READ also: Anil Netto on ‘Powerful Corporate Interest Penetrate Penang Local Council’ and Malaysiakini on ‘Penang groups unhappy with new Pakatan Councillors’.

Update: Today nine Penangites took time off to speak out about the controversial 1st Councilors’ list put out by the Pakatan Rakyat state government of Penang. All major media turned up-including Berita Harian and Utusan. Later they issued a press statement, as stated in my earlier post ‘Civil society not happy with councilors list by Penang Govt’. 

Endorsers of the statement included: Penang Watch, SOS (Save Ourselves), Bus Users Group, MAFREL-Northern Region, SUARAM, JIM, Malaysian Voters Union,Pusat Khidmat Pekerja Tanjung, and Tanjung Bunga Residents Association.

Earlier, Ong Boon Keong @ Penang Watch said the councilors list for MPPP and MPSP (Penang and mainland) did not go down well with Civil Society members when it was released by Chow Kon Yeow, the Exco in charge of Local Government on Tuesday.

He added that the list did not live up to the high expectation of those who put their faith on the new government. Some of the complaints about the list include:

  • The continuation of BN practice to apportion Councilors posts among the parties; Giving jobs to the `boys’ instead of giving the posts on merits, has been a tried and failed method under BN; Weak Councils had given rise to `Longkang Councilors’ problems;
  • The lack of transparency in the selection process; Even when elections cannot be held straight away for the Councilors, the State Government can still adopt an open selections system (open invites, open criteria, open process, open lists of candidates etc) compared to the closed door selections used now; It is not known if the candidates are selected on political or merit/capacity considerations;
  • The lack of balance among the candidates eg among the Councilors there is a lack of representations of women, non-Chinese, civil society members, working class etc;
  • The appointment of 4 members of civil society members to MPPP and 3 to MPSP mean that the earlier promise of appointing 5 each to the 2 Penang’s Councils cannot be kept-a very bad start for the Councils!
  • The appointment of an Assemblyperson to MPPP is a step backward when all states except Selangor under BN did not allow Assemblypersons to also serve in City Councils; There is already an Exco in charge of Councils -so the appointment of another Assemblyperson to Council is an unneccesory concentration of power in a single hand;
  • The over-representation of Chambers of Commerce reps to the Councils (4 out of 7 civil society positions) present a very unbalanced Councils with potentials for conflict of interests since Chambers of Commerce members are often involved in applications of licenses to Councls; The lack of representations from working class, hawkers etc as promised highlight the imbalanced further.

 

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  1. It only proves one thing, it is really hard to satisfy the needs of Chinamen, where ever they are in this world.🙂

  2. Chinamen says:

    Thank you Malay-Women-in-Malaysia, we do have very high standards, as you well know.

  3. Klaw says:

    I think it would be good to have an open appointment system rather than a closed one for purposes of transparency. However, regardless of whichever system was used for appointment, I think the state government will be doing annual reviews on the councillor performances. Sack the ones that do not do their jobs.

    Btw, last I checked, the Penang society had more than just Chinamen😛

  4. no end in sight says:

    why can’t you fellas let the new councilors do their job and then complain if and when they fail to perform to expections.

    before they can even …….you already have presumed the outcome.

    will you Mr. Ong Boon Keong (and your team) be the first to
    contest for seats in the Councils assuming elections will be held?

    talk is cheap Mr Ong Boon Keong……

  5. danielchan says:

    if for the sake of blind compliance to a ‘promise’ made earlier, without consideration to the current political scenario, then it’d just do the penang govt (and people) a dis-service.
    i am personally comfortable with the choice(s) and i put my trust in the teams chosen. let not ‘civil society’ people play politics. LGE&co are juggling with ‘political’ interests and, more importantly, i feel, the ‘people’s interests’ are very well taken care of here. ‘jobs for the boys’? yeah, maybe to a small certain extent but you nay-sayers try stepping into their (politicans’) shoes and then express your opinions from then on.
    let’s be honest,you’ve never seen this kind of arrangements with the previous (BN) govt; so i say this is but a small step in the correct direction. i echo earlier statements to the effect that non-performing personnel (regardless their affiliations) should and (and i trust LGE&co) WILL be sacked.

  6. James Joyce says:

    Come on people, this is just the FIRST CUT.

    The main objective is to have local council elections. Some one gotta sit in at this moment and the allocation for civil society members will never be sufficient. I also want to sit in, why don’t they allocate?

    The CM has a direction, we just gotta be patient and wait. Remember this is just the FIRST CUT.

  7. ong says:

    Hope the one talking about `talk is cheap’ don’t show your disdain for criticisms when -to a great extent, we are supporting the new state government for freedom of speech. If you like criticisms taste some yourself first! Take it rationally and give some god counter arguments, please!

    On presumption of outcome, before the local government elections are started how do you (pre)sumed that I won’t stand in the elections? Please don’t let your strong loyalty screw up your potentially even stronger logics!

    Ong BK

  8. danielchan says:

    having read thru all the preceding posts, i am of the opinion that these are all well-intentioned views posted by differing individuals which, collectively, exemplify a vibrant democracy.

    but, i plea for good sense and decorum to prevail (not that it is not prevalent here) so that all of us take cognisance of the fact that there are people who think so much more differently than we do; and they have a right to say their piece as much as we do.

    all praises are for the country and the (betterment of) of the people; and any brickbats are (should) never be personal.

    heck, i/you dont know you/me; but fate brought us here to this page🙂

    keep ’em coming; for the day we stop writing in (and expressing our supporting or dissenting views) to alternative media is the day the music will die, so to speak. afterall, this is the media which helped brought us this new dawn.

  9. Allen aka Kowlat says:

    It is impractical to have an election for councilors at this point of time. There is also the issue of legitimacy of the notion of election for councillors as it may fell foul of the delegated legislative rulings as the matter is within federal’s jurisdiction. The State has already spoken on this matter that for the initial stage (and due to practical reasons) the first batch of councillors for for this new state government shall be appointed and efforts will be made for future elections for councillors. I think this is good thinking. Civil Society accepts this notion,..and the “Civil Society” is not an exclusive word for Mr Ong alone.

  10. Discrimination69 says:

    Discrimination69,

    Every one is entitled to their opinion. Everyone is correct correct correct when judging others. Talk is cheap, try doing it. Give PR space to do things they deem fit under present circumstances as long as its better than BN style.

    Better to prepare taking over the Federal government next GE so that all the bad laws can be repealed and we can have proper election for local councillors.

