Around 10,000 people have gathered in Kuala Lumpur at short notice to show their support for the embattled Anwar Ibrahim tonight.

Following his police report at the Shah Alam police station, where he revealed how the IGP and AG conspired against him in his 1998-9 sodomy trial, Anwar held a press conference in PKR’s office in Tropicana, and then headed off for a people’s gathering tonight at Melawati Stadium.

At the time of writing, no untoward incident had occured, and everyone was at their best and disciplined, with of course, chants of reformasi filling the air.

According to those at the rally, Anwar’s mood was “fiery”, and that he has delivered one of his best speeches ever. It was apparent that he was very angry, too, at the latest crisis facing him, his family and supporters.

Anwar vowed to fight till the end and that he will go after his enemies. He made the chief of the Shah Alam police station promise him that the police report he had just lodged against the IGP and AG be thoroughly investigated.

He warned those with bad intentions not to disturb or make trouble for his children and his wife, Wan Azizah Wan Ismail. It seems someone from the BN camp had been very, very rude (biadap) to Wan Azizah today.

He openly declared war with Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and Najib Tun Razak.

It seems there is evidence that Saiful Bukhairy Azlan, the volunteer who tried to get Anwar into trouble with a sodomy charge was in close contact with the DPM’s office.

It was learnt that someone from PKR had already made a statutory declaration on the connection between Saiful and the DPM, and his wife Rosmah Mansor.

The crowd wasn’t very supportive of Rosmah, too. Everytime her face flashed on the big screen on the stage, the crowd booed.

It seems a meeting between the young lad had even taken place as early as 6am in the DPM’s office. Hmm, highly suspicious, isn’t it?

Not forgetting or wanting to forgo his September 16 plan, Anwar told the crowd that PKR will have to delay the announcement of cross-overs from BN to Pakatan Rakyat, in order to stabilise the situation now.

He managed to entertain the crowd with a joke or two, like there was no proof that he would not be harmed eventhough he wore a bullet proof jacket. “What if they hit me on the head? Altantuya was C4-ed, wasn’t she?”

He also joked that “At least I have pain in my back bones, but those people (referring to his trouble-makers) have no back bone at all”.

Anwar will go nationwide to explain the latest political crisis. He also clarified that the reason why he listened to his advisor and decided to go to the Turkish Embassy was because there was fear that he would be arrested immediately and would be cut off from the rest of the world.

He had to find some time in the Embassy to plan for the next step.

98 responses »

  1. yk says:

    Aiyoooo… Where are the 4 MPs? Why is he always stalling. Goddammit lah. Buat suspen saja.

  2. Kenny Gan says:

    Sodomee Part 2 – this time the government will get a black eye. But that’s just the start. When it’s over, BN will lose its moral right to rule and will be kicked out.

    Fight them tooth and nail, Anwar! The public is supporting you!

  3. Yeah says:

    There isn’t too many inspirational leaders like Anwar Ibrahim. He planned his strategy well. Excellent. Excellent. That is all i can say.

  4. For Anwar, this is the NOW or NEVER time. If he is convicted this time, UMNO will not let him out alive and well.

    So Anwar will have to go for it, for he may never get another chance.

  5. callister says:

    everything is so confusing nowadays. personally, i do like DSAI cos for me he’s a decent man. But, please do something Mr.Anwar, don’t let people smear your name. Susan i just wanted to say that i like ur writing. i wish that i can write like u someday..

  6. justice M says:

    The mood of the nation is overwhelmingly for Anwar.I can see the steely determination his face when he said he will never allow himself to be back into the situation in 1998.Please do not forget fellow Malaysians the man who was behind the 1998 fiasco-Dr. M.Do not forget his first comments after the 1998 assault was that the assault by the then IGP (Rahim Omar??) was self inflicted.
    It could mean if anything happen to Anwar they will be saying the same thing.
    This is the darkest hour for Malaysia before the dawn.
    We must change the government by 16 Sept or perish for another 50 years of mis-government.

  7. Dr Adrian says:

    Those behind is conspiracy to stop Anwar Ibrahim from being the New PM of Malaysia are the real enemies of the Country.
    These Crooks,Thieves who have have been raping the Country Wealth have no Morals,no backbones,no shame, no values- nothing but dirty people of the lowest order-not to mention murderers amongst them. Do Malaysians want such low life Politicians to be in Government ……NO! NO !NO !
    Malaysians of all races unite- BERSATU to fight EVIL !
    The RAKYAT is solidly with Anwar ! The Truth & Justice will prevail !
    Hidup Rakyat! Hidup Pakatan Rakyat !

  8. Observer says:

    Anwar Ibrahim isn’t inspirational, he’s just another opportunist who managed to sucker a number of people. You are naive and dumb to believe Anwar’s “inspirational” crap.

    I think he is a disgusting, two-face low life of a politician, who is attempting to stir sympathy for himself. I cannot trust him, and neither should you. The Malaysian Opposition should realize that they are bigger than any one man, bigger than Anwar Ibrahim. The Malaysian Opposition is not Anwar Ibrahim and Anwar Ibrahim is not the Malaysian Opposition.

    Malaysia deserves better, not damaged goods.

  9. Ah Singh says:

    Melayu, cina, tamil, singh

    semua support Pakatan Rakyat!!

    Yahoo!! Kita Boleh.

    Anwar is the best. Kita tak percaya lain.

  10. elephant says:

    in cygerspace the rakyat got elelphant memory, they don’t forget easily

  11. ghenjis khan says:

    I was there in Stadium, once again, the majority are Malays. And the Stadium was filled up with young people ie. meaning 18 – 40.

    And sitting behind was a whole family of father mother plus the grandmother together with her grandsons and granddaughters all the way from Datok Kramat.

    It goes to show how they care about their future.

    Many are beginning to see that, in UMNO Leadership, the good and honourable people are few in numbers which you can count with your fingers and they are the exception.

    They rest of the UMNO leadership starting with the Bahagian right up to the ADUN and MPs, they are there to perpectuate a government of Deceit and Robbers of raayat’s money !

    They are poisoning the minds of their own familes first, then,their relatives and their own unthinking community. They are racists and racialists to the core but pretend to be good Muslims.

    And the few rotten Police, Judiciary, AG, and Civil Service are their pawns to shuffle about in the dirty game of politiking.

    The trouble with Malaysians at large we tend to entertain DOUBTS abou this matter and that matter.

