By Mat Salleh, Asia Sentinel.

The “retirement” of two top prosecutors is the latest fallout from the Mongolian murder trial, but the problems run deeper.



With the trial of three defendants for the brutal murder of Mongolian translator Altantuya Shaariibuu entering another week, the Malaysian judiciary system is facing arguably its biggest crisis since former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad sacked the Lord President, Tun Salleh Abbas, and two Supreme Court judges in 1988, ending the court’s independence.

The immediate concern is the threatened resignation of two top prosecutors, Yusof Zainal Abiden, the head of the prosecution division, and Sallehuddin Saidin, the deputy prosecutor and head of the classified cases unit. Although the Attorney General’s chambers denied the two were resigning, they later said they were applying for “optional retirement.”

Although no reasons have been given for the retirement, Malaysia’s gossipy legal fraternity seems to believe that the two are leaving because of dissatisfaction over problems in the politically charged murder case. Other top prosecution figures are reportedly considering quitting as well despite the denials.

In fact much of the spreading dissatisfaction with the judiciary relates to how the case is being handled. Sallehuddin had been named head of the prosecution team until he was abruptly dropped from handling it by Malaysia’s attorney general, Abdul Gani Patail, the night before the trial was to begin. The attorney general’s office issued a statement that the dismissal was because Sallehuddin had been seen playing badminton with judges, an explanation that few in the legal system believed. The prosecution was replaced by a new team led by Majid Tun Hamzah.

Before the 28-year-old Altantuya was murdered and her body was blown apart with explosives in a suburban jungle clearing last Oct. 19, she was the lover of Abdul Razak Baginda, the head of the Malaysian Strategic Research Centre and a close advisor to Najib Tun Razak, the deputy prime minister. Abdul Razak was charged, along with Chief Inspector Azilah Hadri and Constable Sirul Azhar Umar, members of Najib’s personal security team, on suspicion that the political analyst had prevailed on the two security men to get rid of her.

The Russian-educated Altantuya, who spoke five languages, and the high-flying political analyst were involved in a whirlwind affair that included expensive gifts and trips to Europe, as well as payments up to US$10,000. After the married Abdul Razak had apparently tired of his paramour, the woman came to Malaysia to demand US$500,000 from him as support for a baby he allegedly sired.

From the time of the arrests, the case has been treated with extraordinary sensitivity in Kuala Lumpur, with every effort being taken to keep Najib’s name out of the trial – attempts that failed when Altantuya’s cousin testified in court that she had seen photos of Altantuya together with Abdul Razak and Najib at a dinner.

Strangely in what is presumed to be a court of law, both the prosecution and the defense asked that her testimony be stricken from the record, and neither side bothered to attempt to subpoena the picture. Nor at any time during the trial has either the prosecution or the defense attempted to ascertain how Abdul Razak, a private citizen, could prevail on Najib’s bodyguards to get rid of the woman without informing Najib about the matter. Najib has never been questioned or asked to testify.

In addition to the replacement of Sallehuddin, there have been other irregularities. One of the most disturbing came when a Mongolian friend of Altantuya’s testified in court that her entry into Malaysia, and presumably that of Altantuya as well, had been expunged from Malaysian immigration computers, implying that someone in government had been asked or ordered to participate in the murdered woman’s complete disappearance. There is no record that either the prosecution or the defense following up on the disappearance of the records.

“Our entry was deleted in the immigration computer,” the woman testified, banging the witness stand and adding: “There is no record of me coming to Malaysia through Beijing. Why?”

Among other questionable occurrences, the case, originally scheduled to be heard in March of 2008, was suddenly moved forward by almost a year before it had to be postponed so that the abruptly appointed new prosecution team could prepare. Many political observers theorized the advance was because Malaysia is scheduled for elections before that time and the government, led by Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, did not want a politically embarrassing case going on close to the polls.

Also, Mohd Zaki Md Yasin, who had recently been promoted from a position as a judicial commissioner, was assigned to replace the more senior Justice K N Segara, who had originally been scheduled to hear the case. And, just as the trial began, Constable Azilah’s lawyer, Zulkifli Noordin, withdrew from the case, telling reporters that “There were serious attempts by third parties to interfere with the defense that I proposed.” He declined to elaborate.

