PAS spiritual leader Nik Aziz Nik Mat was rather tired when he arrived at the nomination centre to show his support for PAKATAN RAKYAT’s Permatang Pauh candidate Anwar Ibrahim on Aug 18.

In fact, he did not want to field questions by reporters but when we told him we wanted to ask about Saiful Bukhairy’s recent act of swearing on the Quran that he was sodomised by Anwar, he agreed to say a few things.

He said Saiful’s act of taking an oath on the holy book was Islamic but it was not according to the Muslim culture.

“In Islam, there is no need to place your hands on the Quran when you swear. Placing one’s hands on the Quran is an act of copying the Christians.

“When the Christians swear they put their hands on the Bible, right?” quipped Nik Aziz.

He stressed that the Malays have copied other cultures in placing their hands on the Quran when swearing.

“Other people’s cultures have entered the head of the Malays,” he said.

But his act of declaration about the sodomy act is between him and Allah, added Nik Aziz.

137 responses »

  1. COPYCAT says:

    Copycat??? Then Nik Aziz is himself a “political copycat” for mimicking the Americans’ democratic voting at Permatang Pauh! Certainly not the Islamic way of choosing a leader. What a joke?

  2. Abdul says:

    The fact is that the purported Hadharist “Imam” who was with Say-fool to desecrate the Qu’ran and Islam is an UMNO Youth Member. Dirty “Imams” indeed! Go to the links below to see which branch of UMNO Youth the Hadharist “Imam” belongs to.

    http://www.tranungkite.net/v7/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14616

    http://malaysiabiz-aloha.blogspot.com/2008/08/akhirnya.html

  3. Ibrahim says:

    Well, the Hadharist Imam who helped Say-fool to desecrate the Quran and Islam is an UMNO Youth member, so there is nothing strange here my dear. Dirty Hadharist “imams” working for the evil ones and desecrating Islam while they pose as Islam’s exegetes. The UMNO Youth “Imam” reminds me of the Kiswahili proverb: “Kilembe cheupe si kumcha Mwenyezi” (Wearing white turbans is not a sign of God’s fear). See the links below which show that the Hadharist conspirator is UMNO Youth member.

    http://www.tranungkite.net/v7/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14616

    http://malaysiabiz-aloha.blogspot.com/2008/08/akhirnya.html

  4. hutchrun says:

    There are more sleepless problems:

    Women’s Sexy Clothing Distracting Muslim Men From Sleep, Prayers
    Wednesday, October 31, 2007 – Associated Press

    KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysia’s Muslim men are suffering sleepless nights and cannot pray properly because their thoughts are distracted by a growing number of women who wear sexy clothes in public, a prominent cleric said.

    Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat, the spiritual leader of the opposition Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party, said he wanted to speak about the “emotional abuse” that men face because it is seldom discussed, the party reported on its Web site Wednesday.

    “We always [hear about] the abuse of children and wives in households, which is easily perceived by the eye, but the emotional abuse of men cannot be seen,” Nik Abdul Aziz said. “Our prayers become unfocused and our sleep is often disturbed.”

  5. hutchrun says:

    Anwar ridiculed accusations of being a US “lackey”.

    “These accusations are nothing but propaganda to tarnish the opponents’ reputation.”

    He said he has been a vocal opponent of the US-led war on Iraq and its so-called war on terror.

    “But this does not mean I would engage in a war against the US.”

    The opposition leader also took a swipe at prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s flagship Islam Hadhari project.

    “There is only one Islam,” Anwar said.

    “Claiming that there is Islam Hadari means that there is a ‘bad’ Islam.”

    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1218650267286&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

  6. Whodunnit says:

    This is stupid!

  7. rajraman says:

    Whoever will be a copycat for publicity – power – corruption.
    Thy will use the holly book as tools to hijack for their personal gain.

    rajraman666.I thought the hollybook split to TORAH,BIBLE AND QURAN – and their followers as usual hijack them for personal agenda/wisdom.

  8. Fortified City says:

    Matthew 5:34-37 (New International Version)

    But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

    No, the Lord Jesus Christ said “Do not swear at all…….”

    He told us not to swear on anything or in fact He said “do not swear at all..”

    So what is Tok Guru Nik Aziz saying? He is saying the right thing.
    Yes,he is only telling what he saw with his own pair of eyes.
    He saw people swearing on the Bible in the western courts.
    You can’t blame him for this.

    We have to explain to him here.The Lord Jesus Christ said no swearing on anything but how come people are swearing on the Bible? Rather confusing for Tok Guru right?

    We have to tell Tok Guru, just like some muslims do things that are not written in the quran,there are some christians who do things that are not written in the Bible. People are people,they are the same everywhere you go.

    Then he might ask what are the Bible scholars doing? We have to be humble to tell him also that these scholars hold different schools of thoughts. Some say yes,some say no, just like in Islam.

    We have to be fair to people like him and tell him that its the same here,

    Whatever God says “do”, they will not do,whatever God never said in His word they do.
    You have to give him an example to make him understand clearly.

    For eg. The Lord Jesus never gave a commandment to the christians to celebrate christmas.Its not there in the Bible.Never once did he ever tell them
    to celebrate his birthday. Yes,we can remember His virgin birth and be thankful of it but to do things that he never told us to do, confuses people around us. December 25th is not in the Bible at all.

    But, yet people celebrate. More so they celebrate it with drunkenness,gluttony,extravagant-elegant lifestyle when He himself was born to a poor family in a manger because there was ‘no room’ for him in the inn.He identified with the poor and humbled Himself before God, His Father.

    Surely Tok Guru must have been confused about this too and many other things that are not in the Bible. Do you think a man like Tok Guru would not have read the Bible himself?

    So who is responsible for this confusion. Yes,our own carelessness.
    There are many things that the Lord Jesus told us to do and we are not doing it. Is it right of us to be upset with what Tok Guru had said? I think we shouldn’t because we shouldn’t do those things that He never asked us to do.

  9. hutchrun says:

    “He saw people swearing on the Bible in the western courts.”

    Movies, Astro, TV sleepless nights

  10. rajraman666 says:

    raj raman@ rajraman666 is only a trade mark not devil worshipper neither godworshipper.

    rajraman.Dont want to be a pirate but a dreamer to be Malaysian PUTRA

  11. hutchrun says:

    PETALING JAYA: It is all systems go for the public debate between Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng and his predecessor Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon, scheduled for Wednesday.

    Organiser Agenda Daily said preparations for the event had been smooth so far, with only the names of the panellists for either side yet to be submitted.

  12. Feroz Merican says:

    Yeah and you can thank Nik Aziz for making Malaysia famous again. The only story in American Newspapers about Malaysia is Pas’s opposition to Avril Levigne performing in Malaysia. “She is too sexy”. This girl stands behind a mike and holds a guitar the whole time during a concert and she is apparently, “too sexy”. If they can’t tell the difference between Aguilera, Beyonce and Avril Levigne then Malaysia is going to continue to look like a backward ‘taliban ‘ style middle east nation . Which is exactly, precisely how we look to the US and the UK. By the way, nobody knows or cares about Anwar or the judiciary or the PKR, the only story I have seen is Avril Levigne. Think about that the next time you think the whole world knows about us, much less cares. And you can thank Pas for making us famous in the West and the rest of the civilized world.

  13. mother theresa says:

    Ha ha ha ha… religion and politics just don’t mix. This Nik Aziz is soliciting civil war in Bolehland….

    If we cannot love the person whom we see, how can we love god whom we cannot see? -Mother Theresa

  14. Ash says:

    FYI, Christians don’t swear… not verbally, written or even on the Bible.

  15. makangaji says:

    Sambutan hangat di Kota Bharu membakarkan lagi semangat reformasi. Keesokannya 19 September beliau turun pula ke Batu Pahat, Johor negeri yang melahirkan UMNO dan sangat sensitif dengan semangat nasionalis.
    Di Batu Pahatlah pertama kali beliau memahatkan sumpah atas nama Allah di sanubari rakyat menafikan tuduhan jijik yang dilemparkan kepadanya.

    “Demi Allah saya tidak terlibat dengan perbuatan terkutuk itu,” demikian sumpah Anwar. Sumpah ini menyebabkan ramai yang menitiskan air mata kerana simpati kepadanya dan dapat merasai keikhlasan dan ketulusan hatinya. Jika Anwar benar-benar terlibat, tidak mungkin beliau sanggup melafazkan sumpah demikian.

