said. “What we did has nothing to do with any pressure from other groups,” he said in reference to a statement by Umno Youth chairman Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein, who called for Gerakan to explain its stand on Paranjothy’s remarks.
    _______________________________________________________________

    PTUI KSK!!!!!!!!

  131. Ptui says:

    Hahaha this KSK has no backbone. He should be called – “Brokeback KSK”

  132. Ptui says:

    French reporter submits memo condemning attack
    http://www1.malaysiakini.com/news/88232

    Is he also following up on the submarine scandal and Altantunya murder in which Najis Tun Razak is mentioned?

  133. wits0 says:

    KTK is what he is but the Penang electorate who kept him there for 18 long years are also responsible.

  134. proverb says:

    Proverbs 21:24

    Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath.

    What is the most depraved character in Proverbs? The fool? The odious woman? The angry man? The strange woman? The slothful man? No! It is the scorner (26:12)! Fools, odious women, angry men, adulteresses, and slothful men can be helped; but an arrogant and angry scorner defies correction and instruction. Lady Wisdom, representing the God of heaven, says to avoid them, for you will only waste your time and start a fight (9:7-8).

    Because a scorner will not humble himself, and because he despises those that try to correct and instruct him, there is no hope for him (13:1; 14:6; 15:12; 24:9). If you want peace and unity in any setting, then you need to get rid of scorners (22:10). To help keep fools from becoming scorners, and to teach them some wisdom, scorners must be punished publicly (19:25; 21:11). Good men despise and hate scorners (24:9; Ps 15:4).

    What is a scorner? He is a defiant rebel that will not be corrected or instructed by others. In fact, he despises and hates anyone that tries to reprove or teach him (9:7-8). He is so arrogant in his conceit that he has less potential for learning wisdom than a fool, which is saying a lot (26:12; 27:22)! Rather than seek peace or wisdom, he wickedly tries to find fault in others’ lives (Is 29:20-21). His life is marked by ruined relationships and trouble.

    What is a proud and haughty scorner? He is a defiant rebel that has extra arrogance and anger! These vile creatures mock their teachers, sneer at correction, and slander anyone that disagrees with them. Because they presume their superiority to all others, they will backbite or tattle about anyone, without regard for God or man. When confronted or offended, they explode with haughty rage and vindictive plans and actions.

    What did Jesus Christ think of scorners? He said they did not deserve to hear His gospel. He called them dogs and pigs, and He told His disciples to keep the truth from them (3:34; 23:9; 26:11; Matt 7:6). He especially despised the scornful Pharisees for their religious pride. He told His disciples that God would root them out, and that they and their followers could fall into the ditch of heresy and judgment together (Matt 15:12-14).

    Are you a scorner? It is not hard to tell. Do you appreciate being corrected, or do you prefer debating? Do you love making peace, or defending your so-called rights? Do you enjoy ignoring others’ sins against you, or do you get angry when confronted or offended? Do you think you have learned a lot in life and would be a better teacher than listener? Do you always have an excuse for your actions? Are you a backbiter of others? Do you resent being told you are wrong? Can you do most everything better than others?

    Scorn is a terrible sin. You came into this world knowing nothing, and now you will despise your teachers? You are a rabid dog! Pride and anger are the foundation for scorn. Conceit is self-deceiving and self-destructive (26:12; Jer 17:9); and anger is the violent and dangerous outburst of an unruled spirit (25:28; 27:4). God rightly names you a proud and haughty scorner – one of the most despicable combinations of terms in the Bible.

    The opposite of a scorner is a wise man. He loves to be reproved and taught, because he knows they are the only means to more wisdom. He loves those who correct and teach him, for without them he will not make any progress (9:8; 27:5-6; Ps 141:5). He thinks poorly of his opinions, and he does not get angry when offended. He puts the best construction on the actions of others, and He easily forgives and overlooks their faults.

    Reader, the God of heaven has condemned you with a terrible name! If your dealings with others involve pride and wrath, He cannot stand your spirit or your actions. He will soon destroy you, for He cannot endure the proud and lofty, those that are lifted up (Is 2:12). The blessed God of heaven, the only wise God, looks to those who have poor and contrite spirits, and who tremble at His word (Is 66:2). Does this describe your dealings?