Since that time, the defense has been chipping away at the case. A purported confession by Sirul, the junior of the two bodyguards, was thrown out because the statement was made “involuntarily.” An admission by Sirul disclosing the location where Altantuya had been murdered was thrown out on a technicality. Jewelry reportedly owned by Altantuya that turned up in a search of Sirul’s house was ruled inadmissible.

The prosecution sought to impeach the testimony of its own witness, a 28-year-old policewoman and former girlfriend of Azilah, who reportedly witnessed Altantuya’s abduction from in front of Abdul Razak’s home. She had accompanied Azilah Hadri to the home.

Despite the fact that Altantuya’s bloody shoes were found in Sirul’s car, the continuing moves to bar introduction of evidence is increasingly make it appear that there may be little left to tie any of the three defendants directly to the murder.

Worries about the bungling and possible manipulation of the Altantuya case feed into longstanding concerns about the prosecution of other trials, going back to the conviction of former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Abrahim, a political enemy of Mahathir’s, in 1999 on corruption and sexual abuse charges that are widely held to have been spurious, and the abrupt dismissal of corruption charges against tycoon Eric Chia, a longtime crony of the former prime minister.

And, on July 27, Attorney General Abdul Gani simultaneously absolved both the Inspector General of Police and the former Director General of the Anti-Corruption Agency of spectacular corruption charges just two weeks after he had done the same for the deputy minister of internal security, the cabinet member in charge of the police force.

These cases have kicked off a firestorm in Malaysian cyberspace, with bloggers scornfully charging that the judicial system is corrupt. The prevailing criticism is that all of these cases are interlinked by the fact that Mahathir ended the judiciary’s independence when he sacked the country’s top judges 20 years earlier, and that until its autonomy from the government – particularly the United Malays National Organisation, the leading ethnic party in the ruling coalition – is reestablished, justice in Malaysia will be hard to come by.

Typical was an online entry by “Pak Pandir Baru:”

“Presently, our judiciary is suffering from credibility problems and the AG’s Chambers is heading towards that direction. There is scandal after scandal being perpetrated by those holding the various forts which have caused billions of public funds to be depleted. As one of the guardian of the country’s constitution, the AG and his office should be more proactive in fighting grafts no matter how high the person’s rank is. As we approach our 50th year of independence, it is sad to see our civil servants being influenced by the present immoral top guns who have no shame in dipping their fingers in the cookie jar for their own personal gain. At the rate we are going, our inept leadership should be ashamed of themselves for getting us in the mess we are in.”


102 responses »

  1. monsterball says:

    All who can think properly .. have given up of a fair trial …days ago. I have stopped following the case.
    Such a terrible brutal murder case involving high profile personalities and suspects…is treated as a kangaroo court case.
    Someone just found another body…all blown nearby where Atlantuya was blown off. Is that not a comical coincident?
    Now the above message put out by Susan?
    Yes…If our own ex Lord President….Tun Salleh Abbas can be sacked and no one cares to examine all this poor man have said..even recommended by the Legal Council society to have another court case….REJECTED…..what is Altantayu…a nobody Mongolian girl… to injustices done to Tun Salleh.
    Politics have been rooted far too long under TDM 22 years in so call political free legal and security departments of the government….infect every department….especially certain areas in sports. Sports have now been corrected.
    Poor Atlantayu may have an unfair judgment before we see heads roll again in the judicial department….that is heads rolling in and out for the benefit of becoming a non political department to favor no political party or politicians. I doubt it can be done….so is the security dept…UNLESS a daring total change…elected and recommended by the wise public figures….not from UMNO or any political parties….but from a panel of people headed by our Prince of Perak….and involving few more non partisan royalties from all States’…as these young royalties….including the Sultan of Selangor and our present Agong…..all showing true love and care for the people of Malaysia. …talking love …caring and sharing.. far far different from politicians.
    We simply need a true loving sincere and daring leader to get back the respect from the world. Otherwise, Malaysia is getting deeper and deeper into becoming the most hypocritical developed country of the world…..stained with massive corruptions..unsolved or going scotched free… why be so surprise Atlantayu court case is a circus act?

  2. ghenjis khan says:

    even in the most of uncivlised tribes, the last bastion of mercy will always be some “judge “.. be it the gansgter leader or the one-eyed jack pirate ….

    in our case, we don’t seem to have any resemblence of that, even!