    Always begin with certainty about something, starting with however small it is and build from there.

    eg. the last time 1998 Anwar was blacked eye by the rotten Rahim Noor who happens to be the IGP. We saw the pictures and this is CERTAINTY and cannot be self-inflicted.

    Mahathir says, it was self inflicted , so you know this megalomaniac mad man is rotten Muslim …. no Muslim who is decent, honourable who devoutly prays and trust in Allah would say, anythign of this kind.

    Therefore, you must conclude , this man has a FLAW in his beliefs and INNER spiritual .

    And TRUE as the Sun that comes out fromt he East, the Royal Commission proves that Mahathir is pathological LIAR !

    Muslims, Christians , Hindus, Taoist must remember this character of man Mahathir who claims himself to be a Muslim …….

    If Malaysians loev him for the Twin Towers, Toll Roads and Gigantic Waste of Public Money of Megalomaniiac projects ….. then, Unthinking Malaysians love Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Chairman Mao, Ceaucescu and the many other Dictators of World History ……starting with Pharoahs who built monuments you see in Egypt.

    Muhammad, Jesus, even Moses did not build monuments … tell me what did Lao Tze or Confucius or the Vedantist gurus left behind …

    They left behind lasting values in your heart to be decent, fair, and true to yourself and not LYING as a leader.

  12. khalib says:

    Observer,please go far far,we don’t need you here!.You are talking rubbish.Any way ,person like you, just a specimen within our social community.

  13. Angry Malaysian says:

    Can Anwar be convicted on false charges again? I have to say that he can. It needs the co-operation of the PM, AG, the Police, a compliant judge and a controlled press.

    The PM appears to be clueless on the plot but he will not be PM for long. The trail appears to lead to the DPM who has a Machievallian streak as mean as Mahathir. He will soon take over.

    The AG is Gani Patail who was the Public Prosecutor during Anwar’s infamous 1998 trial. No problem here.

    The Chief of Police is Musa Hassan who was the Chief Investigating Officer for Anwar’s trial in 1998. Again, no problem.

    I suppose they can always call back Augustine Paul to do extra national service but it’s not necessary. There are no lack of corrupt judges willing to serve their political masters.

    The press is less slavish now than under Mahathir’s time but still lack a backbone. They will not publish anything explosive against the establishment. (eg. RPK’s SD)

    It is depressing to note that 10 years down the line, conditions in Malaysia are still in place to convict and innocent man.

    When it’s done, Malaysia will be a pariah country where the rule of law is concerned.

    But what is different now?

    The alternative media is more developed now but there was also Internet and malaysiakini in 1998. It will not change the course of events.

    The opposition is stronger and control 5 states but they are still outnumbered in Parliament.

    BN faces political uncertainty from defections. This may persuade some conscientious MPs to hop over but don’t count on MCA and MIC goons.

    Umno is in turmoil. This is the one factor which may make a possible difference. Not all Umno leaders may agree to this vile act.

    AAB has no mean streak and appears to be not part of the plot. He can use his powers to stop this charade while he still sits in Putrajaya, if he has not lost control.

    Will he do it? Mr. Badawi, if you have to go then go but at least do one last good for Malaysia before the country goes to the dogs.

    If you have lost control, call all conscientious MPs to support a motion of no-confidence against you in Parliament, then dissolve Parliament and call fresh elections.

    By this act, you can stop Malaysia sliding down to a failed state like Zimbabwe.

  14. Kenny Gan says:

    Observer, if you beilieve in the scurrilous allegations against Anwar, I have some swampland to sell you in Florida.

  15. Very Concerned says:

    What is happening to our beloved country? Are we sliding down the road to Zimbabwe?

  16. ah long says:

    Observer, whether Anwar is good or bad is for each individual to decide. We don’t need BN to decide for us. What he did or did not do in his private sex life should not be the main issue.

    Bill Clinton got screw Monica but big deal !!! Many Americans still hold the opinion that he was one of their better Presidents. Certainly much better than Bush Snr and Jnr.

    Sinilarily Anwar could be a better leader than AAB or NTR. Let’s give him the benefit of a doubt and see what he can do. If we don’t Reform we will surely Mati.

  17. imwatchingu says:

    The extend the BN government will go to keep themselves in power is reallly firghtening. Murder, trump-up charges, sex, money to buy people. Imagine what ordinary Malaysians like us being totally powerless if we were ever to face the police and judiciary if we were incarcerated. Damn scary.

    By the way Susan, is our personal details safe by responding to your blog?

  18. feifei says:

    I was there 10 years ago at Anwar’s house the night after his arrest giving him and his family my little support. Yesterday I was there again at the stadium showing him how much the people care for him and our concern for our nation. We were there for the future of ourselves and our children. Only a great leader with an ultimate mission to liberate a nation from tyranny is destined to face such inhumane persecution for a second time.

  19. cindy says:

    Everyone deserves to pen down their opinions, whether they agree with you or not, correct? If we only want to hear what we want, how different are we from the same people we condemn?

    Emotions are running high at this moment but we must remain calm and rasional, think carefully our words and actions. Generally, I prefer Gandhi’s approach vs street demonstrations / aggressive approach. This is not our way. What are we promoting for Malaysia here?

  20. Pengundi Senyap says:

    This how BN goverment divert people’s concern and dificulties due price hike name it petrol etc….
    But there is another joker Ezam made ACA report on PR Selangor goverment plea for donation to celebrate 100 days.

    And there is many more to come…..this is all planned by BN political master-mind (locally or advised by their jews advisor) to attacked PR goverment…

    May I suggest that PR to formed Task-Forced to counter attack against those BN leaders and Ezam….of their wrong-doing.

  21. Grill says:

    A Battle Only Anwar To Win
    2

    07

    2008
    That is all I need to say about this latest backdoor incident that forced Saiful Bukhari to enter the police station through the front door.

    No matter whichever way this saga will be heading, no matter whether Anwar will be brought to justice or to prison (again). Be it the front door or the backdoor, the result amongst the majority will be the same, via back or front door, Anwar is innocent.

    Or this could be the opening of the backdoor for Anwar to be the next Prime Minister of Malaysia.
    http://kickdefella.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/a-battle-only-anwar-to-win/#comments

  22. crower says:

    1. Who is diverting who’s attention ?

    2. If DSAI can declare to the world that he’s innocent, so can the accuser in declaring that he was sodomised.

    3. No one’s filling defamation suit against DSAI for this rally right ? It’s his right, he used it, no one bothered to stop him.