    It is easy to tell if you are guilty of pride and wrath. How well do you get along with others? Do you easily get offended and angry? Do you criticize others quickly? Are you known for backbiting? Do you blow up when contradicted or rebuked? Are you known for bluster or grace in your speech? Humble yourself today and confess your great evil! For you are not living like those that are named the sons of God (Phil 2:14-16).

  135. To the people of Penang state, I admit I am envious of you having a brand new and more promising Chief Minister in the package of YAB LGE.

    Sitting 12 feet away from the TV, I could still sense his aura and distinction engulfing my living room.

    Congratulations, Penang.

  136. wits0 says:

    Ptui: “Hahaha this KSK has no backbone. He should be called – “Brokeback KSK””

    But he never had one, never grew one, never saw the need for one, coming from his type of personal environment, conditioning, upbringing and subsequent Gerakan promotioning. His past good Karma enabled him and his worldly successs but his essential lack of real character have to plainly surface later.

  137. Menyalak-er says:

    Ah proverb (18:46), if we could only get Lady Sophia here in this nation…
    The scorners and mockers ruin us, but His Spirit is eternal.
    The Armor is in place.

  138. machitam says:

    just look at jack johan”s face…..sometime smile….cynically and lot of times blushing. wonder what he’s thinking. maybe literally there is a hidden agenda in agendadaily.com i.e to see PR fumble. i think so. but LGE message is clear…..combat corruptions and help the rakyat.

  139. ktteokt says:

    More like “Jellyfish KSK”!

  140. road smoke says:

    Can someone tell me where is this Gani Patail. His blood brother Musa Hassan has gone for a bypass.

  141. wow wee says:

    LGE does not proof any points with facts and figures except throwing allegations against KTK.

    40millions., 100billions and so on of what? where are the facts? NONE !.
    any school boy can also say such things in any school debate. LGE’s mentality is to accuse, accuse and accuse. (typical oppositions)

    let see if LGE can really do it in ONE YEAR from today to eradicate poverty in Penang. if he fails, he should eats his dog’s shit and join his dad and stays a cry baby.

    KTK was well compose and answered very well to all the accusations wisely. KTK is man of wisdom.

    wish all the best to KTK for his very outstanding performance in polishing the pearl of the orient to what it is today. LGE may not have a second chance in the next election the way i see it.

  142. Menyalak-er says:

    Dunno, road smoke – maybe went for the lowpass, but yeah not a peep or poop from him in recent days. Wonder of wonders…

  143. drsam says:

    As I see it, LGE is a much better leader than most of the BN s***bags. Though I am a Malay, I have much respect for this man. Najib should learn from this man!

  144. sosong says:

    KTK is simply too soft, easy made use of by UMNO, can only kowtow to UMNO. If he is a man of substance, Gerakan should hv left bn long ago.
    LGE also look soft, but he is still new, 5 months is too short to assess a person for that post of a CM.

  145. Keep it up ! Lim.
    You are fully supported by us.
    Don’t fail anak-anak bangsa Malaysia.

    ======================================================
    “Koh tried (very hard) to justify the alleged corruption related to land deals in the previous state government, saying: “In these 18 years (when he governed Penang from the 28th floor in KOMTAR), …………………………….”
    “If there were about 5-7 errors (referring to the scandals brought up by Lim), it still means our performance rate was 99.9 percent,” he exclaimed. Some people actually clapped in response to that!

    Wow. So, its okay to have scandals?

    Lim replied correctly: “Even if there were one scandal involving millions, I would be very worried”.
    ======================================================

    What he(Koh) meant to make an error is ok, if the percentage is low.
    He did know that the selective error (0.01% ) he mentioned was a big and costly land scam compare to the rest ?!
    I m sure he knew it this scandal well.

    What lah…….. a cheapskate like him
    This has shown that a professor like him ~ low in quality, high in lies making and a pariah.

    Shame on you “Koh” !
    Even kids behave better than him.

    RAKYAT the Power of Nation

  146. Unskewed says:

    To David

    Ok fine the topic for the nite IS about landscams. But Lim COULD have chosen a broader topic. Only an accountant would look at micro and historical issues and pick at every single imperfection.