  3. hutchrun says:

    Dato Gani Patail used the meeting and the death sentence under Section 57 of the ISA as a bargaining tool to gather evidence against Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim. He had with him the letter I had written to you and copied to him. He was waving the letter about and kept on saying repeatedly, “I am not impressed” and suggesting that
    he would not be impressed with any plea to a charge under Arms Act but instead wanted more. This ‘more’ and it came across very loud and clear because Dato Gani laid it out in very clear and definite terms, was

    1. That Nallakaruppan was now facing the death sentence,

    2. That there were other charges also under the ISA that he could prefer against
    Nallakarrupan but that if they [AG’s chambers?] hanged him once under the present charge what need would there be to charge him for anything else.

    3. That in exchange for a reduction of the present charge to one under the Arms Act he wanted Nallakaruppan to co-operate with them and to give information against Anwar Ibrahim, specifically on matters concerning several married women. Dato Gani kept changing the number of women and finally settled on five, three married and two unmarried.

    4. That he would expect Nallakaruppan to testify against Anwar in respect of
    these women.

    I was shocked that Dato Gani even had the gall to make such a suggestion to me. He obviously does not know me. I do not approve of such extraction of evidence against ANYONE, not even, or should I say least of all, a beggar picked up off the streets. A man’s life, or for that matter even his freedom, is not a tool for prosecution agencies to use as a bargaining chip.

  4. Linda says:

    Just completed my LLB at Sheffield. Did all my secondary schooling in the U.K.

    Am now wondering whether to return to M’sia to do the CLP. I hear it is “doctored” to allow more Malay students to pass.

    Either that or I go for different career. Hear lawyers in Malaysia have bad reputation.

    Also I’m not good in Bahasa. Is there a special course I need to attend? Is it a requirement. Any lawyer in the house? Please help me.

  5. hutchrun says:

    I hear it is “doctored” to allow more Malay students to pass.
    Do your chambers in the UK, if that`s possible and get accredited to the UK Bar, which would easily get you accredited to other C`wealth countries.
    Forget about doing the CLP in m`sia and wasting your time. There are those with good LLB passes who can`t get thru the CLP despit repeated attempts.

    Other alternative would be to work in the legal dep. of some corporate org like banks/insurance cos. etc.

  6. Ben says:

    Hey Linda,

    You heard “Lawyers in Malaysia have BAD reputation” AND you want to practise here?

  7. Meng Yee says:

    Ghani Patail would do well to remember how his predecessor, the former AG died. There is a God and He hates injustice.

  8. bamboo river says:

    The rest of the pack should take the cue.
    Begining from the top level .

  9. wits0 says:

    FatTail was promoted for prosecuting Anwar successfully. The Commissioner was promoted to Judge to suit their agenda.

    Looks like both the legal profession and journalism are(and has been) not conducive to people of integrity anymore in Bolehland.

  10. speloo says:

    take action now — let’s request Raja Nazrin as PM.

  11. monsterball says:

    Headline news today revealed that most so call unfair cases being judged are due to no proper police investigations…incomplete informations ….thus inconsistence towards prosecuting cases.
    It’s headline news from the S.Times.
    Now lets wait for IGP response…if any.
    This do clear up some of our doubts on Judges…..that’s good.
    But why no want take Tun Salleh’s complaints of an unfair case against him seriously…I wonder.

  12. the Razzler says:

    Yes .. If only YM Rala Nazrin should be willing to lead the country .. he would be the natural choice!!

  13. wits0 says:

    Aye to that, Razzler.

  14. jentan says:

    It is a relief to read what Raja Nazrin said. Indeed, the Constitution provides adequate protection. However, the misinterpretation of the terms by our leaders TAKE AWAY all the ‘protection’ afforded by the Constitution. Let us hope and pray that all the leaders will ‘lead by example’ and fear God all the time and not dwell in their laurels and enjoying the votes they have secured. We are not fools. Do not take us on rides in the roller coasters.

    Thank God for Raja Nazrin – who spoke our bravely and wisely. Who else dare to be brave and wise? Thank God for Tengku Dara who is his wise partner. Speak on, that JUSTICE and FAIRNESS may be done to us because God is Just and Fair, and all those who believe in Him will want to be just and fair as well.