  11. tan, tanjong bungah says:

    Hi everybody,

    We should be congratulating the PR State Govt. for appointing NGOs and other civil society members to be councillors – a move which had never been thought of or implemented by past Pg State govts. or other state govts. This is a positive move in Pg. and credit should be accorded to the Pg Govt. Just compare this with the appointments of councillors in the other states.

    In the interim, i.e. before local govt. elections is possible, we should let the appointed councillors do their job first. Only after serving a year or so, the state govt. can then review and assess their performance.

  12. ong says:

    To the folk upstairs,
    When was `civil society’ made exclusive for `Mr Ong’ only? Where is the evidence for your `assertion’ above? For your info: there will be a few other NGOs who will be at the press conference tomorrow. Please write with some evidence based argument if you don’t want to allow some sentiments to prejudice your arguments.

    `Civil society accepts this notion…’ well some do -but some would like to see a start of accountable good governance from now on. Some road maps to the local government elections, some time tables etc would be more convincing than `faith based’ politics. (don’t you have enough of that under BN?) In the same line of thought the temporary arrangement for appointing Councilors should reflect a desire for putting the rhetorics of good governance into practice. For a start do an `open tender’ for the Councilors positions. There is no law stopping that. No excuse.

    If some folks don’t like to be questioned all I can say is: there is no way to shut the people’s mouth in this cyber age. Get used to it! So should the new state governments. All pressures -subtle or otherwise to shut others up is futile !

  13. tan, tanjong bungah says:

    Hi everybody,

    I agree with Ong BK that there should be a tentative time-table for pursuing the reintroduction of local govt elections.

    The PR States should outline a time line, i.e. on when to meet-up with SPR and the Federal Ministry to discuss existing legislations that may or may not pose problems for reintroduction of local govt elections. When such attempts are made, we can gauge the willingness/intent, or otherwise, of the Federal Govt on this matter.

    Another thing is that no one should attempt to put a gag on others. Let us have opposing views in cyspace and make our democracy vibrant.

    Is this the same OBK who was a voluntary observer for the postal votes cast in an army camp? If so, what has happened to his protest and revelations of the postal voting procedure?

  14. cencaru says:

    Don’t give high hope to these Lim’s father & son dynasty. It’s time for the Lim dynasty to tighten the screw and grip on the power to rule Penang like eunuchs.

    Looking at this old eunuch, it’s his turn to screw the state of Penang.

    Good luck Penangites. Hope you enjoy the Malacca’s cencaru, courtesy from the father & son eunuchs.

  15. wolf4homes says:

    Hahaha… Serve you right for voting the son as the CM. It’s time for the old eunuch to take revenge for rejecting him and his Tanjong 1,2 &3.

    It’s like inviting wolf into your home. Die oh all the little cute baby animals.

  16. sadia says:

    Well, it is true that the number of Chinese is very HIGH in the councils this time round. DAP took 19 seats each while PKR too 15 each and PAS 2 each. Now, the problem was that DAP appointed all 38 Chinese except 1 Indian and One Malay, while PKR appointed 8 Malays, 7 Chinese for one council and 10 Malays, 4 Chinese and One Indian for another. So, that’s why the Chinese are big in number. I hope they will be sensitive like PKR which gave the Chinese substantial number.

  17. tan, tanjong bungah says:

    Hi everybody,

    LGE & PR govt. have just been voted into office for barely 7 weeks. How can cencaru & wolf4homes prematurely declare that Pg is going to be ‘screwed’? How do you know that the Pg PR govt would not be able to perform? If you’ve valid arguements/reasons to predict that they’ll not perform, then present them. Don’t resort to name-calling. Don’t insult the intelligence of Penangitss and other Malaysians!

    If the faith of Penangites is misplaced, then in the next GE, Penangites are smart enough to do the necessary – without the need of the ‘obscene’ instigation of people like cencaru & wolf4homes.

  18. alex says:

    Wow!

    with regards to some comments here:

    It seems that overnight, freedom fighters (opposition supporters) have turned into cyber-troopers (govt supporters). such is the reality of politics.

    Give the NGOs a chance to speak. that is what has been hardly done by the BN govt.

    betul tak?

  19. venkat says:

    DAP has been voted in for their emphasis on a fair and uncorrupted government. Let us give them some time to prove. After all we had 50 years of patience with UMNO goverments.

    I do believe PR certainly better than any UMNO/stooge government, at least for now.

  20. eric chin says:

    Which list will satisfy everybody? You can put up 10 lists and I can assure you that I can find fault with all the 10. A functional list of councilors is what we want. Not one that satisfies every section. Remember the story of the old man, his son and the donkey? They tried to satisfy everybody and ended up in the river drowned. At least wait for them to make mistakes AND THEN complain.

  21. ktemoc says:

    quote “The appointment of 4 members of civil society members to MPPP and 3 to MPSP mean that the earlier promise of appointing 5 each to the 2 Penang’s Councils cannot be kept …” unquote

    4 and 3 would be humongous hell of an improvement to zero! I love Ong Boon Keong but he should consider these as the first step rather than a broken promise … continue pressing in a civil manner, keep reminding Lim GE who’s afterall on a steep learning curve

  22. Fool Lin Nyen says:

    Alamak, not yet start, already got fortune teller !!! If last time we can give some idiots 50 years, why not give the new ones sometime before making comments.

  23. cencaru says:

    Aiya! All the cats are the same! Tell me which cat doesn’t eat fish? Please ask loony which of her cat doesn’t eat fish?

    The eunuchs of rocket had been in politics for half a century and the party is going banana every decade.

    Sorry err! No thinking aloud in the rocket else the rocket explodes.

    Penang char kuei tew, go asked gadol-gadol in Malacca how the rocket man doing in Malacca?

  24. cencaru says:

    if there is no local government elections in the nation, we are just changing from black wolves to white wolves to look after our money.

    What can you expect with the chickens in the barn with wolves as the jagas? Bye bye to all the eggs/chicks/chickens…..

    Penagites, If there are no spontaneous changes after 3/8 GE and no local government elections, get ready to be screwed lah by the new screwers/ eunuchhs….

  25. tick sucks says:

    Malaysia is filled with dynastic warlords who are quixotic in politics. These dynastic warlords are out for power, land, women, money and money.

    Just looking at the squabbles in the internal politics of each party and external politics in the nation, we know that politicks are literally ticks. They are all blood suckers. This is their congenital trait, period.