    Governments are run by humans, so hence susceptible to human fallabilities. No govt in the world is perfect. The US govt themselves have battled through the Watergate scandal, involving financial crime of gazillions of taxpayers dollars and extensive network of political cover ups. And Italian prime minister Berlusconi and his cabinet ministers have a string of criminal records, like tax fraud, mafia connections etc but somehow miraculously always get acquitted by court. The same would apply to either BN or Pakatan govt. To run a govt, you’d need to have intelligence, far-sightedness, honesty & integrity. Watching last night’s debate didn’t give me the sense that Lim possess enough of all of these qualities. Are u totally comfortable in letting this backward-looking guy rule the state? Come on…be honest. While the BN govt has its failings and corruption here and there (which govt doesn’t?), I still think that we have achieved a lot, given that we’ve only been independent for 51 yrs. Hence, we shouldn’t so brutal in condemning them.

  147. rozlan says:

    The debaters should supported their arguments with more facts..Sometime I myself was at loss on some parts of the debates…I noticed that YAB LGE look confident and DS Dr Koh look a bit unsettled..

    Anyway I hope such healthy debates should go on for the benefit of the people..

  148. Ptui says:

    But Lim COULD have chosen a broader topic. – unskewed

    Agendadaily chose the topic. You can go see them with your BN card and your complaints to them as they are a BN outfit:
    http://www.akubetul.com/2007/07/malaysia-today-vs-agenda-daily.html

    They will appreciate your intelligence.
    Ptoooi!

  149. Bigjoe says:

    Debates are not for looking into details of cases. It can’t. Debates are like movie version of classic literature. You get the gist of it but you can’t get the fine details and richness of it. You think you can understand Shakespeare by watching movies of it?

    So those who criticize LGE for not busting open everything KTK put up as his defense. Get real. LGE kept his cool, did not get dragged out by details, and sold the ‘big picture’ i.e, a blockbuster. Its pretty good leadership and execution…

  150. lokgp says:

    LGE lost the debate. Failing to answer questions posted by the Koh. Showing his incompetence and unpreparedness for the debate. Giving lame answers like “when were opposition we can also find out, now we as government sure can find out” This is simply to lame for a state leader. LGE could have just tell Koh how he found out, and there is no need to conceal it.

    LGE keeps on sensationalising the tsunami and also the korek korek korek thing. Whereas Koh proceeed with facts and figures. Hey, everyone makes mistake, of 10,000 papers if 7 of them are misakes, that is just common. They can try to reduce mistake and I am sad to say the mistake cost us 40 million.
    But mistake…. is why we call it a mistake, similar to accident.

    LGE lacks the credibility as the CM right now, that’s what I noticed right now.

    But we will see, 4 years from now, the results of the New Government. Results will be our judge.

    What is the point of sensationaling a news and lots of expose if the culprit is not found, the case is not brought to court, and the culprit not charged and jailed, the issue remain unresoved and damaged not reduced, and preventions of similar cases not put in place.
    It is only to shame the previous BN government and promote the new PR Government. We gain nothing but lots of bad news to fill up the newspapers.

    My 2 cents.

  151. humidor says:

    2 cents can send back to BNM. tak laku sekarang

  152. TheWrathOfGrapes says:

    /// road smoke (20:36:41) :
    Can someone tell me where is this Gani Patail. His blood brother Musa Hassan has gone for a bypass. ///

    Gone for a brain bypass? Oops, sorry, I forgot – that was performed many years ago.

  153. hutchrun says:

    Dint do much good but made it worse. Hmmm probly incompatibility.

  154. wits0 says:

    “Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said yesterday there was no directive from him to the previous Penang government to extend the repayment period for Business Focus Sdn Bhd (BFSB) when he was the deputy prime minister and finance minister in 1997.”
    http://malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/11640/84/

    B4 Koh threw that one, he should have thought of this eventuality…the matter of simple proof.

  155. hutchrun says:

    As a Tan Sri he has to prove he`s an idiot. The other Tan Sri is a salivator.
    What a collection the Gerakan has.

  156. wits0 says:

    Idiot with maybe double PhDs and a long string of academic qualifications. Goes to show how such “achievements” usually translates into on the ground via Gerakan.