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  16. anthony says:

    Affirmative action is good provided it helps the disadvantaged. But, to blindly implement affirmative action to help the ” disadvantaged ‘ without a care to quality, results in the mess the country currently is in. Is there any govt. dept or agency, without blemish as a direct result of incompetency of it’s workforce! or is it the learning curve at the expense of the rakyat!

  17. jentan says:

    Evicting all the pomelo growers at Tambun, Perak, who had cultivated the lands for the past 30 years and choosing to build new settlements for the foreigners on the other hand?

    Where is our sense and sensibility?

    Will the powers that be please explain and allay our fears!

    The Words of Christ wash us. They make us clean. All of us need to mingle with God so that we have a conscience in all that we do.

    The security guards and illegal immigrants have commited enough crimes around us. Do not encourage their presence unnecessarily. Do not have gated and guarded communities. Instead, form battalions among the residents in the whole neighbourhoods so that when we are united, we are able to make citizens’ arrests, catch the criminals, and put a stop to their unbecoming acts and shameful “occupations” – as demonstrated by the criminals – which our young ones may in future emulate – thinking it is so easy to GAIN WITHOUT PAINS.

  18. yh says:

    at least, there are still respectable men in the AG office but for how long? the honest and principled ones are saying goodbye. whats left are probably at the disposal of the powers that be and eventually there’s zilch honour in the AG office. sad isnt it?

  19. hutchrun says:

    I love that cat.

  20. wits0 says:

    Very soon the total pall of the unprincipled will be the order of the day everywhere. Principle is already in a very critical stage of illness.

    The fascist racism is the mother of all societal decays – that’s why Zam and his support groups are noisily denying every damn thing that does not praise the overall System. The justice-ice System will become just a gobbledygook monopoly as the STFU demands come issuing forth with greater frequency.

  21. Linda says:

    Thank you, Mr. Manjeet for your advice.

    But don’t I have to be a permanent resident to be able to do all that?

  22. monsterball says:

    Linda calling hutchrun Mr. Manjeet?
    Linda…commonsense will tell you lawyers have to be able to read write and converse in Bahasa well in Malaysia… all court proceedings are conducted in our national language as a rule of law. It is not hard to master Bahasa I assure you.
    So…don’t let that be a hindrance or excuse not to further your studies back here. Think it over.
    Don’t rely on rumors about favoring one race to pass exams….especially on laws.No existing students have complaint about this in Malaysia and if true….there will be such a ferocious hue and cry from the public. No one have ever complaint.
    What you need to check it properly is whether in MALAYSIA do we have a good reputations with a University equipped with good lecturers.
    Are you depending on government support? I hope not.
    It looks like your mind has not make up to be a lawyer or something else. Be firm….or else it is a degree that will not get you to commit to be a successful career woman…but to earn a living as a professional. Such will not be good for you or your future clients. Do you like justice or save lives? One is for law…the other a surgeon.
    I presume your further studies are self financing…is that right? Then it is much easier.
    If you need reputable lawyers to advise you with more than 25 years experiences… problem. I can get them to make time for you…to advise you.
    I think you know even you pass law…you need six months or more working experiences in a well established legal firm to sponsor you….recognized as a lawyer.
    Think about….whether you want to specialized as….corporate….criminal….compensation….or general lawyer you wish to be….and why….ask yourself.
    Don’t be a lawyer…just because of earning a living. Please be a specialist.
    Goodluck to your future.

  23. hkham says:


    Asia Sentinel is delighted that you’re so interested in its content — but instead of just republishing entire articles, in the future could you consider just publishing extracts and the linking to the site from whence it came for further reading? The Sentinel is just a start-up with limited resources trying to provide a platform for top-notch journalism in Asia. Without the deserved traffic the best stories bring, it’ll make it harder for the site to gain traction.

    I hope you’ll support the Sentinel in this cause.

    Thanks very much,
    Hamish McKenzie
    on behalf of Asia Sentinel

  24. monsterball says:

    hkham…Be a sport! Send a basket of flowers with some chocolates to Susan for advertising free in her blog.
    Goodluck to your Asia Sentinel.

  25. hkham says:

    Yes, yes, I should make that clear — we’re very happy Susan is giving the Sentinel good exposure here. We’re just hoping she can share some of the traffic…


  26. hutchrun says:

    Linda calling hutchrun Mr. Manjeet?
    HaHa. No Linda I`m not Manjeet (tho I know him). You must have got that impression after the link I posted and assumed so.