    Sesungguhnya sumpah itu bukan kerana beliau bongkak untuk mencabar beberapa tokoh UMNO, tetapi dibuat atas kesedaran dan keberanian, bahawa beliau benar-benar tidak terlibat. Bukan mudah untuk seseorang Islam membuat sumpah seperti itu kerana ia akan dilaknati Allah sehingga hari kiamat jika tidak benar.

    Nah sekarang Anwar sudah bersumpah, dan diulangi sumpah itu di Masjid Negara, beliau mengakui tidak terlibat dengan perbuatan terkutuk itu. Bagaimana pula dengan tokoh-tokoh yang begitu ghairah dan bersungguh mahu Anwar bersumpah sebelum ini. Kenapa Dr Mahathir masih diam untuk melafazkan sumpah bagi mempertahankan para saksinya? Dan kenapa Ibrahim Ali yang gila-gila membuat kenyataan menyatakan bersedia membela Anwar jika bekas TPM itu bersumpah atas nama Allah, sampai sekarang tidak terkutip dan diam membisu? Jelas kata-kata seperti itu tidak lebih dari satu provokasi Yahudi semata-mata.

    Dr Mahathir juga nampaknya telah terjempit dengan sumpah Anwar itu dengan mengatakan; orang macam Anwar boleh buat apa sahaja. Ah, kenapa sejahil itu Perdana Menteri. Apakah dia tahu hukum dan juga balasan orang yang bersumpah atas nama Allah? Sumpah sesuatu yang bukan boleh main-main. Mahfum Hadith; “jangan sesekali kau mempermainkan sumpah atas nama Allah kerana ia boleh merosakkan akidah.”

    Allah akan melaknati para pesumpah yang tidak benar. Sebenarnya kita tidak merasa hairan dengan sikap Doktor perubatan itu. Sebelum ini pun beliau sudah banyak mempermainkan kata-kata dan ucapan yang boleh menyebabkan akidahnya sebagai seorang mukmin gugur dan rosak!

    Petikan dari mukasurat 180-181, Tulisan Mohd sayuti Omar dalam buku SUMPAH DAN AIR MATA Reformis bangsa, terbitan Tinta Merah, 1998

  16. bamboo river says:

    Can’t blame Tok Guru Nik Aziz for saying that. It’s all in TV. But, what about in our judiciary? Does a witness ‘swear’ before being questioned by the prosecuter and defence lawyer? Swear to tell the truth nothing but the truth? This is swearing right?
    In the other words, it’s against the scriptures from the bible not to swear.
    Taking an oath is also swearing, NO?

  17. philly says:

    this guy S should be condammed.the Quran is a Holy book and he made a mockery of it.he needed 8 times before he comes to the open,why?so only stupid people will believe in him just by swearing and he expected sane people to buy his story.swearing does not prove anything,that’s why we need the judiaciary

  18. wits0 says:

    “Damn!” That’s a swear word of another sort.

    “So help me God”, has been the common end line oath of many a solemn speech like in (many if not all presidential) inaugural speeches.

    Ellison, the muslim Dem senator swore on a Koran.

  19. patek1472 says:

    Predictions on 10 Possibilities In Malaysia.
    (Ramalan atas 10 Kemungkinan di Malaysia.)

    1. Is it possible that DSAI wins the Permatang Pauh elections and become the next Chief Minister of Penang as a stepping stone to becoming Prime Minister?
    (Mungkinkah DSAI memenangi pilihan raya Permatang Pauh dan menjadi Ketua Menteri Pulau Pinang sebelum menjadi Perdana Menteri?)

    2. Is it possible that DSAB resign as PM of Malaysia after the Permatang Pauh elections and handover to DSNTR earlier than expected?
    (Mungkinkah DSAB meletak jawatan sebagai PM Malaysia selepas pilihan raya Permatang Pauh dan menyerahkannya kepada DSNTR lebih awal dari jangkaan?)

    3. Is it possible that UMNO and PKR will combine to form a new party?
    (Mungkinkah UMNO dan PKR akan bergabung untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru?)

    4. Is it possible that all other component parties of BN without UMNO will combine with PKR to form a new party?
    (Mungkinkah parti-parti komponen BN lain kecuali UMNO akan bergabung dengan PKR untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru?)

    5. Is it possible that PKR and PAS will combine to form a new party?
    (Mungkinkah PKR dan PAS akan bergabung untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru?)

    6. Is it possible that PKR, DAP and HINDRAF will combine to form a new party?
    (Mungkinkah PKR,DAP dan HINDRAF akan bergabung untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru?)

    7. Is it possible that TDM and all other Little Napoleons knows of these possibilities and are preparing to migrate?
    (Mungkinkah TDM dan semua “Little Napoleons” mengetahui kemungkinan-kemungkinan ini dan sedang bersedia untuk berhijrah?)

    8. Is it possible that DSAI is charged and disqualified as Member of Parliament after winning the Permatang Pauh election?
    (Mungkinkah DSAI didakwa dan tidak layak sebagai Ahli Parlimen selepas memenangi pilihan raya Permatang Pauh?)

    9. Is it possible that there will be another by election in Selangor or Perak?
    (Mungkinkah ada pilihan raya kecil semula di Selangor atau Perak?)

    10. Is it possible that there will be new religious parties formed besides PAS eg. Christian, Buddhist, Confucianism, Hindu, Bahai, Sikhism, Judaism or other beliefs?
    (Mungkinkah akan tertubuhnya parti berugama baru selain PAS seperti Kristian, Buddha, Konfucius, Hindu, Bahai, Sikh, Yahudi atau lain-lain kepercayaan?)

    http://patek1472.wordpress.com

  20. Mex says:

    “8. Is it possible that DSAI is charged and disqualified as Member of Parliament after winning the Permatang Pauh election?”

    Only can disqualify if go to prison, Being charged is of no use, must find guilty and the court case will go to appeal.

  21. Mex says:

    “By the way, nobody knows or cares about Anwar or the judiciary or the PKR,”
    -Feroz Merican

    That only UiTen and mara graduates know:

    Malaysian government intensifies harassment of political bloggers

    New York, August 19, 2008—The Committee to Protect Journalists strongly condemns the recent harassment of popular bloggers Raja Petra Kamarudin and Abdul Rashid Bakar.

    On August 15, Raja Petra, editor of the Malaysia Today news Web site, was ordered by a Malaysian Court to reveal the sources for three of his posted articles, which accused prominent local lawyer Muhammad Shafee Abdullah of conspiring with police in relation to sodomy charges recently filed against opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, according to news reports. Shafee has strenuously denied the allegations.

    The court also asked Raja Petra to reveal the identities of visitors who had posted comments on his blog in connection with the articles. Malaysian media reports said Raja Petra was ordered by the court to remove the articles from Malaysia Today. As of Tuesday, all three were still defiantly posted on the Web site, which garners an audience of around 1.5 million unique readers per day, according to Raja Petra.

    In a separate case, on August 7, blogger Abdul Rashid Abu Bakar, founder of the blog Penarik Beca, or Rickshaw Peddler, was arrested by police for publishing a digitally altered image of the national police insignia, according to local and international news reports. In that image, a tiger on the symbol was replaced with a dog and the words “Allah” and “Mohammad” on the symbol were replaced with “C4,” an explosive that was used in the murder of the Mongolian interpreter that has been linked to Najib.

    The blogger also replaced the word “Malaysia” with “Israel” in the doctored image, according to local press freedom group the Center for Independent Journalism. (Malaysia does not have formal diplomatic ties with Israel.) Abdul Rashid was held in police custody overnight and was released the following day on bail. The authorities have not yet formally charged him, the group said.

    “These cases are only the latest incidents in an intensifying government campaign to undermine Malaysia’s vibrant and growing community of online commentators,” said Robert Mahoney, CPJ’s deputy director. “We call on the Malaysian authorities to stop harassing bloggers and uphold the spirit of the government’s 1996 policy pledge not to censor the Internet.”

    Raja Petra now faces a wide array of legal charges for his critical political writings. On May 6 he was charged and detained for three days under Malaysia’s draconian Sedition Act over postings he made that linked Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Najib Abdul Razak to the murder of a Mongolian interpreter. That trial is set to begin in October. The blogger faces up to three years in prison.

    He was also arrested and charged on July 17 in relation to three separate criminal defamation charges that stem from assertions he made in a mid-June sworn statement that Najib’s wife was near the scene of the murder. Two military officials and the government have filed the charges, each of which carries a possible two years in prison. The trial began on August 15 and will resume after the court decides whether to grant the prosecution’s request to move the case to a higher criminal court.