    4. On the other hand, a citizen files a police report against DSAI, DSAI files defamation suit againt the complainant. Keadilan anyone ?

    5. Crossover ? What crossover ? I know for one thing the chicken did cross the road.

    6. If there ever was a more suitable time to announce the crossover, the time is now. The time where DSAI needs the support from the people. The crossover can provide a big moral boost to DSAI and Keadilan.

  23. I do not trust DSAI much but to choose between UMNO and him I will give DSAI a try for a term to head the Government.
    I am sure, just like most Malaysians, this is only to show how much hatred there is for UMNO.

  24. Julie t says:

    Yes, Susan, yours is one of my very favourite blogs. You hold no punches and sure fights for the underdogs – that I like. I like how you poke at the Altantuya case.

    All of us believe Anwar has been framed. We are truly sick of the infernal politiking by BN and their corrupted cronies. We are impatient to see them out and a new government in.

  25. MustaphaOngNZ says:

    Something to crow about:

    Berita Utusan 1:
    Inflasi naik hingga tujuh peratus bulan lalu
    BASEL, Switzerland 1 Julai – Kadar inflasi negara telah meningkat kepada enam hingga tujuh peratus pada bulan lalu dan Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) dijangka mengenakan dasar monetari sekiranya berlaku peningkatan harga yang menyeluruh.

    http://dppwp.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/inflasi-cecah-7-bursa-malaysia-jatuh-kepada-117483-mata/

    Interest rates definitely to go up soon. Enjoy.

  26. UMNODU says:

    Hie Susan.

    Thanks for the report.

    We believe that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. But it is hard to dispel the lingering doubt about DSAI.

    He is a great motivator, a wonderful orator, a brilliant tactician…but is HE a good leader? We wish to remind everyone that this same man was holding the DPM office for a good number of years…what has he accomplished?

    And now, as the head of the Opposition, he is just playing the Pied Piper. Where is the New Economic Agenda? Where is this freedom of information? Pakatan Rakyat’s government is just playing along to the tune…and the tune is set by DSAI to the detriment of all Malaysians.

    Frankly, and this is my personal opinion, a lot of the Pakatan Rakyat’s goals and objectives are good for the future of Malaysia but the only thing holding a lot of people into supporting the ideals is the leadership (or lack of) of Anwar.

    Ponder these thoughts:)

    A Conversation About Liwat
    http://umnodu.blogspot.com

  27. crower says:

    1. What concerns me is that the public have already made their conclusion, which is quite disturbing.

    2. Innocent or guilty, it is not for the public to decide.

    3. The day when the public decides who’s guilty and who’s innocent, anarchy will exist.

    4. Let the system do its work.

  28. xy says:

    putting the entire destiny of a nature in one man, well i think that’s not very healthy.

    Anwar owes to all rakyat a glimpse of the line-up of his government-in-waiting. Where is his shadow cabinet, economic, social and healthcare policies etc. Some of his past remarks in the capacity of DPM did bother some fo us.

    if he means good for the country, well and fine. If it is personal revenge, then he is taking the entire nation for a ride.

  29. xy says:

    sorrry typo in earlier comment. should be “….putting the entire destiny of a NATION…”

  30. No2faceaugmentationgoeswronglikecrackojakco says:

    Observer said, on July 2nd, 2008 at 3:19 am.

    __________________________________________
    Observer,

    Anwar may not be the best credible candidate for PM to the like of Karpal Singh. LKS (at least for me) BUT like our dearest, sweetest, courageous, caring, meekness, influential, inspirational, un-augmentated mug, beautiful friend Susan Loone said “This country has been sodomize for 50 years” and I really really want a change.

    And dear my learned observer,

    Your observation is far less inspiring, coz the truth is that people want a DAMN change
    from this venal BN regime. In the pre-Democrat Presidential Candidate and sometime during it, Hilary Clinton was clear favourite to Obama based on pundits and opinion polls.

    But Obama’s acerbity, and his plight and promise “For Change” attracted many swing voters and most of his voters was the distaff-side.

    Malaysia definitely need a change and the time is NOW.

  31. […] Susan Loone – 10,000 show up at Anwar’s rally in Kuala Lumpur […]

  32. Observer, you have eaten alot of UMNO shit, perhaps you are one of them speaking the same tune and writing like shit to dirty the place here. Can you f**k off? We, RAKYAT will send BN/UMNO, to H**L FOREVER! Those goons are corrupted, greedy, lies, cheats, robs, etc etc and you are one of them!!

  33. irene says:

    With the recent sodomeeee case, I am greatly disturbed and troubled and also very ashamed of our Federal Govt – Barang Naik (BN) Govt. I just wish that Barang Naik will turn very soon! Such intellectual leaders we have! Such smart leaders we have! Always trying to use very smart and disgusting tactics to put DSAI down. Why can’t they be man enough to face DSAI man-to-man. Maybe they should elect Azalina to face him! I am going to run away from this country. I do not want my children to live in a country where the leaders use “SODOMEEEE” as a tool to fight…. What a shame!

  34. BobbyNZ says:

    They are facinated by the only sodomite who aspires to be the next PM.

  35. Hahaha! says:

    Ref: UMNODU

    Lingering doubt on DSAI is yet to be proven, the BN had 50years and at least 30 years of abuses by these crooked and evil asses. Need I say more?
    “If your eyes see no evil, your ears hear no evil and your mouth speaks evil”….I conclude,
    you are a blooming gonna!!

  36. caravanserai says:

    When you play deputy
    You can’t do much in any organization
    You can’t move on your own
    Without getting clearance from your Boss

    Be honest with it
    Playing deputy is the punching bag
    A cunning Boss will use it
    And the deputy has to cover every time

    When you are the Boss
    Then you will know what to do
    Not when you are a deputy
    You have to toe the line

    Anwar couldn’t do much
    He needed his Boss then to give the green light
    As everything else in an organization
    A deputy has to swallow pride

    Now when the punching bag is gone
    The dirty tricksters still want it back
    Without it they feel lost in the office
    They just chickens never know where to poke in

    So now we see
    The punching bag is gone
    The BN/UMNO leaders don’t know what to do
    Finding ways to neutralize
    The punching bag walks free
    Going out on its own
    For the light makes it free

  37. sloone,

    where did u get the information saying meeting starts at 6am in DPM’s office?? Source please.