    But don’t I have to be a permanent resident to be able to do all that?
    Come come. What`s this. You are the one
    ` Just completed my LLB at Sheffield. Did all my secondary schooling in the U.K.`

    Check with your UK Bar Association. They`ll give you all the info – I`m sure.
    If it`s the Malaysian Bar, then you probly can write to them. Their website:

  27. monsterball says:

    Glad you are happy hkham.
    But I think you still owe her that present as I suggested…as you did “rub it in”…so to speak.
    Come on…be a sport!!

  28. PAS says:

    i love to see some umno flag burning in youtube 😀

  29. 2legit says:


    This was what was told to RPK by his deep throat:

    “What they told me was most frightening indeed. It seems the two police officers currently on trial for murder never revealed the location where Altantuya was disposed. The police knew exactly where the place was in spite of its extremely hidden location and which is off the beaten track. How did they know? Is it because that location is ‘gazetted’ as a disposal site? Furthermore, I was told, when the forensic people took away Altantuya’s remains, they discovered that the remains were not of Altantuya alone but of nine different people. I wanted all this on video because short of this ‘evidence’ not many would believe such a thing like this. Now Razak’s Affidavit that he filed during his bail application in front of Justice Segara makes sense. According to Razak, the inspector told him he had already killed six people before. Were these six amongst the remains of that nine?”

  30. notsosmart says:

    2legit….Do we have a similar Bosnia-Serbia tactic here?
    Well..if this is the case against the corrupt high-official, then forget about it. They will never investigate. Why they would self-destruct, when they are the ‘Untouchable’.
    Looks like somebody is playing God here. Always the usual phrase here..’sudden death’…’God’s will’

  31. avvit says:

    Susan you left out a couple things. Firstly, Altantuya threatened Razak’s family and blackmailed Razak.

    Secondly, the police have not even done proper investigations on Razak and seemed to just arrest him without due cause (Wong, Razak’s council clarified this a couple of weeks back).

    That and all that has been revealed really does bring light on how the investigative procedures are done by the police.

  32. Man Friday says:

    Hope you’re not suggesting that harassment is an excuse for murder.

    Arresting without probable cause would mean he would have to be released once the time allowed is up.

    Razak is a piece of the puzzle that needs solving. He is the piece that holds the other pieces together.

  33. Mason From Kuching says:

    If the “Independent Police Complaint and Misconduct Commision” (IPCMC) is enacted now with the participation of local and foreign NGOs’, I highly perceived that most of the vocalists would be thrown to jail, the rest will pee in their pants given the state of affairs now.

    Imangine the sole suspect Eric Chia’s calculated acquital. The window-dressing investigations of Johari Baharum and the interim IGP and the continual harassmant of Raja Petra and even permeates to his family, the parodies in the trial of the murdered Mongolian, Altantuya Sharibuu, and countless of sordid affairs, I am wondering whether Malaysia is turning into another Myanmar or already a replicate of the Military Junta State?

    If the executive is colluding and instructing the police and the judicial system, I can’t see how the IPCMC could work at such juncture. A weaponless
    man is at the mercy of a man with a gun.

    For e.g. If a family (executive) coaches their fillial son (police)to steal as an occupation, and when the son steals without the parents consent and thereof, the parents decided to recruit a nanny(IPCMC) to reprimand and refrain him from stealing and commiting other misdeeds other than the parents consent, I bet that the nanny would be tied-up and walloped by the son.

    The same analogy applies in Malaysia as I see it
    unless Raja Nazrin and his counterparts accorded to stage a coup d’etat (if they are in nigh total control of the armies), otherwise I couldn’t see any difference between Malaysia and Myanmar, politically speaking.

  34. Dazzled says:

    Raza Nazrin would do well to respect his position as successor to the Perak throne. (Is he due to succeed his father-Ruler or will someone else from another family take his place? I don’t think it is passed from father to son in the case of Perak).

    Anyway, the PM if he has not already done so, will sooner than later, advise his father to see that the son does not become the loose cannon that he appears to be. What are the other Malay Rulers thinking?? Someone not quite within their ranks is acting out his “I have a dream” vision and jeopardizing their comfortable life styles as constitutional rulers??