  26. bgees says:

    i agree with Malaywomen, we cannot expect everything perfect for the new goverment , give them a chance to improve further. you guys dont even have guts to complain when it under BN, Gerakan. which totally corrupted. now expecting the best….? what a selfish b**t*rds

  27. kan nya sai says:

    Even the old politicks have mampus long ago and in coffins, they still want to play politics or bloggging in/from coffins. Kan ni neh! Damn sick and tired of all these nuisances.

  28. LOne says:

    Hey give the Penang gomen and the councillors a chance lah.
    If they are truly no good or deadwood there is still time to point them out after 6 months or so.
    Don’t expect a tsunami on this councillor selection : )

  29. kittykat46 says:

    I would have been happier to see more non-politicians, professional technocrats and civil society members in MPPP and MPSP. Still, I think its a stronger team than the old Barisan gang.

    DAP and PKR did put up a call to invite non-political players to participate in the councils. I heard the response was not so good.

    Among some professionals and technocrats, there is a distinct reluctance to be associated with DAP or PKR.

    I know my own parents have expressed concern about me coming out so openly as a PKR supporter. I’m doing my small bit to assist the Penang State government (not on the Council, lah… !)

    Stil the old fear of being “Punished” by Barisan later down the road.

  30. hutchrun says:

    NGOs had better stop thinking of themselves as cats` whiskers.

  31. fariq says:

    you people really bloodyfull.let them do the job first.pakatan rakyat just form a new govt not even 100 days.you all only knows to make noise.BN have rulling for the past 50 years ,u all can give chance.now let them perform.if u all not happy give your views,dont behave like the bllodyfull BN, From selangor Malay now working in Penang.

  32. AlooKo says:

    kenene,

    You people give only one vote and start so many complaints ! you give so many votes to BN for last last last election ? What if I vote you to be a CM ? you can do it in 50 days. All politician is the same and i suggest you keep monitor them thru this plateform, ensure no one in power for more than 2 term OK gah ?

  33. KShan says:

    Perhaps these NGOs should stop thinking they represent the majority of the poeple in this particular issue!

    If Mr. Ong is demanding evidence on some of the criticisms here about his disagreement over this issue, then perhaps he should also show the society at large the evidence that they disapprove of Penang gov process of councillors appointment.

  34. 1vote says:

    The voters voted the present state governments is to put all the previous corrupt state councilors in jails. If the present state councilors do not put them in jails, the next state government will put the present and last state councilors in jails.

    Why the voters voted you as the state governments? Use your otak udang-lah!

  35. Robert Teh says:

    Elections for local councilors need an amendment to be passed by Parliament – so learn to live with the current legal environment.

    Be realistic – we can’t leap from A to Z, in one single leap, we need to go through a process in our journey to attain the “right” formula. An “ideal” formula that will appease everyone, is next to impossible, simply because everyone has an opinion these days, and these opinions are varied, self-centered, based on our past experience, personal liking, thinking and inclination.

    To the Penang State Govt. and critics alike – please take heed.

  36. AlooKo says:

    In general, It’s just like younsters now aday were equiped with best things that already prepared by his daddy and he start to enjoy everything from now, he doesn’t learn how to get them by them self.

    Same goes to previous BN people who started to enjoy the benefit in BN ruling pattern since last 50 years. thats why our Penang former CM doesn’t dare to face to answer on dirty projects because they were brought up like today’s youngsters. ,even ” PORR ” project have no tender submitted !

    They are “kalangkabut” now

  37. caravanserai says:

    50 year of BN rule
    We rants and raves
    In the ring we escape
    Just barely money did it

    We tolerate the abuses
    Of country’s wealth for a few
    No tender no accountability
    No transparency we lived
    Even corruption shoots into us
    We still fight in the shadow

    Now there are some sparks
    A new state government trying to rule
    The way the people expect it to run
    One slippery step they start pointing figures
    They want to please as many as possible
    In reality it is hard to satisfy people’s needs

    As long as there is something growing
    The people shouldn’t judge it so critically
    As long as it is an improvement over BN
    It spells something good for the people

    The state government needs all the assistance
    From the people of Penang to make it works
    There are sour losers walking on the streets
    They know the gravy train disappearing
    They will try many tricks to win back again

    So let the new state government manages
    In each quarter see what have been done
    Now it is too early to say otherwise
    Let them get the feel of power in their hands
    Then they know………
    And one wrong move
    The wrath of the people in Penang!

  38. deekay says:

    Just like my mom whack me when I promised her to get 100 marks for my Matematik but instead got 99 marks.

  39. jughead says:

    Why only Penang/ Why not all those PR State Government in Perak, Selangor and Kedah too implement Council election? What is PKR doing in Selangor? Why not they too uncover the misdoings of BN Government and sent them to jail too? To me those civil societies are leftist – this cannot and that cannot. They talk alot and cannot afford practical solution.

  40. Kah Seng says:

    The problems are the non-transparent way the appointments are made, and that there is no roadmap or renewed pledge for a future direct election.

    I think Ong has a clear sight of what today’s appointment system will lead to eventually — mediocrity, quid-pro-quo with the DAP (dominant party and decision maker in MPPP/MPSP composition), unwillingness to rock the boat, and the melting away of serious efforts to push for direct local election.

    DAP must be tempted to think this: If Kelantan can get away with no local election for so long, why not Penang?

    While we may be tempted to give the DAP-led government a honey moon in complicated matters, there is really no need for honeymoon on demanding a transparent selection process, and for publicly repeating
    the pledge to carry out direct election quickly. It seems, direct local election will be resting in peace since LGE’s meeting with anti-PGCC group, when LGE said cost will push it to the next GE. (http://anilnetto.com/2008/03/22/questionable-land-deals-give-guan-eng-huge-headache/)

    With the appointment of Paya Terubong DUN onto MPPP and the setting up of the Paya Terubong service center last week, I think DAP may even be convinced of the points that MCA had been making before the election — that it is important for DUN to provide local service. This is ironic, odd, and dangerous for democracy, given how the voters had voted for genuine legislators, clearly saying they don’t want DUNs to perform council service.

    I am willing to vote BN just to punish Pakatan Rakyat and DAP if they did not make serious effort to introduce direct local election quickly (not some last minute show before the next GE).

    There is indeed a lot wrong with the appointment system as announced.