    Can rakyat be impartial and not to judge saiful or anwar. Let the judiciary runs it’s course.

    Anwar said in malaysiakini video few months ago after GE12, he didn’t go to Hong Kong to fish Yong Teck Lee, and today YTL confessed he met anwar in Hong Kong. Is YTL bluffing? His credibility is questionable.

    If Anwar manage to get 4 MPs from BN to crossover, so what? BN still have 136 MPs and run the government. Plus, crossing over, hijacking, sabotaging current government is to a certain extent as unethical as liwat!

    There is no way malaysia will be run by a back-door-government! Matlamat tidak menghalalkan cara.

    I cry for justice to both anwar and saiful.. IF saiful is telling the truth, I will be damned if my support to anwar’s popularity and his dream of clinching that PM title do injustice to saiful. If anwar is telling the truth, there is only one way to prove it, prove it in court not stadium melawati. Anwar talks a lot, promises moons and mountains but….

    I’m starting to get tired of Malaysia’s political circus..

    http://www.ruzaimiramza.wordpress.com

  38. MustaphaOngNZ says:

    I like circuses and fireworks. There must be more with AG and IGP doing cartwheels now.

  39. new era says:

    AI case should not be handled by the current AG as he is implicated by AI in the past case,
    AI should also bring TDM in as he was the country’s highest executive in power at that time.
    Let’s fry all 3 of them in court – they think with their power they can manipulate justice to their whims!

    The thing I would like to ask is whether Saiful was indeed sodomised and if so by whom?
    It is obvious that his anus must have been penetrated.
    Is he a gay or maybe bisexual?
    Maybe he is under mind control, made to believe that AI was doing it.

  40. xy says:

    cross-over, a short cut to power, should not be encouraged if we believe in the power of the people and the right of voters.

    who gives these elected MPs the right to jump? Where’s the voters’ right?

    Many want change, there is nothing wrong in this. But if means justify end, then I am afraid we have lost even before we start.

  41. jean says:

    I remember years ago in India. They burnt the cinema bcoz they disagreed on the way the movie ended. Must be a very good performance by the actor.

    Some people are just good at it. Some could even play any character. A monk, an imam, a priest. Some managed to convince that they can play president and yes, in some cases they became one. A very convincing act.

    And yes, the verdict is out. Lets conclude it here and now. The saiful guy lied and anwar is innocent. There is a conspiracy against him. There is no two way about it. Let us not wait for any medical report. Go to hell with police investigation. Anwar is innocent. He said so and his wife said so too. Nothing else will make a better evident. Nothing.

    Lets go to the street and chant reformasi… reformasi… because anwar said so.

  42. Charli88 says:

    All Malaysian who love this country dearly must pray very very hard. So DSAI able to get out of this situation safe and sound to continue championing “ketuanan rakyat” and to over throw this biadab gomen ASAP. Or we the Rakyat will be enslaved until the next GE13. Malaysia be afford to be sodomised again. Pls help. Anyone listening ?

  43. Kenny Gan says:

    UMNODU said, on July 2nd, 2008 at 8:47 am

    >We believe that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. But it is hard to dispel >the lingering doubt about DSAI.

    There’s no doubt about the robber barons leaders in Umno.

    >He is a great motivator, a wonderful orator, a brilliant tactician…but is HE a good >leader? We wish to remind everyone that this same man was holding the DPM office >for a good number of years…what has he accomplished?”

    What can he accomplish as part of the corrupt party Umno which tolerate no dissent? And don’t say he was part of them because he was sacked for refusing to join them in robbing the nation.

    >And now, as the head of the Opposition, he is just playing the Pied Piper. Where is >the New Economic Agenda? Where is this freedom of information?”

    The MEA is available at PKR website and other places on the net. Did you bother to look?

    “Pakatan Rakyat’s government is just playing along to the tune…and the tune is set by DSAI to the detriment of all Malaysians.”

    Guess who sets the tune in BN for everybody else? Do I hear Umno? And tell us why to the detriment of all Malaysians?

    >Frankly, and this is my personal opinion, a lot of the Pakatan Rakyat’s goals and >objectives are good for the future of Malaysia but the only thing holding a lot of >people into supporting the ideals is the leadership (or lack of) of Anwar.

    Do you prefer the Najis guy?

    >Ponder these thoughts🙂

    I’m pondering why your nick is UMNODU. But of course!

  44. David Chan says:

    Dear ALL …,
    This “Anwar” episode have appear again in Malaysia, sad to say we seem like back to few years back, let’s the police gather all the evidence before we commment…, I am not any supporter of BN or Opposition but just my general view only, on few points… ASK YOURSELF …
    (1) After the NEGATIVE public reaction to the BN before election, which after election we saw them losing 5 states,etc, you all STILL THINK the BN are “naive or childish” enough to USE the same old method (sodomy) to plot Anwar this time ?, as this everyone know will bring more damage to the BN, WHY we never think it is Anwar plan to get sympathic or etc…
    (2) Everytime Anwar saying there’s defactor from the BN, etc but until now we seen NONE and some even denied it (Example MCA,etc), if he really want to contest, etc, just go ahead, WHY wait ? if he really say he really have 4 BN,etc to join Opposition this week and contest for a seat in parliment, just go ahead, NO ONE stop him even after this incident, He can go AHEAD, WHY have to delay ?This we will wonder, is all his words is TRUE ? IF I am him and have enough “cross-over” and etc to my opposition party, I will straight away DONE it, not need always talk and wait….,
    (3) Last time during the financial crisis, Anwar have failed to save the country from problem by trying to borrow from world bank…, instead of “currency control” by Dr Mahathir which prove working, if on that time we follow Anwar method, we will owe world bank lot of money, busy paying interest,etc. WE are talking about “A CAPABLE LEADER TO LEAD THE COUNTRY” not any “PARTY LEADER”, as when we choose the wrong leader, THAT’s IT…, we are losing job, instability, etc ….
    (4) Why can’t Anwar wait and not so hurry want to become “PRIME MINISTER” and take over the present government ?. why can’t he wait for next general election ?, etc … Now Opposition won 5 states, why can’t he not leading them to develop this 5 states by creating more job, business,etc instead of STRIKE, MASS GATHERING, take over government, etc which all this will bring a bad image to the outside world and damage to our country economy …. As Abdullah has promised a major reform, just let Abdullah “PROVE to the PEOPLE during this 5 years” time, since citizen already decide and election already over …
    (5) IF Anwar is Prime Minister one day, ARE WE ALL SURE our life will be better ?, when he Deputy Prime Minister, it is “NO”
    LAST, we all have family to feed, we need a good job, good business and need a stable environment for our present and future generation, all this incident will bring us NOWHERE …
    Mmmm, now what I can see is someone insist want to become the “FUTURE PRIME MINISTER” (I don;t know what is the reason…) and our ECONOMY may turn from “bad to worst” if all this “POLITIC PROBLEM DO NOT STOP NOW” and everyone still NOT concentrate to solve the present economy situation and further develop our beloved country….
    This is all my GENERAL VIEW ONLY …., as an ordinary MALAYSIAN CITIZEN and I LOVE MY COUNTRY and miss all the stable envionment we used to have and enjoy ….