  22. Mex says:

    HYGIENE, Colo. (AP) – It sounds like this cow had a beef with the bear. Neighbors spotted a cow and a wild bear nuzzling noses Sunday and playing in a pasture. The bear later dashed away, but no one’s sure whether the cow wanted the pasture for herself or more playtime.

    http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=456&sid=1462055

  23. perigi says:

    Lupa nak bagitahu : RAMLANG PORIGI nihlah yang dikatakan IMAM MASJID WILAYAH tuh….. tapi, bila dicheck dalam laman web MASJID WILAYAH, dia bukan IMAM pun…..

    Porigi
    ” Jawatan Sebenarnya Ramlang bin Porigi Pembantu Hal Ehwal Islam Talian Terus :03 62018780 ext :158 Senarai Imam yang sebenar dari masjid wilayah 1 . Tn. Hj. Abdul Malek bin Salleh Imam Besar Talian Terus :03 – 62018780 ext :137

    http://wrlr.blogspot.com/2008/08/ramlang-porigi-imam-masjid-wilayah.html

  24. perigi says:

    Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim has accused his country’s government of supporting the pro-Israel lobby in the US and Jewish groups inside Israel.

    “I have evidence proving that the government is backing the Jewish lobby in the US and some parties inside Israel,” Anwar told IslamOnline.net in an exclusive interview.

    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=14089

  25. xy says:

    “…KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysia’s Muslim men are suffering sleepless nights and cannot pray properly because their thoughts are distracted by a growing number of women who wear sexy clothes in public, a prominent cleric said……”

    Well, it is the minds of the sleepless men at fault, not the women themselves.
    Blaming external environment is an easy excuse for one’s own weaknesses and failures.

  26. batang says:

    Saiful should sumpah luk-cat. If he can describe the intricate features of Anwar’s big “batang” then I will surely believe him and even vote for him to be the next PM of Malaysia after Pal Belah.

  27. perigi says:

    Ya, Saiful know if anwar batang got mole on right side or left side.

  28. wits0 says:

    XY, “Well, it is the minds of the sleepless men at fault, not the women themselves.
    Blaming external environment is an easy excuse for one’s own weaknesses and failures.”

    Exactly, XY, hahaha! You get to sounding really unwise to blame others for the weaknesses you refuse to overcome.

  29. better future for all says:

    Nik Aziz is totally wrong – Christians are not to swear at all!
    The Word of God teaches us not to swear on anything and just do not swear at all.

    This swearing or oath-taking is a Western tradition, and since they were influenced by Christianity and there were no other prominent religions in these countries so probably that why they used the Bible.

    Please do not ALWAYS Equate Western traits, traditions, styles, with Christianity – THIS IS SICKENING!!!

    And even in Christianity there are divided into 2 groups – Catholic and Protestant.
    There is a Great difference between these two.

    Catholic – idol worship
    worship of Mary the ‘mother’ of the Lord
    Jesus
    the clergy is their link to God
    (confessions made to them)
    etc,
    Protestant – none of ALL the Above.

    On a further note, even the President of USA, G. W. Bush who claims to be a born-again Christian is a Satan worshiper – he admitted to belonging to Skull n Bones religious group. They place a skull (Geranimo’s) in their worship meeting and worship before it. They LOVED Darkness. He has betrayed his country many times even though he swore or took an oath before taking office.
    So there goes swearing or oath-taking – down the gutter.
    Islam Hadhari and Saiful is following them all!

  30. xy says:

    @ better future for all :

    Bertrand Russell said some 50 years ago, “Religion has done more harm than good to mankind.”

  31. amoker says:

    I say, Christians got sucked into this endless discussion.

    I think we have to distint between what the bible teaches ( no swearing vainly in God’s name) and the usage of holy books esp. in US courts / (as seen on TV. In US, you can opt for a bible, a Koran, no holy books etc. when you make an oath/ swearing of truth. It seemed more like a judiaciary practice than a religious practice. I normally laugh when Muslims accuse others of not understanding their religion but nobody is perfect. Tok was tired and hopefully can read my respond to his statement.

  32. perigi says:

    Pic: Ellison Takes Swearing-In Photograph With Koran
    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/04/ellison-koran/

    Nik Aziz and all PAS members must stop watching movies and TV so they can sleep better.

  33. loo seow pek says:

    Fortified City is dead right. You have said it all , nothing more for me to add !

    Malaysia’s Muslim men are suffering sleepless nights and cannot pray properly because their thoughts are distracted by a growing number of women who wear sexy clothes in public, a prominent cleric Nik Abdul Aziz said. “Our prayers become unfocused and our sleep is often disturbed.”

    Tok you know why ? In the kampongs where Muslim young girls sleep everwhere at night wearing only sarongs without proper bedrooms . Imagine sometimes the sarongs also get hitched up or their legs are curled up exposing you know what ! thats why their sleep are disturbed , and so many incest cases in Kelantan !! imagine Kelantan , no wonder Tok you said it !!

  34. xy says:

    @ cannot pray properly men,

    “不是风动, 不是幡动,仁者心动”

  35. Anonymous says:

    Strictly speaking, swearing on Bible is not “Christian” but “Western”. Western is not necessary Christian. Not all westerners are Christian though they may go to church. Most don’t even believe in God.

    How did the tradition come about? It’s a long story. Go search the web!😉

  36. Anonymous says:

    By the way, can’t blame Tok Guru at all. Most Christians/Westerners are not even of the fact that swearing on Bible is not Christian.

  37. free says:

    Religio n has done nothing bad, people did.

    I hat e to hear people comparing and say ba d things about one another’s believes. That’s the whole cause of hat e against one another. PLEASE stop all these nonsen se !

  38. teach says:

    By the way, can’t blame Tok Guru at all. – anonymous

    As a religous head he should get himself taught properly.

  39. bamboo river says:

    ” “Damn!” That’s a swear word of another sort.” – Witso.
    Thought that is cursing?🙂

    There are always room for excuse when someone tried to ‘convince’ people that they are speaking the truth.
    What about Saiful’s predicament?
    He is swearing on the Quran in a Mosque at one moment and spoked about ” I will reveal that in court” in a Press conference in a hotel the next moment.
    So, if swearing is likened to SD, may as well, reveal all in one breath! Since in the first place he (Saiful) felt that by swearing is the last resort for him to prove his truth, why must wait for the trial in court to prove another truth?
    So, is he revealing part of the truth to GOD and later another part to the judge?
    Aiyaaa, so, how is the judge going to concur on this sodomy case? Waiting for GOD to give ‘part’ judgement ?

  40. wits0 says:

    Bamboo, swearing at a person is cursing, no? 😉

    Whatever the method is used to declare a solemn expression of truth in any statement is just what the person chooses. It’s a subjective thing left to others concerned to verify it. If one uses method A, must another also be compelled to do the same? I don’t think so.

  41. reach says:

    If the Judge decide against Saiful OR dsai, lightning will strike the court and sparks will fly through the ars.

  42. backside open flower says:

    DSAi is also itchy backside to hire this saifool.

    Looking at saifool size- big, strong and solid, ai should be sent for anal analysis and counter charge for sodomy by saifool.

  43. caravanserai says:

    Swear or not to swear?
    Leave The Lord out of it
    He never says in His scriptures
    Don’t use His name for personal gain

    If one has a problem
    Solve it like a gentleman
    Face to face like open debate
    Let the people witness
    Say your piece answer questions

    If one goes to court to decide
    Proof your action with facts and documents
    Along with witnesses to support your distress
    Do it fairly without ulterior motives………

    But do we get it there?
    Minds of men and women
    The 3Ps rear its ugly head
    Most people fall for it
    Power Projects Prosperity

    Every flock of sheep has a wolf skin
    Pretending pious spreading evil lies
    Belittling the flock making it fight
    Only wise flock of sheep leaders
    Blah blah blah it away

    Lie to make it right
    It will fall when it is put to the test
    No matter what you swear on it
    It will destroy its creditability

    When your mind is not at peace
    Better don’t go for praying
    It is better to ask for forgiveness
    Within yourself and understand it
    Humans have all the faults and crisis
    When your mind understands it
    It is easier to pray with conscious clear

    SWEAR OR NOT TO SWEAR?
    Only the truth will prevail
    When the tests start to call in one by one
    The liars will be had the punishment will rain on them

  44. kittykat46 says:

    This Sai-full guy just made me laugh appearing on TV.
    The Solicitor general pretty much announced him as a consensual participant.

  45. reach says:

    “…and counter charge for sodomy by saifool”

    Very good point. Maybe Saifool is a “spurned lover” –
    “hell hath no fury like a woman’s scorn”- william shakespeare taming of the shrew

  46. Menyalak-er says:

    Aiya naughty Susan, Hahaha.
    I’d already predicted this would happened, and commented on it a couple of blogs back.
    Well said Fortified City (05:03), nothing more to add.
    Now, what about interfaith dialogues?
    Cheers and have a good day.