    1. No road map ahead. There is now no promises, plan, or idea about how to go forward towards elected councils. Some DAP head cited the cost, some cited the contradicting laws, then silence.
    2. Smaller number of NGO than promised. That they dare to break a promise so soon without explanation is a bad sign.
    3. Human psychology, once they have tasted the power to appoint and be appointed, they will not be able to let go. It will be like pulling flies from honey.
    4. No opposition (BN) party rep,
    5. No transparency in selection process,
    6. No explanation why one DUN must also be appointed MPPP. They must have known there is controversy, yet there is enough rudeness or internal confusion not to explain this.
    7. Looking more like a party-reward system, or an old-faithful gang. Yes, there are good people in DAP, but wouldn’t it be a lot better to have them elected? Or have more independent minded people from outside?

    We can take a cautionary lesson, for example, from Taiwan’s Green Camp (Chen Shui Bian), which came into power eight years ago, as the long-oppressed Opposition, with impeccable credential to promise
    reforms. But the Green Camp blew it; it only became completely bogged down as a government of slick, greedy, corrupted, manipulative lawyers. In contrast, the hegemonous old dark force of Blue Camp Kuomingtang) reformed into a mint-breath, fresh-breeze, baby-hugging, responsive, party. In retrospect, the Green Camp’s fall was inevitable: It had to rely on southern-Taiwan hooligans to struggle against the Blue Camp’s martial-law power base, and when Green Camp
    came into power, the southern-gangster mentality and quid-pro-quo became entrenched.

    When I analyze troubled companies, I find it useful to read between the lines for inconsistencies, unexplained changes, unaligned motivations, speeches of excessive confidence contradicting actions of inadequate confidence, disconnection in thoughts, excessive silence or excessive noise — and a lot of troubled signs are present here. Coupled with historical observation that DAP is very much ruled by man, which we can’t criticize constructively, then our only choice is to criticize the specific actions, such as this highly-anticipated MPPP/MPSP appointment.

  41. alex says:

    very well said kah Seng!
    so far yours is a very clear and concise plus substantive comment on the penang affairs. DAP would do well to hear people like you speak and it will provide them a clear picture of who they can turn out to be but must never. they must not go into the way of the BN.
    And you are right, why are they no opposition (aka BN) in the appointments?
    It is always good to have some opposition as a check and balance.
    I am still waiting for the ideal government. perhaps, in my next life…

  42. limkamput says:

    It is a blow job!

  43. Hkengmacao says:

    Hey, all guys here, please give Lim Guan Eng & his team a chance to prove to you Penangites that perform much much better than BN. Don’t make a huh-hah here so fast about the composition of the councilors. After all, the DAP-led government is still new. Bear in mind, this is the first time DAP is governing a state.

    I believe once the system settled down, those in the councils will let go their positions to those interested. DAP led government need to learn the rope of how these bodies function.

    Give chance, man.

  44. siew eng says:

    don’t believe new broom is good enough? that’s ‘cos we haven’t been told in detail what it is made of, where it has been used in the past and to what effect (hopefully not Khir Toyo’s notorious one).

    high time for community media (or rather, long overdue).

    interview them, find out their backgrounds, their views, values, principles and positions over the concerns stated here.

    and hold them to account.

    test drive the new broom. then evaluate it. fair?

    for now anyway.

    anyway, who can fault the credentials of dr francis loh? he is so clued in on social justice for all that he can speak on behalf of so many minorities. do numbers matter at all when the quality is assured of?

  45. Shit says:

    NGOs, Civil Societies,

    For 50 years you all cannot make a dent on bn. They could not care less about what you all are shouting about.

    Now a new baby is born, weak and fragile, you all take out all you have to try and crush it without giving it time to grow and matured.

    I used to stand by with all of you but the way you all are going after the new born baby so fast, it really piss me off.

    I would say, give them at least six months to a year. By then we can see whether they are on the right or wrong track. If they are on the wrong track by all means take out whatever you have to blast them till kingdom come and I will fully dupport you all.

  46. flyer168 says:

    Dear All,

    Talk is cheap, so is rethorics !

    BN in denial mode & not providing the jigsaw puzzle missing pieces !
    PR is trying hard to make end meet to solve the jigsaw puzzles with missing pieces !

    Please try to work together with your new representatives & MOVE FORWARD TO PROVE YOUR WORTH TO THE NATION & RAYAAT !

    Just who is governing this nation, its rayaat, its economy & security which is on a Autopilot “Self-destruct” mode !

  47. kai says:

    In politics no government policies can satisfy all people or group within a society. A former PM of Australia once said that if we listened to what the people of Australia wants then there is no way they can govern the country. The government is still new and maybe inexperience too. Submit your preliminary report card not now but at least after the first 100 days in office. As long as they provide transparency, this is good enough for me and much better than the previous administration. If some think that previous government is better in handing the affairs of the State, then that’s fine. Please don’t hold back, give the current government a vote of no confidence at the next election, but until then allow them more time to do what they have been elected to do. The present government is more or less on their own with little cooperation from the federal level. As for the Penang Watch group, the previous administration had 50 years of opportunity in running the State. At least you can give the new administration 5 years grace before you wipe out your bad report card. We can all talk and criticise (arm chair critics) all we want but my 2 cents worth of question to you is that can you do the better job yourself?

  48. jughead says:

    I am very surprise to hear from Kah Sen that he will vote BN if PR Government does not introduce Local Election? Such a senior person thinks that voting back BN, BN will introduce Council Election? I think we are use to drinking 3 or 2 in 1 teh tarik or coffee and instant noodles and expect instant changes. True, we are putting new kids on the block. Does it means all Civil Societies can Run the show properly? As far I am concerned, Civil Societies have been talking and doing projects in a small scale. Can they manage and run in a big scale and pleases everyone? There may be some improper or questionable things carried out by them as shown in Singapore Cancer Society or NTUC (Trade Union)

  49. Hitam Had says:

    The people of Penang have spoken on 8/3/08 and continue to speak. This is what democracy encourages.

    This first step in attempting to govern local councils by the new Government may succeed or fail, but has to start now without any further delay. How the people judge success or failure will only be made known at the next GE.

    Hopefully, local problems such as traffic, hawkers and drains can be resolved by these Councilors together with the ADUNs locally so that the elected MPs can get on with the more essential job of looking after the economy of Malaysia and the welfare of its people.

    Pax.

  50. In the animal kingdom, only babies of the rivals will be sought out and killed, they don’t kill their own ones.

    Same rule applies in the GE12. If YOU say you are a true supporter of PR for change then give them time to perform. Time here means 5 years and not 5 wks or 5 mths.