    I find Nazrin’s reference to the late Tun Dr. Ismail rather odd because he was very much the architect of the NEP together with Tun Razak which has been blamed for the increasing racial polarization today. Tun Dr. Ismail was highly critical of the Tunku and was appointed DPM by Tun Razak.

    This Tun Dr. Ismail was a flamboyant character. You see him dressed in bell-bottoms in Parliament and with scarves – and of course never without his trademark pipe!

    If Nazrin really wants a role for himself in politics, he should abdicate his position as Crown prince and not cause a constitutional crisis. We have had enough of that.

  35. Lucy Liu says:

    I want Nazrin. Hello? Are you there?

  36. hutchrun says:

    Firstly, Altantuya threatened Razak’s family.. investigative procedures are done by the police.
    I`ve lost all interest in the case, tho I await Bagainda`s wife testimony. She did say that her husband was not interested in being the next PM. That`s a loaded statement.

    As for the deceased `blackmail`, why didn`t the police immediately arrest the deceased when the report was filed. That was prima facie evidence.
    So that begs the question if the `blackmail` police report being bandied is a forgery to cover the real report which might have said that certain commissions had not been paid.

    Of greater interest now is the suit filed against the Govt. by the deceased`s father. Now where`s that damned french dinner photo.

  37. […] Rot and more rot in Malaysia’s judicial system  By Mat Salleh, Asia Sentinel. The “retirement” of two top prosecutors is the latest fallout from the Mongolian […] […]

  38. hutchrun says:

    Ooooo dat cat.

  39. ghenjis khan says:

    there are two ways to prevent the ROT …

    1] call RENTOKILL or SENTRICON the epst controllers ….physically they can be eliminated

    2] attend Professor Dr Alan Godlas 2 day retreat at Shah Motel, PJ this Saturday and Sunday

    Transformation of the Self …

    An American Professor of Religion at Georgia Uni USA. Must NOT miss this seminar

    He into Rumi and speaks Arab-Turkish
    call Dr Suriya at 012-6366121 or Dr Maryam

    cleansing of the soul, know your ego ….

    highly recommended for all good decent bloogers and particularly AG, ex-MB, Judges, and all cyber troopers of those kinds ..

  40. hutchrun says:

    Rulers reject PM’s choice for top judge
    Aug 8, 07 6:02pm

    The Conference of Rulers in a rare move has rejected the government’s choice for the position of chief judge of Malaya – the judiciary’s No 3 post.

    No comment from CJ
    PM met Perak sultan?

  41. 50Sen says:

    Hutchrun: “Of greater interest now is the suit filed against the Govt. by the deceased`s father. Now where`s that damned french dinner photo.”

    It is a question of ‘nexus’ among others. The real victims are the taxpayers who would have to eventually foot the bill if that ‘nexus’ is proven.

  42. My2Cents says:

    Government nominee for the post of CJ rejected by the Conference of Rulers? I see another Constitutional crisis coming.

  43. omigosh says:

    “The police knew exactly where the place was in spite of its extremely hidden location and which is off the beaten track. How did they know? Is it because that location is ‘gazetted’ as a disposal site?”

    If RPK’s deep throat claims are true, shouldn’t the authorities be investigating the ‘Shah Alam Killing Fields”

  44. kittykat46 says:

    Hi Dazzled 1.00 am,
    I do not think Raja Nazrin has improperly intruded into the political arena at all. All his comments so far touch on governance, integrity in leadership, the supremacy of the Constitution.

    All right and proper subjects which Malaysians should applaud.
    If there are people in the establishment who feel threatened by his remarks or think they are political in nature, they should take a good look at themselves.

    “Siapa makan cili, rasalah pedas”

  45. Teropong says:

    Overheard on a cross-wire or leaking transmit tower: “Gunny, Harp here lah. Hey, dinner on me at ……Steakhouse. At seven. You remember of course. Good. Gosteen will be there also, you know lah. Hey that picture in the press you and Na… whispering to each other in the corner at KK function. Nasib baik no one had direction mike”.

  46. SusilaDeeTarTor says:

    Reference to Teropong, overhearing cross-line.

    For sure the mike would’ve picked-up “MAKE IT THREE and THREE only”.