  45. David Chan says:

    Dear ALL …,.. Malaysiakini
    This “Anwar” episode have appear again in Malaysia, sad to say we seem like back to few years back, let’s the police gather all the evidence before we commment…, I am not any supporter of BN or Opposition but just my general view only, on few points… ASK YOURSELF …
    (1) After the NEGATIVE public reaction to the BN before election, which after election we saw them losing 5 states,etc, you all STILL THINK the BN are “naive or childish” enough to USE the same old method (sodomy) to plot Anwar this time ?, as this everyone know will bring more damage to the BN, WHY we never think it is Anwar plan to get sympathic or etc…
    (2) Everytime Anwar saying there’s defactor from the BN, etc but until now we seen NONE and some even denied it (Example MCA,etc), if he really want to contest, etc, just go ahead, WHY wait ? if he really say he really have 4 BN,etc to join Opposition this week and contest for a seat in parliment, just go ahead, NO ONE stop him even after this incident, He can go AHEAD, WHY have to delay ?This we will wonder, is all his words is TRUE ? IF I am him and have enough “cross-over” and etc to my opposition party, I will straight away DONE it, not need always talk and wait….,
    (3) Last time during the financial crisis, Anwar have failed to save the country from problem by trying to borrow from world bank…, instead of “currency control” by Dr Mahathir which prove working, if on that time we follow Anwar method, we will owe world bank lot of money, busy paying interest,etc. WE are talking about “A CAPABLE LEADER TO LEAD THE COUNTRY” not any “PARTY LEADER”, as when we choose the wrong leader, THAT’s IT…, we are losing job, instability, etc ….
    (4) Why can’t Anwar wait and not so hurry want to become “PRIME MINISTER” and take over the present government ?. why can’t he wait for next general election ?, etc … Now Opposition won 5 states, why can’t he not leading them to develop this 5 states by creating more job, business,etc instead of STRIKE, MASS GATHERING, take over government, etc which all this will bring a bad image to the outside world and damage to our country economy …. As Abdullah has promised a major reform, just let Abdullah “PROVE to the PEOPLE during this 5 years” time, since citizen already decide and election already over …
    (5) IF Anwar is Prime Minister one day, ARE WE ALL SURE our life will be better ?, when he Deputy Prime Minister, it is “NO”
    LAST, we all have family to feed, we need a good job, good business and need a stable environment for our present and future generation, all this incident will bring us NOWHERE …
    Mmmm, now what I can see is someone insist want to become the “FUTURE PRIME MINISTER” (I don;t know what is the reason… and our ECONOMY may turn from “bad to worst” if all this “POLITIC PROBLEM DO NOT STOP NOW” and everyone still NOT concentrate to solve the present economy situation and further develop our beloved country….
    This is all my GENERAL VIEW ONLY …., as an ordinary MALAYSIAN CITIZEN and I LOVE MY COUNTRY and miss all the stable envionment we used to have and enjoy ….

  46. MustaphaOngNZ says:

    `all the stable envionment we used to have and enjoy ….`

    Horse manure is good fertiliser it is said.

  47. Kenny Gan says:

    David,

    If Anwar is PM one day, I cannot be 100% sure our lives will be better but I’m 100% sure if we continue under BN rule for the next 15-20 years, we’ll end up like Zimbabwe.

    The status quo may be more comfortable than the great unknown but we won’t remain where we are because we’re sliding down economically and socially due to the robber barons in BN who are hell bent on keeping their grip on power no matter what it takes.

    And yes, I believe Umno is naive enough to use the same tactic. If you understand their psychology of no respect for the people’s intelligence and the use of force to ride roughshod over public opinion, you’ll believe it too.

  48. george says:

    “Only a great leader with an ultimate mission to liberate a nation from tyranny is destined to face such inhumane persecution for a second time.” This is a very important & strong message to our fellow Malaysians…

    It take a great man leader to restore the order and values of the nation and to be work hand in hand across racial and ethin lines and to build a great nation which meant to be at the very 1st day of our nation independence. This need all rakyat support and involvement…

    p/s: Negara ku, our national anthem is playing in my mind… and I felt so proud being Malaysian and my love of my nation, Malaysia.

  49. Anwar_jambu says:

    DSAi once again try to get sympathy from people. He knows his plan this far not work. So, another consipracy-like episode will much help. People will believe this is once again Govt’s conspiracy to get rid of him. Good plan. Congrate to DSAI. He maybe think he can deviate people’s attention from his stupid plan for now. He knows his ‘tukar kerajaan’ plan not work, his ‘lompat parti plan’ screw, his long dream to be PM seems to be far from reach, he will be laughed by people, me and his wife …maybe. All this is so unacceptable for him. Aiyaaah….where to hide face. Sudah alang-alang malu baik buat malu terus.

    DSAI = Bangsa Melayu pemusnah Melayu.

    To my friend chinese, India, Singh… if he can hurt the Malays, he have no problem to do the same to all of you too. Beware from this sumpah-sumpah.

  50. ibecameAslackerbecauseofmalaysia says:

    Dr. M is behind this. i so know it. the thing is…when you persist in wrongdoing, your heart is blinded and you don’t see what you’re doing is wrong anymore. you become immune to it. I’ve lost hope seriously. for as long as Dr. M is alive, this shit will continue to happen. man, he’s so old already, i’m just waiting for him to die. He won’t die, because God is just waiting for him to repent before He takes away Dr. M’s life. Which will be…oh…never. All i can say is, may God guide him to the right path. Then he can die, and we’ll all be happy.