    If YOU did vote PR,then for Heaven’s sake, pls be patient. No need to be harsh with DAP for they cannot be fools.

  51. ong says:

    People vote for PR to see different policies-better policies to be implemented-not continuing rotten policies. While the new government should be given time to prove itself-continuing rotten policies should not be encouraged. That will only spoil the new government/s.

    Eg the last government put developers like Ahmad Ismail in MPPP -see the many problems with hill side developments and irresponsible developers in Penang. This was caused by developers sitting in Councils-without representatives of house buyers and residents associations to balance the former. Similarly when there are lawyers sitting in Councils -most of whom do conveyancing business with developers -will they dare to not approve development applications by their business partners or their bosses?

    We should learn from the mistakes of the previous state government and not repeat them. Unless the new government is not prepared to be people friendly even from early days. The new government need time to familiarise themselves with the government administrative mechanisms, but they don’t need time to learn to keep reps from residents associations, house buyers etc from the Councils to produce a balanced Councils.

  52. Ivan Ho says:

    Ong BK, Kah Seng, Cencaru and others,
    Why don’t u people get in touch with Aliran and join the Penang Forum? At least you’ll be giving some positive feed back and the possibility of dialogue with the state government for the better of Penang as a whole instead of critisizing and demanding this and that. Local elections for state councils can be carried out but we need to thread carefully to ensure that it is within the constitution. We do not want an aggrieved party to sue the council later as the Councilors are not legal. Where were you, Mr Ong on 13 April 2008 when we had the first Penang Forum?

  53. kittykat46 says:

    Have some of you been living on another planet since March 8 ?

    Has Ong Boon Keong, Kah Seng et. al. taken a good look at the composition of the previous MPPP and MPSP council ? I bet he had trouble in the past getting an appointment with even the most junior councillor in a one or even two weeks time frame.

    “No opposition (BN) party rep”.
    All BN members are forbidden on their top leadership instruction to participate on PR state government appointments on pain of expulsion or other disciplinary action.

    “I am willing to vote BN just to punish Pakatan Rakyat to get local govt elections”

    By all means do so IF PR makes a mess of governing.
    But to get local govt elections , vote BN ?……Are you on Ecstasy pills ?

  54. no end in sight says:

    you want glasnost! – it is already visible.

    (at this point in time) i am not particularly concern about those councilors. whoever they may be as the process of natural selection will automatically weed out those who do not perform.

    it is particularly urgent task now to prevent a system breakdown. we know the previous government is hell bent on making it difficult for the new administration.

    what i am extremely concern is – (deeply) entrenched practices within the delivery system. it is the single biggest obstacle. councilors come councilors go but the servants doing the deliveries remain. if in a hostile environment many a motivated councilors will in no time get suck into the whirlpool! and the cycle begins!

    (assuming) material corruption is the “culture” and we all know such “fringe benefits” inevitably becomes dependent income. many a time such “dependent income” are committed. can you imagine how these people will react come along some glasnost hero wannabe who demands changes overnight. its catastrophes.

    a nice natural brew needs some time to mature and most importantly the brewing environment must be appropriate. we must help create such an environment to say the least if we want glasnost to succeed.

  55. I am a Gerakan member. For your information, Pakatan Rakyat did approach Gerakan members to be councillors. If fact, one of them is a Gerakan Branch chairman, a successful businessperson and also a local community leader in Tanjong.

    What better way to curry favour & build influence, than to appoint businesspersons from Chambers of Commerce and people who can get the votes and funds for PR.

    I believe PR don’t actually have this idealism of opening councillorships to NGOs. It was merely one of the item in DAP’s manifesto. Unfortunately, to look reliable, they have to carry this out.

  56. ong says:

    To Ivan Ho,
    I -together with about 10 ngos, sent a memo on local government election to Chow Kon Yeow, Exco in charge of Local governemnts on Apr 2nd -where were you then? The Penang Forum is on …Apr 13th, you said??? Go see Penangwatch.net to check out our report and memo-you have to go back many pages to find the report and photo, bro!

    To Kittykat,
    If BN reps don’t want to be Councilors -it is another thing. Did DAP say they they would appoint them in proporton to the vote shares obtained by BN? To appoint Opposition parties according to vote shares was an idea proposed by DAP during the 3rd vote campaign run by LGE a few years back. Chow admit it was their members’ resistance which block the implementation of DAP’s well publicised policy. Go check before you meow again!

  57. Silver Surfer says:

    There is one comment I do not quite agree. H’ng Khoon Leng believe businessmen shouldn’t be in politics.

    On the face of it, I tend to agree but on deeper reflection, that’s too drastic and tantamount to taking another citizen’s rights away. No, the correct solution is the businessman MUST severe all connections with business when he is in politics! They can transfer their business to a trustee who will ensure the business runned is transparent and publicly accountable.

    For a politician to be in business would be one of the biggest transgressions or sins and ths must be ABSOLUTELY forbidden.
    Anyone caught using insider information or peddlling information for personal advantage, or otherwise, must be removed from office immediately. The PM, CMs, and any other heads of an organization must set the standards and be seen to cleaner than clean. For their incorruptibility provides them the moral legitimamcy to sit in those chairs.

    As a caveat however, I do understand the mentality of many of our businessmen. So as Asians, we do need to be extra vigilant on this aspect of appointing businessmen or potential “businessmen” to public offices. Proper vetting is important.

  58. amoker says:

    For me, it does show that debates can happen for PR states. The complain will be a good reminder of the task ahead but could have been done differently.

    On the other side of the coin, at least representations of the people ( civil society to employers ) are finally set for Penang after years of neglect and abuse by civil servants and politicians.

  59. Reader says:

    Absolutely correct. No politician has any business involving themselves in business.

    The so called “Special Privileges” is only an excuse, a smokescreen, for these politicians to indulge in conflict of interest, of corruption, of nepotism.

    I bet you, virtually 90% of UMNO-BN people are involved in such traitorous activities. I salute AAB to the extent he had the courage to exclude those UMNO members as candidates for the recent GE.

    By their dastardly examples, they have also encouraged pandemic corruption in the Civil Service.

  60. whispering9 says:

    ‘Has Ong Boon Keong, Kah Seng et. al. taken a good look at the composition of the previous MPPP and MPSP council ? ‘

    Well, I am curious too. Why the chivalrous attitude now? Constant demands for idealism will only hamper progress and then we will be back to the same old same old. Don’t turn the whole thingy into a typical PTA election lah. Just let LGE work first without having his hands tied by constant objections. We can judge his results at the end of the fourth year.