  157. hutchrun says:

    Koh Tsu Koon reminds of this famous joke:

    A pair of 1930s Jews, sitting on a park bench in Berlin were reading the newspapers. The first Jew notices that the second Jew is reading Der Stürmer, the infamous Nazi weekly. Incredulous, he asks why.

    “When I read the Yiddish paper,” the second Jew explains, “all I hear about is bad news: pogroms, riots in Palestine. This paper says we run all the banks, dominate the arts, and are on the verge of dominating the world. It makes me feel a lot better.”

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  160. Feroz Merican says:

    When will Gerakan leave Barisan and go back to the opposition? Staying with Umno is madness. We need Gerakan in the opposition so that Dap and Gerakan can stop Pas from doing the damage that will occur when Pas is in the Government. If they care a tiny bit about the Chinese Gerakan should leave BN for the good of the people and the country. Anything else would be a betrayal and will lead to disaster and bloodshed.

  161. Menyalak-er says:

    Hi Feroz,
    Thr rot starts from the top/head in the case of Gerakan. That KSK chap is very myopic, lily-livered, self serving and a bodek-er. You can feel his fearful tremors in the presence of the more assertive bumno (like ex-AP queen). He’s not about to quit easily.
    I think if the Gerakan members are willing, they should instead disband/leave their presently irrelevant party and join DAP (or PKR) on an individual basis.
    Anyway, PAS will be PAS, its a question of who’s going to take over from T.G. Nik Aziz?
    It’s a dangerous equation no doubt, but i think cooler heads will prevail. Maybe i’ll hold my breath on this.

  162. machitam says:

    Feroz Merican wrote ” We need Gerakan in the opposition so that Dap and Gerakan can stop Pas from doing the damage that will occur when Pas is in the Government.”

    please explain “the damage will occur”? bumno is successful in instilling the fear of PAS. i’m curious to know what are the “fear”. MCA chinese buried the “fear” of bumno and tag along with for 50 yrs.

    just for update, PAS veteran leadership are in dilemma on the voice of their youth questioning PAS undecided direction.

    which is the right way? which direction? are we not yet see the light at the end of the tunnel?

    mentalak-er “Anyway, PAS will be PAS, its a question of who’s going to take over from T.G. Nik Aziz?
    It’s a dangerous equation no doubt, but i think cooler heads will prevail. Maybe i’ll hold my breath on this”

    i have been holding my breath for too long……when will we can breath normally?

  163. wira says:

    Anyone in power who makes the running of government transparent will have my support.

    It is transparency that will prevent government powers, be they politicians or civil servants, from doing hanky panky things behind our backs.

    I’m disappointed that KTK’s government failed in that respect for which he should take the wrap since he was the head of last government.

  164. Jari Emas says:

    “Koh said :In these 18 years……….If there were about 5-7 errors, it still means our performance rate was 99.9 percent.

    Sorry, no KSK. I am from Penang. This is not an 0.1 % error story , I thought we are talking about the land scandal issues. It could cause Penang people millions of dollar loss. It shouldn’t have happened, not even one case. 99.9 % performance rate and you proud of it? but Penang people will suffer because of you.

  165. Nadia Ismail says:

    both were had very impressive oratory skills. start of a journey. hope next debates will be better.

    to be expected each will take a swipe at another…but it’s a good start for both sides…..

  166. loo seow pek says:

    monsoon (14:12:10) :

    I am a lady. Proud to be one. Also proud to be a non-devotee of Anwar – idzan ismail

    You very lucky. This bugger in trouble:

    What trouble monsoon , Don’t think you are smart eh ! Just because idzan is a lady you also trying to harass her ! Think twice ok !

  167. loo seow pek says:

    machitam (15:00:38) :MCA chinese buried the “fear” of bumno and tag along with for 50 yrs.

    What 50 years? Don’t give me that crap , what were you doing for the last 50 years ? Suddenly woke up from your coma to realise you have been fubard !!