  47. Hahaha says:

    Christians or Muslims, “Just speak the truth and shame the devil”
    True believers, do not use the name of Almighty in vain.
    Keep religion out of politics!!

  48. wanabi says:

    Matthew Chapter 5:36 Do not swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black.
    37 Let your ‘Yes’ mean ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No’ mean ‘No.’ Anything more is from the evil one.

    James Chapter 5:12 But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath, but let your “Yes” mean “Yes” and your “No” mean “No,” that you may not incur condemnation.

  49. little mosquitoo says:

    if allah is alive and kicking, allah must thunder strike the assholes of saifool instigator.

    Otherwise allah can let saifool 00.

  50. wanabi says:

    SWEARING

    The second commandment of God forbids false oaths. Taking an oath or swearing is to take God as witness to what one affirms. It is to invoke the divine truthfulness as a pledge of one’s own truthfulness. An oath engages the Lord’s name. “You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him, and swear by his name.”81

    Rejection of false oaths is a duty toward God. As Creator and Lord, God is the norm of all truth. Human speech is either in accord with or in opposition to God who is Truth itself. When it is truthful and legitimate, an oath highlights the relationship of human speech with God’s truth. A false oath calls on God to be witness to a lie.

    A person commits perjury when he makes a promise under oath with no intention of keeping it, or when after promising on oath he does not keep it. Perjury is a grave lack of respect for the Lord of all speech. Pledging oneself by oath to commit an evil deed is contrary to the holiness of the divine name.

    In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus explained the second commandment: “You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ But I say to you, Do not swear at all. . . . Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from the evil one.”82 Jesus teaches that every oath involves a reference to God and that God’s presence and his truth must be honored in all speech. Discretion in calling upon God is allied with a respectful awareness of his presence, which all our assertions either witness to or mock.

    Following St. Paul,83 the tradition of the Church has understood Jesus’ words as not excluding oaths made for grave and right reasons (for example, in court). “An oath, that is the invocation of the divine name as a witness to truth, cannot be taken unless in truth, in judgment, and in justice.”84

    The holiness of the divine name demands that we neither use it for trivial matters, nor take an oath which on the basis of the circumstances could be interpreted as approval of an authority unjustly requiring it. When an oath is required by illegitimate civil authorities, it may be refused. It must be refused when it is required for purposes contrary to the dignity of persons or to ecclesial communion.

  51. Hunk says:

    I bet Nik Aziz know nuts about Christianity, so does many Christians but the intention of Tok Guru Niz Aziz is bona fide. He charged ;-

    “In Islam, there is no need to place your hands on the Quran when you swear. Placing one’s hands on the Quran is an act of copying the Christians.

    “When the Christians swear they put their hands on the Bible, right?” quipped Nik Aziz.

    Christianity, the etymology from “Jesus of Nazareth” claimed by Christian ti be “Son-of-God” admonished swearing based of the pristine Bible and according to my (a true) Christian friend, Lord Jesus said :-

    In Matthew 5:34 – 37:

    “But I tell you, Do not swear at all; either by heaven, for it is God’s throne or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.”

    The Holy Bible – James 5:12:

    “Above all, y brothers, do not swear, not by heaven or earth or by anything else. Let your ‘Yes’ be yes, and your ‘No,’ no, or you will be condemned.”

    The contention here vis-a-vis with Nik Aziz’s understanding of Christinity is Christians are prohibited from voluntarily swearing per saiful’s act but on the other hand if Nik Aziz is referring to the oath Christians undertook which is compulsory in court, the latter is rather a necessity precept demanded by law.😀

    _____________

    My friend, Ethan is a man of faith and he is also a man of facts which both must really matters;

    Faith – If one really believe in the words of God or what their religion originally teaches (of course for the goodness for and of mankind), then (s)he will live a sinless life without such masquerade demonstrated by Saiful to belittle God. Other than a publicity stunt and to cause grievous harm to the reputation of his enemy (Anwar Ibrahim) by falsely lied and discrediting Allah, Saiful has no respect for Allah at all.

    Facts :- Vis-a-vis with faith, is the secular law in Malaysia not good enough where per his sodomy accusations against Anwar Ibrahim, the police charge sheet(outcome of police investigation) was winnowing him (Saiful) from prosecution when only Saiful’s enemy is charged under Section 377B of the Penal Code when/ or as saiful claimed that he was (sodomy)raped by Anwar Ibrahim in this ludicrous episode of sodomy- “sodomy 2” as all facts are lame in the prosecution of Anwar Ibrahim.

    However, my friend Ethan wishes to thank Tuan Guru Niz Aziz for his unwavering alliance with PR. As a liberal Christian, that is without taking such foolish remarks by others such as calling for an issuance of a “fatwa” or likewise, he bring forth the word of the Lord (Jesus) in good faith.😀
    Christian is a religion of peace as of Islam according to my friend Ethan so let us embrace one another as the aforesaid religions taught us to be- to live in peace – peace at no time refers to peace under coercion or any elements of tyranny.

    Oh Susan, you are a Christian are you? How can you not know the word of the Lord? Aiyooooooooooooooooo, Susan…….😀

  52. reach says:

    Oh Susan, you are a Christian are you? How can you not know the word of the Lord? Aiyooooooooooooooooo, Susan…….😀

    Hahaha so cuuuuute. Now susan is accused of being Nik Aziz speechwriter.

  53. foreigner says:

    He’s a spiritual leader, and being islamic, can say, do or think no wrong. Which means he’s always right. Swearing under any circumstances is not always fool-proof that the end product is honesty. You can swear over a hamburger and be totally honest, and needn’t worry about being accused of copycatting anything.

    The good man was merely trying to deflect the question put to him by bringing up the bible swearing thing. It had absolutely no bearing. He didn’t have to say yes or no for an answer. Shrewd indeed.

  54. Paul Warren says:

    Nik Aziz is an old goat and whenever he refers to anything Christian or Christianity it is to relect that reference in debasement of the religion. Never to show respect or to to show understanding. Its like his listeners are to see his reference as something to be abhored or laughed at.

    On the other hand he expects the rest of us to only say platitudes and nice things about Islam and Islamism.

    This guy is right royal evil in everywhich way. No doubt I too supported PAS this last GE. But what can we do to eliminate this squalid mind of people like Nik Aziz for heaven’s sake?

  55. Hahaha says:

    Oh my God! Do I need to be stuffed with all these holy teachings on a fine morning? Do your preaching in your churches or in the mosques….your God does not require you all to defend his teachings. Life goes on, no matter what you say.

  56. wanabi says:

    “better future for all” YOU ARE IGNORANT.

  57. Feroz Merican says:

    Paul Warren you are completely and absolutely right. Nik Aziz is now in the opposition, can you imagine life in Malaysia when Nik Aziz is part of the Government? Better send in your applications now, because life in Malaysia is about to get far far worse for non-Muslims. Avril Levigne is just an appetizer, pretty soon everything un Islamic on Astro will be banned. And PKR will dump DAP faster than you can say Beyonce Knowles. In ten years you will all be talking about the good old years under Mahathir.
    Pas is going to destroy our multi racial country, and they will be backed by the Police(90% Malay) and the Army (99% Malay) , what are you going to do? fight them with parangs and Molotov cocktails? Fight Helicopters, Tanks and machine guns with your money and your Visa card? Do you really think that Nik Aziz will look out for you, your children and your families? Apply now, because it is going to get a whole hell of a lot worse. A government with PAS will be the end of Malaysia and there will be nothing Anwar or anyone else can do about it.

  58. Roman Catholic says:

    Many people during the prophet Ezekiel’s time were enmeshed in sin and spiritual lifelessness, like many Christians today. This is what God said to them:
    God’s promise of the Holy Spirit. [Ezek 36:26] I will give you a new heart and place a new spirit within you, taking from your bodies your stony hearts and giving you natural hearts.
    God’s promise of help and power to do what is right. The Holy Spirit gives us the power. [Ezek 36:27] I will put my spirit within you and make you live by my statutes, careful to observe my decrees.
    The Holy Spirit that God promised through Ezekiel, Jesus gave to his disciples. With the Holy Spirit, men gain:
    A new nature, spiritual power. Gal 5:16‑23. The inward dimension. [16] I say, then: live by the Spirit and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh. [17] For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want. [18] But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law. [19] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, [20] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, [21] occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. [22] In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
    Power to serve. Acts 1:8. The outward dimension. . [Acts 1:8] But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
    God wants all men to have this new life. God sent His Son into the world so that we could be given the source of the new life, the Holy Spirit.