  61. no end in sight says:

    * Giving jobs to the `boys’ instead of giving the posts on merits,

    who are the boys? who has got more merits?

    * The lack of transparency in the selection process; Even when elections cannot be held straight away for the Councilors, the State Government can still adopt an open selections system (open invites, open criteria, open process, open lists of candidates etc) compared to the closed door selections used now; It is not known if the candidates are selected on political or merit/capacity considerations;

    did they not approached GERAKAN members?

    * The lack of balance among the candidates eg among the Councilors there is a lack of representations of women, non-Chinese, civil society members, working class etc;

    what has that got to do with merit?

    * The appointment of 4 members of civil society members to MPPP and 3 to MPSP mean that the earlier promise of appointing 5 each to the 2 Penang’s Councils cannot be kept-a very bad start for the Councils!

    so what’s your contention?

    * The appointment of an Assemblyperson to MPPP is a step backward when all states except Selangor under BN did not allow Assemblypersons to also serve in City Councils; There is already an Exco in charge of Councils -so the appointment of another Assemblyperson to Council is an unneccesory concentration of power in a single hand;

    THIS I AGREE

    * The over-representation of Chambers of Commerce reps to the Councils (4 out of 7 civil society positions) present a very unbalanced Councils with potentials for conflict of interests since Chambers of Commerce members are often involved in applications of licenses to Councls; The lack of representations from working class, hawkers etc as promised highlight the imbalanced further.

    conflict of interest? is it not premature to infer? why must we think he is out to grab the grubs when he accepts a position being a councilor? being already in a powerful position indicates the capabilities of that individual. can we give him the benefit of the doubt that he is there to render his expertise to help formulate policies for the betterment of the state/rakyat. is the statement suggesting hawers need not deal with council and hence no conflict of interest. is it not possible the hawker uses his influence to obtain licenses to open chains of hawker centers or become a rent seeker himself?

    there will be no end discussing something which we presume must happen! a man convince against his will is of the opinion still. and even if it must happen it can happen to all and sundries irrespective of him being a whoever he is.

    but as convention dictates – condemn after 100 days. condemn when proven true. best if subsequent solutions can be offered.

    thank you.

  62. Kah Seng says:

    Look at the MalaysiaKini article “Penang groups unhappy with new Pakatan councillors”
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/81633

    It reported how DAP’s operatives are pressuring Chow KY from the opposite side of Ong, to reward themselves for their “loyalty,” for their contribution during election. In their view, “loyalty pays.” Do they understand councilors’ duties are to ALL Penang people?

    If there is no pressure from Ong side — as you would like to give DAP a long and comfortable honey moon — it will be no time when Chow is overwhelmed by the internal cronies.

    Are we to criticize only BN, but to become quickly irritated when Ong raises healthy and measured criticism against DAP behavior (not the party)?

    A good question is: do you think criticizing Chow will strengthen or weaken his hands against the internal “loyalist” demand? If you think the latter, it is not much different from MCA’s “don’t punish me, so I can represent you at the federal level.” And Koh TK and his aides’ “If you criticize CM KTK openly, it will weaken our hands against Penang UMNO demands.”

    What I am saying is that there are many odd signs in DAP’s behavior: promising this and doing less reformist things, all in a short time frame, with no explanation — all pointing to internal conflicts and a worrying future for direct local election.

    Also, we should be more imaginative about local election. Since the state government has the power to appoint the councilors, the question is how they are selected:

    1. Non transparent appointment,
    2. Open interview, criteria, selection process,
    3. Mock election through an extensive opinion poll, say 10 polling centers, over 5 days, using IC and internet connection to ensure voters poll only once,
    4. Going ahead to apply to SPR to organize a vote, then let the federal government challenge the application, then go to court with the federal government,
    5. Going through all the law amendments, then vote.

    Method 2 with a road map and renewed pledge to seriously pursue Methods 3, 4, or 5 direct election would have satisfied Ong and I for now.

    A pledge/roadmap today for Method 3 or 4 at mid-term (2 years from Mar 8), would also be satisfactory. Timing local election as the mid-term election is also useful to increase democracy, and allow voters to give early feedback to the state government. In fact, local election is not suitable to be held at the same time as GE, as campaign emotion can lead to completely one-sided representation at all 3 levels of government. (excessively strong government.)

    Method 5 is based on faith. That is why a clearly articulated road map, repeat of pledge, made today will be very useful. But if DAP cannot even explain the reduced NGO reps and DUN-cum-Council appointment, it shows a rapidly weakening commitment.

    That LGE cited costs as the reason, and not the laws means he sees Methods 1 to 4 are reasonably feasible legally.

    Method 3 is the most economical and flexible, since you don’t rely on SPR to issue the latest voters roll (we use IC and zip code, even allowing red IC to vote), you only need say 10 voting centers and subsidized volunteers over a week (spreading out the time will encourage more to go farther to vote in the relatively small number of polling centers), and cheap internet connection.

    Method 3 does not conflict with any existing laws: since the process is similar to a beauty pagent (private contest), and in-door ceramah and debates are legal, the whole process can approach a real election campaign. Yet, it is really only a formal opinion poll. The state government simply appoints those who poll on top. This cannot be done this month, but can be done in 6-24 months, close enough to be mentioned now as part of a road map. The Penang state government could have position this batch of councilor as a 2-year council.

    We also must not under-estimate the democratic and strategic importance of direct local election. I think local election ranks as highly as federal electoral reform, independent police complaint commission, judiciary reform, and placing ACA under the parliament.

    Most of Penang’s problems discussed at Penang forum and beyond, from transport (bus, tram, taxi, ferry, bridge, etc), to local plan, developments, heritage preservation, state land, state budget, environment, green space, garbage, traffic safety, community issues, economic issues will probably receive 10 times the attention and commitment, from elected councilors, compared to non-transparently appointed councilors. A politically-legitimate councilors will be a lot more effective in pushing through the necessary changes.

    Direct local election is as close to a panacea as we can realistically get to solving the above social, economic, and political problems. That is why we should be very upset for no clear progress plan towards direct election.

    Moreover, direct election will allow BN reps (those believed to be trustworthy) to enter government, making them the most effective watch dog (may be even better than Ong). Ironically, we will also be more comfortable voting for PR at the state and parliament levels, since BN reps can enter at the local level. We must remember nearly half of voters voted BN; Lim Gim Soon, Lee Hak Teik (spellings?) had their value to contribute to the inner city folks too. If you don’t agree on this point, prove it in a direct poll.