  51. […] least 7,000 show up at Anwar’s rally … Susan said that it was about 10,000 people there yesterday. I wasn’t there, she wasn’t there, […]

  52. kittykat46 says:

    I’m having Sodo Mee for lunch today.
    Can’t afford anything more than that after yesterday’s price hike.

    I wonder what would happen if we have another 50 years of BN-style stability, nay , another 5 years of BN-stability.

    I was in Vietnam on a working trip last week. They are going to be looking at us through the rear-view mirror soon.

    Have a nice day everyone.

  53. Concerned Citizen says:

    Where did this Sodomite get so much money to run the recent election campaign? Was PKR financed by the CIA? CIA funded Saddam Hussain and Osama Bin Laden didnt they?

  54. sava says:

    CIA also fund Badawi and UMNO (oil for food scandal, scomi).

  55. Mamat says:

    Why must our resources diverted from the real problem such as inflation, unemployment, high profile murder case, etc..etc ??

  56. WhereisBambooRiver?Longtimenosee. says:

    BN regime has got to end after years of plundering, power-abuse, and corruption.

    I see many is against Anwar Ibrahim of assuming the premiership whether it is because of his un-inspirational track records when he was in BN and/or an anathema but HE is the only hope that we have got. Second to none. I am talking anarchy.

  57. Hahaha! says:

    crower bro: System? Mana ada system in bolehland! Did you just return from another
    planet.

  58. jagen says:

    pakatan rakyat boleh.u can change this country. better than barisan

  59. jagen says:

    dont think about own .think about people ,makkal sakti

  60. sklee says:

    Susan,
    Thank you very much for the comprehensive report.From the available leaders in Malaysia presently, only Anwar possesses the credibility and ability to lead us forward.What we want is a democratic multi-racial government that is fair to everyone and Anwar can be the leader for such a government!
    I am sure many of us will want to give Anwar this chance as our future is at stake!

  61. David Chan says:

    Dear friends,

    Reply from : MustaphaOngNZ said, on July 2nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
    ANSWER : What I mean is “stable envionment and used to enjoy is”…, compare to other country, example : …AT LEAST we can have our teh tarik at the middle of the night outside without worry people come to us and rob us while we having our teh tarik, AT LEAST, we not worry when we went out there’s strike, etc and have to avoid certain road, worry about the strike will become violent, how to protect our family, etc … AT LEAST, we not worry when we take certain public transport, they will rob us everything and left only underwear, dump us on the street, AT LEAST, we not worry most time we drove on the road, someone will stop & stand at middle of the road, holding a hammer, demanding the drive to get down, rob everything, hope ONE DAY we WILL NOT face all this, as this real incident most time happen with some of my colleague/friends country of resident …..

    Reply from : Kenny Gan said, on July 2nd, 2008 at 10:47 am
    ANSWER : Before you reply to this, have you live in other country before ? or have colleague from other country tell you about their sad living story ?, I have many friends/colleague from different country during my study/working life and sometimes when they talk about their country of resident, I just feel in certain way, Malaysia is better…., Well, endup like Zimbabwe, BUT question: did u really understand in-deep what actually happen in Zimbabwe, how about if Opposition rule we will endup like Zimbabwe as until now they have no plan or action to improve the 5 states economy, only busy with politic and digging other people fault ?. Well, u mention “robber barons in BN”, did BN people come to your house and rob you of your job, money and etc at the middle of night before ?, last time most people still have stable job, unemployment not so high, businesss o’kay, all because the politic and economy is stable ? IF you mention without proof, “BN is really naive enough to use the same tactics”…, then sorry to say we also believe you naive enough to believe what Anwar claim, in law everything need proof,etc and we must act “practically” NOT “emotionally” because at last we are the one lost (if act emotionally).

    All of us will sure angry with the fuel price hike, etc but if you study the economy it is not only happen in Malaysia, it even happen in other country which produce oil, it is not anyone fault but just some greedy people behind all this to make the price worldwide UP, For malaysia oil company, please read their yearly fianancial report where their money go, as I curious why many people keep on saying simply spend money, no report,etc. At least, malaysia increase oil price, they given subsidy like RM600 plus per year for car owner, etc, some country NO subsidy at all and etc….

    Well, in my opinion, for many of us, we all tired of reading all the politic and economy problem in Malaysia…., as at last, we are the one lost …., generally, a country need stability in economy and politic to develop the economy …., I don;t care what is last time Mahathir era but what we must admit is we can see the present government is trying hard to change …., although it takes times…

    just my opinion only …, have a nice day everyone ……

  62. Agigp says:

    It seems fantastic but it seems that Saiful’s stepfather is related to the Prime Minister’s daugther-in-law. In other words, Saiful’s stepfather is Kamaluddin Badawi’s uncle by marriage. Meaning that he is the uncle to Kamal’s wife.

    http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2008/07/did-you-know-that-saiful-is-related-to.html

  63. Agigp says:

    PM & The Oil for Food Scandal

    More than half of the 4,500 companies – from 60 countries – involved in the oil-for-food programme paid kickbacks or surcharges to the Iraqi government, Mr Volcker reported.

    The single largest bribe came from a Malaysian trading company, Mastek, which paid Iraq $10bn over a prolonged period, the report found.
    http://bangmalaysia.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/oil-for-food-scandal/#more-515

  64. David Chan says:

    sklee said, on July 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 pm,

    dear sk lee,
    when we choosing a leader, we “CAN’T ALWAYS TRYING” give people a chance particularly those “past record” is not clear and unsure, if we did, it is sad to say “we will be in trouble for a very long time to come” as there’s word saying, “it is difficult to built a new business and make sure it success, but it is more difficult to maintain it”, once somethings is destroy, it need a very long time to re-build, AS there’s word saying too, it just need less than few minutes to destroy everything than has been build for years/century ….
    thank u …..

  65. BobbyNZ says:

    “Arrogant and ambitious”? Perfect description of AI aka Artificial Intelligence. His alibi? He thought Saiful was a sheep……….. bah bah

  66. AlibiNZ says:

    “Arrogant and ambitious”? Perfect description of AI aka Artificial Intelligence. His alibi? He thought Saiful was a sheep……….. bah bah

  67. kittykat46 says:

    For 50 years BN scared us with the threat “If you go for the Opposition you will destroy the country”

    We ain’t scared of the threat any more.