  168. loo seow pek says:

    Hunk (12:27:31) :

    Its a very well written unbiased factual comment so far in all the comments posted .
    Futher I wish to add that was missing in all the commentators and that is :

    Koh on winding up the debate a piece which prompted the other group to shout out of line , well I think it is in line and that is : When Guan Eng became the CM he decided he stay at his residence in Island Glades for the reason he did not want to burden the rakyat as the cost of repairing the Rumah Tetamu as it is call or the official CM’s residence is RM300000 to make it fit for a CM to live in . Koh then mentioned that Guan Eng has moved in to stay at the official residence and the cost of repairs is Rm30000 less . That is to say the actual cost is RM270000 and in the first place it was he LGE who proclaimed he would not spend three hundred thousand of tax payers money to renovate his official residence ! That left LGE flabbergasted and red faced ! So what does that imply ? you make your guess ? Same as Pak Lah cakap tak serupa bikin , Talking and not doing it ! same boat !!!

  169. machitam says:

    “Rumah Tetamu as it is call or the official CM’s residence is RM300000 to make it fit for a CM to live in.”

    a house owner complaint that a thief broke into the house and “stole” rm300,000…and this crazy apek suddenly barge in and with his confusedism teachings commented that the house is beutiful ah..ah ok lah…

  170. loo seow pek says:

    machitam (23:20:56) :
    “Rumah Tetamu as it is call or the official CM’s residence is RM300000 to make it fit for a CM to live in.”
    Don’t twist my statement by shortening it smart guy !

    CM he decided he stay at his residence in Island Glades for the reason he did not want to burden the rakyat as the cost of repairing the Rumah Tetamu as it is call or the official CM’s residence is RM300000 to make it fit for a CM to live in.

    I repeat the cost of repairing the rumah tetamu is 300000 ringgit , get it ! .

    This apek is not crazy maybe its people like you and I did not comment that the house is beautiful , don’t put words in my mouth, asshole !!

  171. loo seow pek says:

    machitam (15:00:38) :

    i have been holding my breath for too long……when will we can breath normally?

    Do you need to ? Better for you to stop breathing easier that way !

  172. Malaysian says:

    I would agree that the debate did alert the rakyat about scandles.But, make sure that money is recovered and back to the Government.

    Besides, why not that Pakatan Rakyat have another round of debate with the ACA on why is it that our country have so many unsolved scandles of these nature and what plans they have in-stalled to preveny it from happening again.

    If possible, i believe that Pakatan Rakyat should hold another one round with the Jabatan Audit.

    How come that such things happen for so long and no one know about it?
    Did they discover? If yes, did they mention it in the audit report?

    If both also can not give a rationale answer, might as well close off the Department.

  173. Bigjoe says:

    Yesterday, trying to stem the tide of Gerakan member call for pull-out of BN, KTK gave his reply – we pull out and we get cheered but then a few months later, we will have no place to stand…

    I was thinking – Are Gerakan members Ah Pek, Ah Mahs at the local pasar and coffee shops? Talk about not answering critics… At a time when Gerakan members need leadership and visionary answer, he talk to them like they were bumpkins?

    KTK being the unprincipled geek all his life confuses the fact his bosses was listening to him that others think he is smart. Now that his bosses are not listening to him, he will find no one really think he is smart…

    The issue for Gerakan is that their future looks bleak. Its clear they will not take back Penang in 4 years. There is just that much room for PR to manouver.. So it will take at least 8/9 years at least before they can make a comeback. But by then, even if their machinery survive, they will find that they have lost ground to MCA and UMNO and will end up with little voice like Sabah parties at best. If that is acceptable then fine but its likely Gerakan members think its worst than death to end up like the Ibans and Kadazans..

    But does the geek get it? He never did and he forgot he never did…

  174. rajes says:

    – we pull out and we get cheered but then a few months later, we will have no place to stand…KTK

    Now he show his yellow streak up the spine. He has been lying down all the while UMNO enter him. 18 years cannot stand now how can stand lah?

  175. Feroz Merican says:

    Machitam, “please explain the damage that will occur”?? Haven’t you been reading the papers? Who is against innocent entertainment like Avril Levigne? DAP, Gerakan or Pas? Today it will be a concert, tomorrow a movie, the day after, the Lion dance, who do you think is going to complain about that? DAP? UMNO? Gerakan? or PAS? You better wake up and think about the future. Don’t blame everything on UMNO and Barisan. You work with the devil, and your soul belongs to them, understand? I have to tell you about PAS, huh? Where have you been all your adult life? Unless, like Antares, you agree with them that drinking and gambling should be outlawed. Then you can watch football every Saturday in your home drinking shandy. If that’s what you want from our “new Democracy”.

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