    Why would I vote for BN if direct local elections are not seriously pursued? Because I see direct local election as something as close to a cure-all for Penang’s problems as we can ever get. If PR/DAP can renege on such a strategic important issue, it must be too corrupted and too strong to take such a reforming step. But I will make that decision only when the next GE comes along.

    Democracy is about helping the weak and down-trodden — I mean the down-trodden political party — to ensure there is enough competition, so that the weak and minority people’s rights will be protected. I would have loved to vote for many of the PR including DAP candidates. But my vote will be to ensure there is enough competition for better policies.

  63. no end in sight says:

    hahahhahahahaha…….

    …….. these people talk as if they are buying some can of sardines from the supermarket ….. don’t forget your loaf of bread too folks….

    good nite folks

  64. kittykat46 says:

    BK Ong,
    “Go check before you meow again!”
    I did check my facts before I wrote my post.

    I’m not privy to whatever discussions or disagreements occurred in DAP over the issue of possible BN councillors.

    I definitely have seen (direct, not press reports) instructions right from the BN leadership that BN members are forbidden to take on political appointee positions in PR controlled state governments.

    In fact, in Penang and Perak there were MCA and Gerakan members who were civic concious enough to offer to continue their current contributions, but the instruction from the top is – RESIGN – absolutely no exceptions, unless you want to face disciplinary action.

  65. ong says:

    To Kittykat,
    I understand what you referred to: BN Councilors had been instructed to resign because it is a different government now-under current appointment system ie winner at state government takes all Councilors positions. They are scared that taking PR government appointment will cause the Councilors to switch allegiance. However it is a different thing if PR government make a open public policy to apportion Councilors positions according to votes shares obtained at state elections. Then the BN Councilors obtain their position as of right/what is due to them. They don’t have to say tq to PR-under this rule advocated by DAP before. These are 2 different things.

  66. butkuatteh says:

    The problem is the eunuch party is a nepotistic party. So the practice of nepotism and cronyism is an innate custom/ culture to the party.

    It’s looks intolerable to outsiders but to the eunuchs, it’s like drinking Chinese tea and eating but kuat teh.

  67. ong says:

    Some answers to your point-by-point retorts:

    no end in sight Says:
    April 19, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    * Giving jobs to the `boys’ instead of giving the posts on merits,

    who are the boys? who has got more merits?

    `boys’ mean party supporters-who may differ from others who eg are interviewed by objective panel like a job interview;

    * The lack of transparency in the selection process; Even when elections cannot be held straight away for the Councilors, the State Government can still adopt an open selections system (open invites, open criteria, open process, open lists of candidates etc) compared to the closed door selections used now; It is not known if the candidates are selected on political or merit/capacity considerations;

    did they not approached GERAKAN members?

    That is selective-open invitation would mean advertise the positions in the press;

    * The lack of balance among the candidates eg among the Councilors there is a lack of representations of women, non-Chinese, civil society members, working class etc;

    what has that got to do with merit?

    Yes- it is not; it was raised separately as a lack of `balance’; Other than being appointed on merit the Councils would do well to have balance composition that include major social groupings in the society to forestall prejudices;

    * The appointment of 4 members of civil society members to MPPP and 3 to MPSP mean that the earlier promise of appointing 5 each to the 2 Penang’s Councils cannot be kept-a very bad start for the Councils!

    so what’s your contention?

    While we are opposed to appointment system the promise to appoint 5 Councilors from civil society for each Council need to be kept; Politicians should do well not to start their new job by breaking their election promise-that is under `trustworthiness’;

    * The appointment of an Assemblyperson to MPPP is a step backward when all states except Selangor under BN did not allow Assemblypersons to also serve in City Councils; There is already an Exco in charge of Councils -so the appointment of another Assemblyperson to Council is an unneccesory concentration of power in a single hand;

    THIS I AGREE

    * The over-representation of Chambers of Commerce reps to the Councils (4 out of 7 civil society positions) present a very unbalanced Councils with potentials for conflict of interests since Chambers of Commerce members are often involved in applications of licenses to Councls; The lack of representations from working class, hawkers etc as promised highlight the imbalanced further.

    conflict of interest? is it not premature to infer? why must we think he is out to grab the grubs when he accepts a position being a councilor? being already in a powerful position indicates the capabilities of that individual. can we give him the benefit of the doubt that he is there to render his expertise to help formulate policies for the betterment of the state/rakyat. is the statement suggesting hawers need not deal with council and hence no conflict of interest. is it not possible the hawker uses his influence to obtain licenses to open chains of hawker centers or become a rent seeker himself?

    There are enough said on how conflict of interests can happen -so go read them.

    there will be no end discussing something which we presume must happen! a man convince against his will is of the opinion still. and even if it must happen it can happen to all and sundries irrespective of him being a whoever he is.

    but as convention dictates – condemn after 100 days. condemn when proven true. best if subsequent solutions can be offered.

    I don’t think we are condemning before the results -we are forewarning the likely pitfalls eg if you appoint business people into Council -that person/boss/friends/relatives may apply for business license or something-the temptation to give some extra sympathy to that application is beyond most people to resist; In fact this should be avoided as much as possible even to remove any suspicion that it could occur. Justice need to be done as well as seen to be done.

    thank you.

    sama-sama.

  68. butkuatteh says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha x100. This is the biggest joke in the world. Don’t tell me that there is no one Penangite is capable of being the Chief Minister?

    Do we have to ‘import’ a gadol-gadol ‘expatriate’ to be our CM? Malacca is famous for Admiral Cheng Ho the eunuch from China. Now Penang has a eunuch CM imported from China via Malacca.

    Very soon all the Penagites will be eunuchs also, thanks to our Eunush CM.

  69. yugong says:

    I think people, mainly DAP supporters, boast about the involvement of Civil Society in local councils is the invention of PR and has not been thought of by the previous State government under Gerakan. It is not true, in the mid-seventies under Lim Chong Eu, civil society members were included in the Local Councils. As far as I know the experience was not that good. But that’s another story. I hope LGE’s government shouldn’t boast by distorting the facts.
    Similarly the RM1 Assessment fee for schools has been implemented by the previous State Govt. But this did not stop LGE’s govt from claiming that, as revealed in the Press, they were the first to carry that out. So much for DAP’s honesty.