  68. Agigp says:

    In Perak UMNO wants to finish off the Indians. Mr. Krishnan,MIC agree indians are snakes.

  69. Agigp says:

    Taman Medan the indians live in fear of UMNO members.

  70. Agigp says:

    After the Indians are finished it will be chinese turn.

  71. Vet surgeon says:

    Reply David Chan:

    You mean “WAS BETTER”? Please use your grammar correctly. I am amused when I see an ass licking dog!

  72. david chan says:

    Dear all reader,
    My comment is end here now, as this is the first time I enter a blog, ha,ha, to raise an independant opinion as all this incident make us worry and unsure. we all are mature people and citizen, do read the past of a person, etc before make any comment or decide. I am not supporting anyone, just my opinion only and fact …..
    To Vet Surgeon…, thank you for your comment but god know, I am not.., we live in a civilized world and if we are an educated person, we don’t use all the word you using …, sad to say it…., Last, we always mention BN corrupt, etc but do read all the recent news too about “recent story as an opposition anwar family member in certain Selangor investment arm, etc…., which now under opposition…,” and not forgotten last time Anwar is part of BN ….Negotiation is always better than making noise and strike on the street …., No matter who right OR who wrong, it doesn’t matter as everyone will have their own opinion but we must think maturely when decide and judge a person and things …
    Thank you everyone for reading ..,

  73. Eric says:

    ruzaimi ramza

    >Let the judiciary runs it’s course.

    Until today, you still trust our country’s judiciary?

  74. Vet surgeon says:

    David Chan: How educated are you when you have shit in your head! I rest my case.

  75. ktemoc says:

    “… that PKR will have to delay the announcement of cross-overs from BN to Pakatan Rakyat, in order to stabilise the situation now …” when this bloke has been attempting to destablise the nation after the March 08 election result – but then that’s vintage Anwar

    another of his habits would be to blame others, like his advisor, and spin in the following case:

    “… why he listened to his advisor and decided to go to the Turkish Embassy was because ….. He had to find some time in the Embassy to plan for the next step …” when the general perception was that he panicked a la “women and children AFTER me”

    ku pendekar No 1
    keris tajam ta perlu
    hanya microphone
    dan silat chonglu

    jangan takut musuh
    sama sama kita maju
    ya, jangan ragu hati
    aku right after you😉

  76. kittykat46 says:

    Damn Bloody “F” grade logic from Ktemoc.

    First he spins that Anwar panicked “a’la women and children” (by the way that’s a bloody slur on the women of the world), then he spins that Anwar is behind the whole plot.

  77. wits0 says:

    KTemoc can’t be separated from his pet derangements, ler. The Snoopy pilot from the high moral (baseball) mound. Hahaha! “Damn you, Red Baron!” says Snoopy as his Sopwith Camel gets shot down.

  78. Amanpeace says:

    Hello all,

    Your statement “Anwar will go nationwide to explain the latest political crisis. He also clarified that the reason why he listened to his advisor and decided to go to the Turkish Embassy was because there was fear that he would be arrested immediately and would be cut off from the rest of the world”, was true in a sense of way.

    But in fact, the real reason why he chose to Turkey Embassy was because Erdogan is his friend and helped him last year in his turbulent times when he faced the military junta. Anwar also went in diplomatic offensive in the west to pressurise the military not to topple the govt as they did in 1997. In the end, Anwar was invited by Turkish President Abdullah Gul and Erdogan (PM) in 6 days after they won the re-election in a crushing victory.

    However, when Anwar chose to ask advice form the US government which result in intervening the internal affairs of our country, he has really gone overboard. Nevertheless, the US response was so swift and warned our government not to make judicial based on political views but instead based on court law. What da F**k was that?

    Sodomy is just an individual case, not to be involved in political views which create conspiracy theories. If Anwar is to be a prime minister for his such act, I would rather let Mr. Dictator@ Tun M to lead back this country for good. When Anwar becomes PM, I positively think our country will be rule or in other way “colonize” by US. Stop all this “political scene” and live a happy life in your old days.

  79. kesava says:

    Now you guys know why I NEVER visit his loony site.

  80. buyong says:

    he has followers, he is definitely a leader. Will he be in power in the near future? Only God knows. But someone did narrate to me something that Nostradamus said ages ago, sounds like this ” there will be a great turmoil in the far east when the Prince Of Justice cannot become King.”
    ???

  81. ah long says:

    Nostradamus also got say some one will be ruled by the village idiot.

    Some people believe that he was talking about George Bush, But I think Badawi and Najib also fit that description.

  82. sklee says:

    Dear David Chan,
    I did mention that Anwar has the credibility and the ability to lead.He, representing the opposition, has a credible program to lead Malaysia into the 21st century globalised world.
    He has the vision and the leadership qualities to lead.By the way, did you follow the webcast?

  83. ktemoc says:

    kittykat has disappointed me when he elected shamefully to misquote me. He knows that I didn’t say ‘a la women and children’ – it’s all in black & white up there. I had said ‘a la women and children AFTER me (Anwar)’. In your shameful sinister unsconscionable attempt to condemn me through deliberate misquotation, you have not only demonstrated a dishonourable conduct but you’ve insulted women and children.

    Where is it in my comments above that I had insinuated Anwar was behind the plot?

    kittykat represents a typical desperate anwarista, totally intolerant of critics of Anwar, yet lacking the competency to debate in fair fashion. They justify Anwar’s Deformasi politics, by claiming encouraging disgraceful and undemocratic party defection is for the greater good of Malaysia when what they meant was for the greater of Anwar.

    Anwar talks about ‘ketuanan rakyat’ yet refuses to accept the people’s verdict of March 08. Anwar is about ‘ketuanan Anwar’, and people who voted for BN MPs aren’t worthy of his respect – their choice shall be subverted for his own greater good.

  84. simon wee says:

    My advise to those initiated to that part of the anatomy is to at least use KY and if not available then palm oil as Malaysia is the world largest producer. You see that part of the anatomy has not lubricant unlike c.. and any forceful penetration in a moment of shiokness would cause a torn and bloody arse.