  59. man says:

    I have said many times.
    Cut short court cases by asking every accuse to swear by the Quaran.
    Razak Baginda sweared he did not commit murder – he is not guilty
    Drug Kingpin sweared he is not guilt – he is acquited
    Mr.XYZ stole drugs from Johor Police Station sweared he is not involved – he is not guilty
    Table this in parlement..swearing on the Qaran stuffs – cut the court time. Don’t be shit on tis issue.

  60. man says:

    I have said many times that let judges ask every criminals to swear on the Quaran.
    RB sweared “I am not guilty” – He is freed
    NR sweared “I am not involve” – He is clean
    Drug pusher sweared “I don’t push drug” – He is not guilty
    Immigration Oficers sweared “I don’t accept money” – he is not guilty
    That will cut court’s time. Please don’t talk about swearing on Quaran.

  61. idzan ismail says:

    Hi all

    As far as I know swearing by the Quran is always a Malay and Muslim thing.
    Remember when we were ypung we will always say “swear by the quran” when our mum accused us of some wrongdoing.
    Swear on the quran is a feared thing. If we are not truthful, wrath of god will be upon us.
    I used to hold Tok Guru in high esteem. During days of yore when I knew him and interviewed him.
    But now I am not sure. Sometimes he doublespeaks like Anwar.
    The Anwar lies are contagious indeed.

  62. Feroz Merican says:

    Kak Idzan, don’t blame Anwar, Nik Aziz was the same 30 years ago, he hasn’t changed one bit. Now he will get his holy grail, that is ,political power in a legitimate, national government. His dreams have come true. It has nothing to do with being influenced by Anwar Ibrahim. Nik Aziz is a first class politician, and that is why no one in Pas is even close to taking over from him. Now you will see what Nik Aziz truly thinks about Chinese, Indians and lain lain’s in Malaysia.

  63. goyang kaki says:

    Ha ha ha… Bodolah, don’t be a stupid fool to divert all your big time corruptions and Najibsaw’s Mongolian’s C4 case….

    If you have conscience, do the hara-kiri now side by side…..

    Don’t waste time on this allah or god’s things. Please discuss in your churches or mosques….

    Hari2 sembayang, main belakang, who pay you taxes? Bodohlah semua god-damn-it….

  64. kittykat46 says:

    Unfortunately, there are people in PAS who mention the word “Kristian” like some vulgar expression to be spat out. No kidding, I’ve met them.

    But to be fair to Nik Aziz, I’ve watched how he has behaved in Kelantan. Apart from a few crazy stunts by the Kota Baru municipal council, generally non-Muslims have been treated well.

    The are Buddhist temples all over the state, often right in the middle of rural villages. One of the world’s largest reclining Buddha figures and also the country’s largest outdoor figure of the meditating Buddha are in Kelantan.

    The Christian community is small, but I have never heard of any issues with places of worship.

    Nik Aziz is a good man, but his party still has plenty of Neanderthals.

  65. wits0 says:

    Kittykat : “Nik Aziz is a good man, but his party still has plenty of Neanderthals.”

    That’s my impression too.

  66. Feroz Merican says:

    Kittykat, you are one of the better posters here and I am always glad to see your name.
    But don’t let Nik Aziz or PAS fool you for a second, their whole reason for existence is to turn Malaysia into an Islamic State, and at the very least, institute Syariah Law for Muslims because British Civil Law, and the Rule of Law as we know it, in Un-Islamic.
    Rule of Law is important, K-Kat, without it, we will slide back into the middle ages.
    C’mon, don’t you read about what happens in Iran or Jordan or Saudi Arabia? You think those guys are playing the fool? They are going to take this country back, and they don’t care who leaves, and in what numbers. Pretty soon you will have to go into a woman’s only floor in Lot 10 to buy your dresses, you think that’s impossible? Think again. These guys are serious and they want to be part of the Muslim Rennaissance.
    Think of the party as Nik Aziz’z grandchildren, only they know the secrets of the family, what Nik Aziz says in public cannot be taken at face value. What he says in private, you should be very afraid of.

  67. proverb says:

    Proverbs 18:21

    Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

    Your speech will either promote or destroy you (10:14; 12:14; 13:2-3; 18:6-7,23). If you are older, it already has! Many have ruined their lives by ungoverned mouths. Others have been exalted for their kind and wise tongues. Your speech will bring either blessing or cursing on you from both God and men, in both time and eternity. Do you love good speech or bad speech? Your future will be impacted heavily by your choice and habit.

    A tongue can kill or save others’ lives. A false witness can cause the death of an innocent man, or a comforter can give life to a dejected man by an uplifting word. A slanderer can kill the reputation of a good man, or a wise counselor can guide a young man through the dangers of youth. A seducing woman can ruin a man’s life, or a godly mother can teach her children the truth. A tongue definitely affects others, but that is not the lesson here.

    The tongue also affects speakers! The death and life in the power of the tongue are the effects of your speech on yourself! We know this by the second clause, which teaches that those loving their use of the tongue will eat either the fruit of death or life. We also know this by the context, for the previous proverb reads, “A man’s belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled” (18:20).

    Consider the love of speech, which is a key in this proverb. Even evil men can say good things when it is to their greedy purposes to do so, and good men slip from time to time and say things they should not (23:6-8; Eccl 10:1). But only good men truly love good speech, and only evil men truly love evil speech. The law of the proverb is based on what kind of speech you love – the speech you commit your heart, mouth, and habits toward.

    When you see a man failing in life, he likely did not rule his tongue. You can see the failure in his marriage(s), with his children, and in his profession. Criticism and harshness cost him affection. Exaggerations and extreme words cost him trust. Complaining and whining cost him influence. Arrogance and disrespect of authority cost him promotions. Too many words cost him listeners. Backbiting and talebearing cost him respect. Foolishness and jesting cost him honor. Unkept promises made him a liar. He is dead!

    He committed suicide with his tongue! He ate the fruit of death! He used the power of his tongue to his own destruction. He would not rule his spirit or teach his tongue wisdom (16:23; 25:28). Therefore, both God and men punished him for his verbal folly. God turned to be his enemy, and men avoided him and cut him out of their friendships and profitable endeavors. He used the power of his tongue to his own destruction and death.

    Other men rise like cream to the top, because they govern their speech. They limit their words (10:19; 17:27-28). They use gentleness rather than bluster (15:1; 25:15). They only speak the certain words of truth (22:17-21). They never speak against a man not present (16:28; 26:20-22). They study and think before speaking (15:28). They are always thankful. They seldom speak up unless requested (18:13; 29:11; Jas 1:19). Their gracious speech wins the hearts of men and women – they are soon friends with the king (16:13; 22:11). They are a tree of life to others and to themselves (10:11; 13:3; 15:4)!

    When a woman is a failure, she likely did not rule her tongue. Harsh and critical speech, nagging reminders, snotty retorts, or constant suggestions destroyed her husband’s affection – she killed her marriage. Her children cannot wait to get out of the house, because the overbearing and continual criticism is too much to bear. She is odious! She has no friends, because everyone hates an odious woman. She committed marital, domestic, and social suicide with her tongue! She ate the fruit of death! She is dead!

    A gracious woman is always honored (11:16). The rule is simple and absolute – a woman that rules her tongue will have many friends and a glorious reputation. She has the law of kindness in her mouth, and she only speaks when she has something wise and important to contribute (31:26). She never speaks to hear herself talk, to offer trivialities, to correct insignificant details, or to make sure she contributes more than others in a group. She has a meek and quiet spirit – one that despises talking without a noble purpose (I Pet 3:3-4).

    Young man, learn sound speech before it is too late. Keep company only with gracious and wise men, who rule their mouths. Reject every man with a foolish and loud mouth. Learn Solomon’s wisdom about teaching your lips (4:24; 6:12; 8:13; 10:31-32; 15:28; 16:23). You can greatly enhance your future by learning good speech for all occasions.

    Young woman, you should learn and practice the same things. If you do not, you will have difficulty finding a man that will ruin his life by marrying you. An odious woman is a terrifying threat to men, and a young man can discover you with his ears. You must despise idle chatter, giggling, foolish talking, opinionated debate, or other odious traits.

    Old man, you are already eating the fruit of your mouth. The only hope you have is to confess the sins of your mouth to God and men, speak only gracious and wise words when asked, and beg God for the wisdom and strength to rule your unruly member.