    It is alright to include civil society in the Local Councils. But I think the dissatisfaction of the Penang people is centred around the hypocricy of the LGE’s govt. DAP knew it was not easy to carry out Local Council elections, yet they still promised during the last elections. They knew it was not easy to include the civil society people and yet they promised that. Their main intention was to get votes.

    Now that they are in govt and they can see the opportunity and advantage of having so many public posts at their disposal, why don’t they use these to attract more supporters to the Party and reward their own members?

    This is the real reason for the about turn of the DAP promises regarding Local Elections.
    They are in the end just like the BN politicians whom they criticised and overthrew.
    So do you think now that the aim of DAP getting into power is for themselves or for the people?

  70. Jeffrey Chew says:

    As said before – the local elections is prime. If even Gerakan and MCA can’t invoke that change before, lets be objective about that. I will still be angry with MCA and Gerakan and my vote will never be for them. The land deals and the other issues that were left behind will never be my reasons to vote for BN. So – BK Ong – I will like to see you run for the local elections especially against those who were ADUNs before. If you run in my area , you have my vote. I will never never vote for BN again.

  71. welcome2holland says:

    The ironic with a eunuch party is that in trying to solve a problem, the problem becomes bigger and/or more complicated/ and/or creating more problems.

    This is a norm to the eunuch party.

    As such a eunuch party has to shift root from sang kancil state to the pearl island, then to the elephant state and finally to holland.

    Penangites are just a bunch of eunuchs.

  72. ongalso says:

    Ong and Kah Seng,

    Pls answer the following questions honestly……..

    1. is the current list NOT BETTER than the PREVIOUS bn list?????????
    2. “if” bn continue to be the government, do u think the situation will be BETTER???????
    3. YOU GOT BABY OR NOT????YOUR BABY LEARN HOW TO CRAWL FIRST OR WALK FIRST???????????????

  73. no end in sight says:

    the crux of dissatisfaction among some sections of society – “you made a promise and i hold you to your promises. non negotiable.”

    as far as i am concern. they have another 58 months to deliver on their sales talk. i can even accept late deliveries. i won’t bother with some dents here and there . but i will not tolerate no deliveries.

    i trust my judgment they are sincere sales people. i can accept some of them may go astray given the temptations. ultimately it is up to them to decide if they want to continue doing business.

    btw i am no crony to anybody – just some silly eat full nothing to do fler looking for some outlets to rant. and don’t assume i am associated to jeff ooi just because i stole his oft repeated “talk is cheap” liner

  74. dodgy inc says:

    In the West, Local Council comprises of volunteer representatives who live within the community and representatives from diverse segments which may include: Response/Emergency Management Agency ; Voluntary organizations ; Elected official(s) ; Business leader(s) ; Education ; Transportation sector ; Media executives ; Minority and special needs representation ; Leadership from community sub-structure ; Religious organizations ; Social service organizations.

    In Malaysia, we got it totally wrong. Judging from the sheer number applicants for Local Council posts in all PR States after March 8 election and big fight in this blog, the Local Council has become a big “money” affair.

    Reading all these long and winding entries here makes me sick. People still think they can become another “Zakaria the palace infamy”-in waiting. Only money matters the most

    Shame on you people.

  75. penang nutmeg says:

    To solve this problem is very simple!

    First send the eunuch CM back to Malacca eating cendu, then appoint a true Penangite like loone, BK Ong or any capable Penangite, then all problems solved.

  76. KK Lim says:

    My take on the comments by some NGO “leaders” is that they think they are probably the only “true” representatives of the Penang people and so deserved to be represented in the MPP/MPSP. May I know how were some of these people made spokesmen of these NGO’s – were they appointed ? self appointed ? elected ? mandated by their members ?

    My bet is that even if the new Penang Govt decides to fill all the councillor posts with NGO reps, what we will be getting will be dysfunctional council because knowing how some of them behave, no outcomes will be produced come the next GE as on most issues, these NGO’s will be talking at tangent with each other (at least I’m trying to be polite here). notwithstanding some of them seemed so egoistic about their importance as to even threaten the new government with all sorts of consequences. Please lah, wait for these newly appointed people to perform before judging ; don’t create alarm and doubt about the new govt with your speculative theories (blue gang /green gang, old enunch/ young enunch – sounds disgusting ) and so on. If you believe in and is a fighter for democracy, you should understand the meaning of democratic process – vote them out come five years time if their performances do not meet your standard or your NGO’s. Meanwhile, let them go about the business of governing, ok ? Don’t frustrate. Help to facilitate. Remember, it was not easy to get this new government formed in the first place. It took almost 40 years !

  77. fraser hill says:

    This LKK is a real bane to Malaysia. Time to retire and join his old clique.

    With him and his son around, Malaysia’s problems would never be solved but creating more problems.

    No wonder Mahaithir could ‘main’ the country at his whims and fancies for 22 years when this LKK L was the counterpart.

  78. penang voter says:

    This LKK is real bodoh! By putting his son as the CM, this is nepotism at the blatant highest level.

    This LKK is asking for trouble. Could the eunuch party runs a state well with nepotism as the icon of the state?

    LKK, you are a real stupid politician who is crazy in power but not in the interests of the Penangites.

    Time to retire and enjoy with your cucu2.

  79. LKK says:

    Oh no no! I won’t retire even if I died long ago and laid down in a coffin. Politics is embedded in me- in my skeleton. Even after cremation, my political-soaked ashes also wants to do political blogging and/or playing politics from an ashes pot in the Penang’s Kek Lok Si temple.

  80. mahahathir says:

    Me too.

  81. dotherview says:

    Shame on you…..jogging for positions. What is the difference between PR and BN. What LGE doing right. Select best man for job regardless of political affliation. If you dont like it, then vote for BN next time.

  82. shroff says:

    whatsoever,hope the new appointed councillors dont start messing or rigging job tenders as promise by Guan Eng,esp for those from comerce chambers.there they have been deriving their own members and here what would they do.

  83. Stop Complaining says:

    “Earlier, Ong Boon Keong @ Penang Watch said the councilors list for MPPP and MPSP (Penang and mainland) did not go down well with Civil Society members when it was released by Chow Kon Yeow, the Exco in charge of Local Government on Tuesday.”

    Ong BOon Keong is speaking for those who turned up. HOw many? Less than 10? Ok less than 20? He should not be speaking for all in Civil Society. HOw does he knows it not go down well with majority of CIvil Society

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