  85. Roo says:

    They justify Anwar’s Deformasi politics, by claiming encouraging disgraceful and undemocratic party defection is for the greater good of Malaysia when what they meant was for the greater of Anwar. – ktemoc
    ______________________________________________________________

    Just because he thinks it so don`t make it so. M`sia has had a history of party defections. It is also not illegal.

    If now the elected MPs defect, in response to their constituents wishes defect, then it is their right. And the writer should show a little bit of respect to the constituents and not dwell on his own greed, self-importance and ego.

    The writer of that comment has constantly displayed venom against those who support anawar consistently spitting out the word `anawarista` as if it is an evil. I find it disgusting, not to mention immature.

  86. BabyKtemoc says:

    Dear Papa,

    I have no contention about Anwar’s past, esp. when he was the BN Education Minister. When you sent me to school, I was forced to study “Jawi” without my consent in mid 80s.

    Dear Papa Ktemoc,

    I can agree with you that Anwar’s plan of BN MPs crossover with the tainted BN MPs might not be the best solution.

    Uncle Kit has already forgiven Anwar, I can’t be agreeable to all Anwar’s policy, but given the statehood of this rotten country, don’t you think we want a change?

    Dear Uncle Kittykat,

    Once you advice that kids needs to get parental consent before reading the MSM but papa Ktemoc kongsomekok every night. Why leh?

  87. wits0 says:

    Wow, BabyKtemoc , you’re certainly more sane than papawhomocks! LOL!

  88. ktemoc says:

    Roo said: “If now the elected MPs defect, in response to their constituents wishes defect, then it is their right.”

    “… in response to their constituents wishes …” – wakakakakakakakakaa what utter bullshit, typically of those who want to justify Anwar’s Deformasi politics.

    Here we have the great anwar reneging on his pre-election reformasi the moment the PR won some seats, and we have his acolytes attempting to justify such disgraceful shameless tactics that actually subvert the democratic outcome of the ballot box.

    There’s no explaining the BLIND belief of acolytes that Susan talked about a couple of posts ago.

  89. kesava says:

    Roo said, on July 2nd, 2008 at 8:58 pm ….

    I setuju with what you say. Self opinionated one-eyed people think the rest are blind, and then get cock-eyed.

  90. david chan says:

    Dear SK Lee,

    Thank you for your comment….
    You (SK Lee) mention …: “I did mention that Anwar has the credibility and the ability to lead.He, representing the opposition, has a credible program to lead Malaysia into the 21st century globalised world. He has the vision and the leadership qualities to lead.By the way, did you follow the webcast?..”
    Answer ….: Yes, did follow all the webcast but think practically, remember …, there’s 2 type of leader in this world, one is bad and other is good .., just a reminder, EXAMPLE ONLY. a century ago, Hitler from germany also a leader (lot of people can see he is evil but there’s some can’t at all because they follow their emotion to judge), Hitler manage to convince people to start world war two, but after the end of world war two, we only realised in fact he is an evil leader as many people died and surfering because of him, ask yourself WHY this happen ?. Mmm, as Anwar lead Malaysia to 21stcentury, I don’t think so, maybe lead us back to 18/19th Centruy where Malaysia still under british control, be practical as we can see now even when he still Deputy PM and under economy crisis 10 years ago, “some western people” really supporting him when anything happen, the reason is simple, because they want to control Malaysia economy,etc for their own benefit so they need someone within the country to do it and the present government won’t allow it to happen …,
    that’s all from me …, decision is on your hand, everyone have their opinion and decision,
    There’s a word saying…, “Learn from the past if we want to move forward as most of the time we can’t afford any mistake and Learn from other people experience as we won’t live long enough to learn everything ourself ….”
    everyone have a nice day always ….

  91. kesava says:

    BN is Barisan Nazi.
    Finish Indians first their polisi. Start with Taman Medan, now in Perak oso. Now sue Bar Council for sedition soon cina also habis:

    KUALA LUMPUR, July 3 ─ The MCA Youth Legal Bureau yesterday expressed disappointment over Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar’s comment that action could be taken against the Bar Council for holding a forum on the social contract between the races in Malaysia on Saturday.
    Its head Gan Ping Sieu said in a statement that discussing the process in the drafting of the Constitution including its historical background and reasons must not be interpreted as questioning the special position of the Malays.

    “When any organisation or body conducts forums to discuss the Federal Constitution and is sincere in discussing the Constitution objectively and rationally while not distorting facts, such forums should be accepted by everyone,” he said.

    Syed Hamid was reported by a local newspaper on Monday as saying that police could begin investigations if a report was lodged against the Bar Council for sedition. ─ Bernama

  92. ktteokt says:

    I have said it time and again in many blogs that the Government is slapping its own face by maintaining Malay Special Rights and enacting the “Rukunegara”. These two are at far ends and I don’t see how there can ever be a compromise. The Rukunegara claims to “membina masyarakat yang ADIL” but can there ever be ADIL when Malay Special Rights are maintained? Come on! Only fools would believe that!!!!!!

  93. Circle of Hands says:

    Ghenjis Khan mentioned “he was there in Stadium, once again, the majority are Malays. And the Stadium was filled up with young people ie. meaning 18 – 40”. Let me reiterate your sentences”THE MAJORITY ARE MALAYS’?. What happen to other races. Don’t you think that to win, one must garner support from all races, but why just the Malays? Don’t tell me these Malays attendees were from the Sodomite Nation (just to rephrase BobbyNZ) that’s why the attendence was high. To say 18 – 40 years in age..40s okay, old enough to think but the 18 yos…hmmmmmm as the Malay proverb ‘umur baru setahun jagung’…I have doubt!

  94. Circle of Hands says:

    Gurindam Jiwa, well written. For Anwar, its now or never. Never again should the scenario of ‘main kilang kunyit’ arise. Now only its shameful, but it tends to bring one imagination of your ‘gearbox’ !!!!!

  95. data says:

    The 18 year olds thought Mawi was coming

  96. Circle of Hands says:

    Data…….hahahahahah yeah the world of Mawi. Maybe the crowd was dubbed into a possible Gerudi Inul perhaps?

  97. panca says:

    Yes please Anwar bring these GOONS to their knees, put them in a new address, Jailhouse!

    The current Feds gomen is oblivious to the need of the PEOPLE and Change.
    Their DEMISE will be the New HOPE for Malaysia. Citing the IDIOT’s admin, Judiaciary, Security forces – Police and so on. They just can’t be Changed but FLUSHED OUT!

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