    Old woman, you have likely scarred your husband’s heart. And your children, while not telling you, rejoice when they can get away from you or end a phone conversation. How many crave your presence and pursue conversation with you? If the number is low, you have a speech problem. Follow the advice given to the old man and trust God for mercy.

    Reader, your words will bring death or life in this world and the next. Jesus said, “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned” (Matt 12:36-37). Death and life are in your tongue. Choose life!

  68. reach says:

    When Yasser hit puberty, he grew attracted to his male cousins. Like many gay and lesbian teenagers everywhere, he felt isolated. “I used to have the feeling that I was the queerest in the country,” he recalled. “But then I went to high school and discovered there are others like me. Then I find out, it’s a whole society.”

    This society thrives just below the surface. During the afternoon, traffic cops patrol outside girls’ schools as classes end, in part to keep boys away. But they exert little control over what goes on inside. A few years ago, a Jeddah- based newspaper ran a story on lesbianism in high schools, reporting that girls were having sex in the bathrooms.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200705/gay-saudi-arabia

  69. reach says:

    So, it was always true despite denials:

    Anwar to Najib: Remember Port Dickson?
    Athi Veeranggan | Aug 20, 08 12:55pm

    In a rare outburst that is perhaps telling of the toll the Permatang Pauh by-election is taking on him, opposition icon Anwar Ibrahim is threatening to expose a ‘dark secret’ of Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak’s, involving the southern beach town of Port Dickson, if the latter continued to wage personal attacks against him.

    http://www1.malaysiakini.com/news/88143

  70. politicanalyst says:

    Well, I don’t have enough knowledge to make comments on this matter, but I think that Nik Aziz is just expressign his view on the issue matter. The usage of al-quran to make oaths or swear is not mention specifically in quran, nor in other books I known of. So, the swear might not be wrong in that way.

    The symbol of holding the holybook is just to make the swearing looks more convincing to other people seeing it, either in the court or in public. The practice using holybook is doubt sinful in islam, this must be reviewed by expertise on this course.

    But then, Nik Aziz dare not to challenge Saiful’s swear is truth or just a false swear for political concern, that is why he fear to give comments on that matter.

  71. reach says:

    Of Poofs And Ooofs:

    When pics of the Son-in-Law in a girly dress, apparently during some college show years ago, are making their rounds ahead of a by-election that Anwar Ibrahim is expected to win easily, you get a feeling that there aren’t too many issues to fire up the campaigning.
    I’m not even sure if these pictures are supposed to work against BN or PR. They are on anti-Anwar portal here as well as pro-Anwar blogs, here and here.
    http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2008/08/permatang-pauh-by-election-issues.html

    That sure is some pondi there.

  72. NorHaslim says:

    why does this has to be politicized?
    besides he has seeked advice from apolitical ulama before making the swearing process.- unlike Nik Aziz who may/ or at least partially has something to gain from making this statement.

  73. courtofkoran says:

    How many court cases are waiting ? More people will be caught by the ACA. Lawyers should advise those people to swear by the Koran of their innocence. UMNO court will believe them. Islam Hadari will believe them.

  74. Lin Dan says:

    Greetings from China!! I am a sichuanese from China and now in Beijing watching olympics but can’t help following news online in Malaysia as I have many Malaysian friends. Actually many of my comrades and chinese friends are not going to invest or study in malaysia anymore due to the corrupted leadership of UMNO, we would rather goto UK or Australia which the govt is not so corrupted. My wish is for Anwar to be the next prime minister as if corruption is reduce, then Malaysia will be a good place to live in. As for this saiful guy, it have been a laughing stock in China as many of us think how stupid can the malaysian govt be using a small kid as a pawn to swear in front of koran. Why dun you ask the mogolian killer Najis to swear also in koran and broadcast LIVE on TV that he didn’t kill the mongolian lady?? and also ask all UMNO members to swear that they are not corrupted and didn’t steal or rob the country’s wealth?

    aiya even saddam hussien swears 5 times a day in the biggest mosque in Iraq but it is well known that he murdered thousands of iraqis during his rule. so do you think that Najis can match Saddam Hussien in Swearing huh? no way man!! I would like to suggest that Saifool use his easy earned wealth given by UMNO to help the poor, maybe donate some money to the poor-what’s the point of showing of you have been sodomized? Earn the money from UMNO and contribute to the poor better!!!

  75. Muming says:

    Secondly, Mohd Saiful Bukhari Bin Azlan, IC No: 850706-01-5687, of No. 29, Jalan BU 7/6, Selangor, swore on the Quran at 6.00pm on 15 August in the Federal Territory Mosque in front of Ramlang Bin Porigi, UMNO Member No. 03405853 of Cawangan Seri Macang, Bahagian Bukit Mertajam, Parlimen Permatang Pauh.

    Can you now see the comedy of the whole thing? Ramlang Porigi, the so-called ‘Imam’ who conducted Saiful’s swearing on the Quran, other than possessing a name that sounds like an illegal Indonesian immigrant who has just been given a ‘blue’ IC, is an UMNO member from Permatang Pauh. Any wonder why Anwar ‘tak layan’ this whole matter? It was all a circus show for the benefit of the Permatang Pauh voters.

  76. John says:

    Visit link below.Very interesting article.Alternative to DSAI.

    http://malaysia-united.blogspot.com/2008/08/pas-pm-malaysiakini-report.html

  77. rajraman666 says:

    hi,
    Feroz Merican,
    Who are you?
    how do you can get my email?
    If u are the one send me a email regarding this topic,can u pls email me back with your personal email.If not just ignore this message.

    rajraman.always want to learn something.

  78. John says:

    Please visit link below.Very interesting article on Nik Aziz for next PM as an alternative for DSAI.
    http://malaysia-united.blogspot.com/2008/08/pas-pm-malaysiakini-report.html

  79. courtofkoran says:

    rajraman666,
    Beware..In here there are so many smart police la…New mata not like the old ones. Now they got graduates, masters,phd with computer forensic etc. They want to catch you, you sure kena..they want to let u go, u go scot free. U need to have facts b4 u throw any accusation.Beware la…

    See Bangsa yang Tuhan hina
    http://www.9m2ar.com/hina.htm

  80. Ahjajal says:

    Readers first let us reverse who were their in the swearing of the Quran. Let us
    ask the Iman who he is? What is the credibility of that Iman ? Where is he from
    is he a Malaysian.? Why was he asked to be part of the swearing was it under the
    order of VVIP and UMNO people? My reading is that he is not a Malaysian more
    like an illegal project Mycards holder or the father may have been an illegal and holds that illegal projected Mycard. His name with a BIN added, otherwise, he
    is a pure Indonesian with a Bugis reference. I am sure local Imans will not take
    part in this swearing they are sure is it un-islamic that is why it took time to plan
    and fix this up a day before nomination day.

  81. Bob says:

    Muming:
    Is Ustaz Ramlang Porigi an actual Imam of Masjid Wilayah or is he just a Pembantu Hal Ehwal Islam?
    I was told there are 3 Imams in that mosque, none of whom is named as such.
    Unfortunately, the JPM portal for Masjid Wilayah has been disabled, and the e-directory where u can check the names of the Imams is also now disabled.
    It was still functional yesterday.

  82. Hischild says:

    Swearing on the Bible is a practice of the west especially in the USA and UK because most of the laws are derived from the Bible, the Bible can also be called a book of laws, there are numerous laws in the Bible including laws against sodomy Lev 18:22. And most famouns of all is the ten commandments Exodus 20:1-17 For this reason the Bible is used for swearing though not required by God.

  83. Menyalak-er says:

    Rule no.1 for a vibrant democracy: No to theocracy.
    Democracy is “rule by the people”. Democracies should not permit religion to interefere with governance. Separation of state from religion, especially in a multiethnic, multicultural nation like ours.
    Although i would not have qualms about Tok Guru Nik Aziz as the P.M, I reserve the right to oppose all other PAS leaders, maybe with the exceptions of Husam and Nirza. But these 2 are not yet PM material…
    Tok Guru Nik Aziz, is getting on in years and his health is not exactly the best. Hence, rationality and ‘idealism’ dictates that the next PM (must be ‘Malay’) should be ….. (hey, don’t joke-ah fellas)….

  84. idzan ismail says:

    Hi Feroz

    I agree with you. Tok Guru is another politician. If not he can’t be in Anwar’s fold.
    Ulamak, fulamak. He’s in the same mould as mamak Anwar.
    Changing tacks whem the occasion rises.
    Case in point: It’s not cronyism when it’s his son in-law.
    If so, Khairy too is well qualified and have good credentials to be in the corrridors of power.
    Cakap tak serupa bikin

  85. memerhati says:

    It is actually true when observed that many people ‘copy’ other cultures.
    But do we really need to get all itchy scratchy over this kind of news?
    Patut guna hukum hudud je senang. orang pun takut nak break any law at hudud point.

  86. […] August 20, 2008 by brightnur Nik Aziz says Saiful copy cat Christians when swearing on Quran […]

  87. Feroz Merican says:

    Hey memerhati, you can take your hudud law back to Acheh, la, we got Chinese and Indian people here, if you want hudud law, **** off back to Sumatra or Saudi Arabia.

  88. Musharaf says:

    Lin Dan (13:11:51) – Greetings from China!! I am a sichuanese from China and now in Beijing watching olympics but can’t help following news online in Malaysia as I have many Malaysian friends. Actually many of my comrades and chinese friends are not going to invest or study in malaysia anymore….

    memerhati (15:11:14) – It is actually true when observed that many people ‘copy’ other cultures.

    Those who disrupted the Bar Council Forum should send Lee Chong Wei back to China since he didn’t win the gold.
    What? He’s not from there?
    Who cares? Just send him back. But keep the silver.
    An alternative idea is to convert him to Islam so that we can say a Muslim won the silver for Malaysia. This trick worked with the chap who went up Mount Everest.
    Just tell Lee to repeat shahada and then say: “Hah! you are now a Muslim!”

  89. Musharaf says:

    Damn pakis all over

  90. Feroz Merican says:

    Who is a paki? What the **** are you talking about? I’ve been here for a long time, man, your name never see also?

  91. Musharaf says:

    Who is a paki? What the **** are you talking about? I’ve been here for a long time, man, your name never see also? – Feroz Merican

    What is your problem. Everyone know merican are mamak. You so stupid ah? Go to malaysiakini anyone can get link. Whatfor ask your permission? Idiot mamak.

  92. Feroz Merican says:

    That’s funny, you think I am using my real name?
    Are you using your real name? Like I would allow the
    authorities to know my full name, furthermore there
    are 200 million muslims in India, more than in the whole of Pakistan, you f***ing retard.

  93. Feroz Merican says:

    You f***king idiot, you really think all “mamaks” come from Pakistan ah?
    Your parents obviously did not bother to educate you. Ask them how many Muslims there are in India, you piece of s**t.

  94. Feroz Merican says:

    You f***ing a**hole, you think you are more Malaysian than me? If you think you are Indian , then **** off back to India, if you think you are Malaysian then you are the most ignorant and idiotic Malaysian I’ve ever seen. Wanna blame Pakis? Go back to India and join the f***ing Army.

  95. Musharaf says:

    Feroz Merican (15:32:27) : That’s funny, you think I am using my real name?

    You are still IDIOT. I never say you come from Pakistan IDIOT.
    IDIOT I never say mamak come from Pakistan.
    IDIOT your parents also IDIOTS never explain to you how to understand.
    IDIOT your mother, father qalso uneducated IDIOTS so son also IDIOT.
    IDIOT your parents Fuc*ed and produce another IDIOT.
    IDIOT your mother S**T you out.
    Feroz Merican = FM = F***ked Madman

  96. Musharaf says:

    Fuc**d Madman aka Feroz Merican get fuc*k by kelante sodomis. Brain semua jam dah.

  97. Feroz Merican says:

    Go and tapow me two Guinness Stout and two Anchor Strong and buy 2 vadai for yourself.

  98. Musharaf says:

    You still IDIOT Fuc**d Madman now want thosai up the bloody ars.

  99. Musharaf says:

    Might as well you push Guinness Stout up your ars also while waiting for thosai. Fuc**ng IDIOT.

  100. Feroz Merican says:

    Why you always talking about ars* ? No other story, ah? Take a look at your sister bathing, la, forget about boys.

  101. Feroz Merican says:

    I tell you what, you go and get the whiskey from daddy’s cabinet, pour water in the bottle, then you bring, I give you 4 iddly with dhal.

  102. Musharaf says:

    Feroz Merican (15:52:55) : Take a look at your sister bathing, la, forget about boys.

    Ohoho ini f*cking madman no hope talking from experience. Habislah ini orang adik perempuan sendiri pun lanyak. Own bontot he get lanyak by orang kelante.
    No batang he take guiness stout for back comfort.

  103. Musharaf says:

    This F**king Madman own sister pun rape. Scumbag.

  104. Feroz Merican says:

    What are you still doing here? I told you to bring the whiskey !!! You can pour tea inside , to cover. Hurry up, la, you can stop smelling your sister’s panties…

  105. Musharaf says:

    Apa? You pakai your sister panty sekarang? Bagus. Get fu*k some more.

  106. Musharaf says:

    Pooki mamak pun dah cuba lah.

  107. Feroz Merican says:

    See you later, man , it was fun. I am sure you will pass SPM Malay with no problem.
    Just don’t spend too much time looking at single malay girls on the net, you have no hope. They want guys with money, cars and a steady job.

  108. Musharaf says:

    Mamak lagi syok. Free saje.

  109. Bronze Wall says:

    The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men
    Psalms 12:8

  110. Fatma says:

    “Malaysia’s Muslim men are suffering sleepless nights and cannot pray properly because their thoughts are distracted by a growing number of women who wear sexy clothes in public, a prominent cleric Nik Abdul Aziz said. “Our prayers become unfocused and our sleep is often disturbed.”

    Meaning that Muslim Men are too weakness, useless, no self-control and self discipline. They should be taught in their young age to show RESPECT toward women only then they could overcome such lust.

  111. rajraman666 says:

    courtofquran,
    thank you.
    lately i do receive some hatemail.(very scary one.)
    i dont know how they get my email.

    I telling the truth – any religion or hollybook always hijack for personal gain.NO holybook teach bad thing.I never badmouth of any religion accept badmouth about the people who use the holly book.

    The email came with Feroz Marican asking my comment regarding this topic without any email address.Normally i open my email at 5am, then i just click to this site.

    Feroz Merican never response,seems have a big fight.

    Thank you again.
    rajraman.never insult any religion but insult the people who use religion as a tools for personal gain.( i dont bother about religion,because i am a free thinker.dont know nuts about IT also)

  112. roy selvan says:

    What are the theological implications of swearing on the Bible? Presumably, this practice is based on the assumption that people take the Bible seriously. It is unclear whether this assumption was ever universally true, but it can certainly be challenged these days. Although the Judeo-Christian faith tradition informs the beliefs of many in our society, those who come from a different faith tradition or no faith tradition at all are growing in number. We are faced, then, with the simple reality that many take the Bible seriously and many do not. Either way, the theological implications must be considered carefully.

    On one hand, believers who take the Bible seriously are faced with a problem of Biblical authority. The term “Biblical authority” is a sticky one for Christians these days, often disappearing from the lexicon because of heated debates over the inerrancy of the text. But the inerrancy camp does not own the concept of Biblical authority, and the Bible does provide instruction about swearing. According to the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus specifically addressed swearing in his Sermon on the Mount, juxtaposing the old law with his new commandment.

    Again, you have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, “You shall not swear falsely, but carry out the vows you have made to the Lord.” But I say to you, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let your word be “Yes, Yes” or “No, No”; anything more than this comes from the evil one. Matt. 5:33-37, NRSV.

    When we swear with our hands on the Bible and assert the phrase “So help me God,” we disobey a clear instruction from one of Jesus’ most famous sermons. We should not do so mechanically, without careful soul searching.

    On the other hand, the reality that many do not take the Bible seriously poses a complicated set of problems for Christians. First, we must be concerned by the degree to which this civic ritual of swearing-in cheapens the calling of God’s name. Our hymns, psalms and prayers address a holy God who is our firm foundation, our mighty fortress, and our eternal Father; who made the mountains rise and created the glory of the skies; who abides with us, who causes us to stand, and who teaches us to proclaim that it is well with our soul; and who remains our hope, our creator, our beginning and our end. We bless the name of the Lord and call the name of God when we need a miracle. How, then, can we allow God’s name to become the tool of anyone who wants to practice law or testify in court? The perfunctory calling of God’s name renders the practice meaningless. We must reclaim the power of calling God’s name.

    So,Saiful even the Christians are against swearing using the Holy Book.There are great implications. If than,You are using Gods Name In Vain.

    We swept our dust from our feet and leave you in the Mercy of God.

  113. pasta says:

    Is there a plan to erase Hindu temples and crematoriums in Kuala Lumpur by 2020?

    http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/7946-hindu-sangam-press-statement

  114. haji luis says:

    pa ta orang tua babo ya

  115. cribabi says:

    (mStar Online) – Naib Ketua Pemuda Umno, Khairy Jamaluddin mencabar Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim supaya menyahut seruan pelbagai pihak dengan bersumpah bagi membersihkan diri beliau berhubung isu meliwat yang dihadapinya sekarang.

    Ketika berceramah di bilik gerakan Putera Umno di Seberang Jaya dekat sini malam tadi, Khairy berkata, “kalau benar terimalah cabaran ini.”

    “”Pada hari ini, ini bukan lagi soal politik, ini soal maruah.”

    “Kalau hendak pertahan maruah, sumpahlah untuk membuktikan apa yang dituduh oleh Saiful itu tidak betul,” kata beliau.

  116. wits0 says:

    Menyalak-er : “Rule no.1 for a vibrant democracy: No to theocracy.
    Democracy is “rule by the people”. Democracies should not permit religion to interefere with governance. Separation of state from religion, especially in a multiethnic, multicultural nation like ours….”

    A simple fact that needs to be repeated lest we forget amid all the fog.

    And kick out some of the ingrained and expanding sensitivities that are intentionally created to stiffle debate and the underlying truth of history. Stop the wicked revision of history.

    “..Hence, rationality and ‘idealism’ dictates that the next PM (must be ‘Malay’😉 should be ….. (hey, don’t joke-ah fellas)….”

    Not a problem.

    Let a government not talk down to its people.

  117. Menyalak-er says:

    “Let a govt, not talk down to its people.” wits0
    Those of us have been stifled too long, know this dear friend, but there are the hoarde of masochists who persistently love to be talked down to.
    Be it the federal, state instituitions, their clergy, clans, etc.
    There is severe loss in critical thinking and rationality, even in these blogs.
    I hold no illusions about a change in govt., but there will be respite from this form of suppression and forced compliance.
    How does a nation, with 2 cowed generations get crawl out of this mess? A period of anarchy, don’t you think?
    Not that i love Nietsche’ overmuch.
    Cheers.

  118. hamid says:

    Pope Hamid The First:

    Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar believes it is his prerogative and position to preach to the Catholic community in Bolehland on what they should and should not believe in.

    “Religion and politics should not mix”– he pontificates. This is ludicrous especially coming from a Minister whose political party’s interpretation of its own religion has politicised almost everything in Bolehland.

    The Home Minister hops on the bandwagon of the horde of “little mullah napoleons” (LMNs) in the country to dominate, dictate, decide and even define what non-Muslims can and cannot discuss, deliberate on, and display in print.

    http://lucialai.org/2008/08/20/home-minister-very-at-home-with-his-ignorance/

  119. wits0 says:

    Pope Hamid The First expresses the very audacious barf that dumbfounds and stupefies Bodohland which the slavish MSM simply pronounces uncritically like sacred truths. This is one grievous and known way of umno in insulting the people’s intelligence and intimidating thinking in the land.

    For a country to progress, you cannot afford such moronic pronouncements denigrating the people.

  120. Hemptress says:

    “If people let the Government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as Souls who live under tyranny.” – Thomas Jefferson

    “One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” – Plato

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither safety nor liberty.” – Ben Franklin

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” – Gandhi

    “New ideas pass through three periods:
    1) It can’t be done.
    2) It probably can be done, but it’s not worth doing.
    3) I knew it was a good idea all along!”

    -Arthur C. Clarke

  121. Menyalak-er says:

    Hi hamid, witso and Hemptress,
    Yeah, Pope Hamid I the Moron Pontificator/Provocateur.
    Truly one cannot find another asinine and clueless pervert as this, in the role of a gaurdian of ‘homeland security’ anywhere else in the world.
    His tentacles/testicles are everywhere trying to stop a simple irreversible phenomenon known as ‘people power’.
    Everytime his mouth opens, only flatuence ensues. I doubt he understands the quotes by Hemptress, his only quote being “I barf, as I will” as wits0 puts it.

  122. wits0 says:

    “I think, therefore I am” – Descartes

    “I barf, therefore I am” – SHA

    Verily, verily, menyalak-er, a more asinine ass spudhead is hard to find.

  123. Anonymous says:

    Hahaha… SHA, the desperate Descratic wannabe eh, wits0?
    Morals of a rutting hog.

  124. Feroz Merican says:

    Rajraman, I never sent you an email. I don’t even know who you are. If I was to send an email, it would be to friends I have known from March of this year, not to strangers like you. And besides , I never send emails anyway, nice try. You want my address, ask susan.

  125. Feroz Merican says:

    Besides , you can’t even write or speak English properly, why on earth would I e- mail a retard like you?

  126. rajes says:

    Khairy said in PP he is SIL of ulamak PM. So how come MIC and MCA can accept ulamak PM but blame DAP for talking to PAS (and they are not even the Cabinet)?

  127. wits0 says:

    Menyalak-er, the occult scandal resurfaces yet again :
    http://tinyurl.com/5b2hay

    Maybe you’ll need accompanying music as you read above:
    http://tinyurl.com/55nkru

  128. Menyalak-er says:

    Thanks wits0,
    What a barf, as we suspected these ‘gormless ones’ have reached new lows.
    I’m was quite stunned actually when RPK revealed that today in MT. Perhaps it would have been more effective if done slightly earlier, but i guess he has good reasons. As we’ve have implied, the whole leadership of bumno are worse than ‘pagans’ or at best ‘spiritists’. What would be a better term?
    Hahaha… truly if they have not brought up that ridiculously perverse salvo about Anwar being a Christian agent, we might not have seen this!
    In a way, this does reinforce your karmic view of retribution.
    Let’s see how they wriggle out of this, blardy worms!

  129. rajraman666 says:

    Feroz merican,
    case closed athou u insult me.

    rajraman.do u know in real life i can speak english and whack anyone including lawyers .current count 1500 plus customer with 1500 brain input from them.mess with me in real life you will cry like baby unless u are a wall.its wont exsorb.(exclude warlords)

  130. rajraman666 says:

    Feroz merican,
    No need to ask susan – she like a robot =just put in anything without moderating.

    rajraman.susan i remember once u moderate one issue about hindraf.

  131. rajraman666 says:

    sloone,
    thats why your hits high.
    you allow this bunch of drunken – up past six guys using all kind of vulgar words expecially this bastard feroz merican.i ask him politely he insult me.

    You should be very proud sloone,i thought freedoom of speech about the the topic.

    rajraman.best luck counting your next millions/billions hits sloone.
    maybe i cant write better but u sloone just looking for your hits counts.whatever i say about u i retract back.I will never use this kind of words in my life.i will never come back to your blogs after this to add another hits or read your blogs.u want me to cursed u – sorry sloone i dont cursed publicity seeking woman counting the next millions hits.

    in return i bless you.MAY THE SERENE SMILE OF BUDDHA ALWAYS WITH U.ANY EMAIL SEND TO ME UNDER YOUR OPINION RAJRAMAN666 WILL BE DELETE -feroz merican.

  132. rajraman666 says:

    sloone,
    thats why your hits high.
    you want to count the next millions/billions hits.

    I thought the freedom of speech for the above topic but u allows this kind of drunken half past six guys using all kind of vulgar words.fOR WHAT – to add to your next millions/billions hits.
    I ask feroz merican/dowson politely but he insults me.

    rajraman.please count the millions/billions hits sloone.you are same like donplaypunks.whatever i praise u i retract.in return i leave u this WITH OUT CURSING YOU.

    MAY THE SERENE SMILE OF BUDDHA BLESS YOU.

  133. wits0 says:

    Menyalak-er: “the whole leadership of bumno are worse than ‘pagans’ or at best ’spiritists’.”

    Strictly speaking, being a pagan, wiccan or what not is not an evil by itself. It’s that unquenchable greed for power and position like they really deserve them that is the true evil. With such a drive in them, there can be no room for humility or sense of shame and without them, all evils simply become possible.

  134. Menyalak-er says:

    Yep, agree to that, wits0.
    The word ‘pagan’ in this context was used to imply their disbelief in what they so professed, i.e. a monotheistic God. My apologies for not making it clearer. To these ultimate materialists – they used whatever religious tools with cynicism, and are opportunists even in the spiritual world. They are in fact ‘henotheists’ or ‘polytheists’, in practice – but for most part they are ‘spiritist’ or even ‘animistic’ believing in sorcery, magic, amulets, sacred writings, evil eyes, ‘buat’ (accursed) etc. That is where they lay claim to their ‘power’ – all that mumbo jumbo stuff. I guess that is what the ‘great hypocrisy’ of our ‘civilized’ nation is about – swearing and cussing all around.

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