  47. aja49 says:

    Meng Yee said

    Ghani Patail would do well to remember how his predecessor, the former AG died. There is a God and He hates injustice.


    Very true indeed Meng Yee but unfortunately this type of people don’t think about the hereafter like what all Muslims should be doing.

  48. 2legit says:

    From Rocky’s Bru:

    Revoke KJ’s Visa” call

    American reader spanks PM’s son-in-law. A regular reader who lives in the US sent me a letter the other day after reading of Khairy Jamaluddin’s accusation that Anwar Ibrahim was puppet of the US and the Jews.
    I am reproducing an excerpt of the letter (also sent to Malaysiakini) below, in which the writer calls on the US Embassy in Kuala Lumpur to revoke KJ’s US Visa.

    Dear Sir,

    I call on the US consulate in Kuala Lumpur to revoke Khairy Jamaluddin’s visa, unless of course he is carrying a diplomatic passport, which he shouldn’t be.
    His recent statement that Anwar Ibrahim is a proxy for the Jews and Americans is a blatant racist remark and uncalled for.
    If Khairy strongly feels that towards Americans, then he should not be vacationing in the US and buying iPhones, which he recently bragged about in a newspaper article.

    Srikanth Siva
    Chicago, IL USA.

  49. Feudalist says:


    Raja Nazrin has not overstepped his constitutional role as provided for under the state constitution.
    The royals in colonial Malaya represented the modernizing elite as the British tried to replicate a system of government they had back home. They were the modernizing force behind the country’s modernization (and westernization) in the early and post-war years; the country’s first three Prime Ministers were drawn from the royal houses of the three Malay states (though their deputies were not). They were beneficiaries of an elitist form of education starting from the Malay College in Kuala Kangsar (referred to as the ‘The Eaton of the East’ then – and later in Cambridge and Oxford universities, in some cases after Harrow and Eaton. But sadly because of the acts committed by a few individuals among them in the 70s, they have come to be remembered for their ‘excesses’. Their immunity from criminal prosecution has had to be removed.

    For years now the country’s constitutional monarchy has gone down the slippery slopes. They have dropped the baton so to speak. It is refreshing, therefore, to see someone like Raja Nazrin, himself the beneficiary of an elitist western education (whose father was head of the country’s judiciary at one time and who as the Agong in the 80s was once asked by a Hollywood movie star what he thought about abdication) picks up the baton to carry on the race and role as provided for them under both the Federal and State Constitutions.

    Having said that, Raja Nazrin should be mindful of the constitutional constraints placed on his role as the successor to the Royal throne of Perak (or is he?). When the government appears to have lost its direction and politicians become self-serving and self indulgent, divorced from their grassroots and in disarray, it is time that someone like him speaks up on issues like good governance, transparency and accountability and the doctrine of separation of powers. But even he is not flawless in his approach as he begins his journey to lead the monarchy back to where it should be. In the journey which he has chartered for himself, he should keep to the straight and narrow i.e. stay above the fray and above partisan politics. His reference in his speeches to controversial UMNO politicians like Tun Dr. Ismail is unfortunate as it is fodder to those who are anti-royalists and who want to see the royals back to where they belong i.e. in their istanas.

    Now with the Malay Rulers withholding their consent to the government nomination for the post of CJ, I can see a struggle coming between royalists and strict constitutionalists. Let’s hope only good will emerge out of it as we the common people and their loyal subjects search for that underlying social contract that gave rise to the Federal Constitution of 1957.

  50. Suara says:

    feudalist, your short but in-depth analysis is an eye-opener for those unacquainted with the country’s history. thanks.

  51. “ASP Zulkarnain Samsudin denied suggestions by Sirul Azhar’s lawyer, Kamarul Hisham Kamaruddin, that the amendments were done to “beautify” the reports.” STAR

    To ‘beautify’ reports?? The police engaged in the beautification business? I hope the police is not considering entering the landscaping business.

  52. former IGP says:

    “I did not check the details. I just signed the space where my signature was required,” he said.” STAR

    I would have demoted this officer to private.

  53. monsterball says:

    It is indeed refreshing good news to read few rulers are taking interest of the country affairs instead of the past usual non interferences characteristics.
    It now leaves to all of us to take note if the government of the day will take those remarks made by the rulers seriously and change accordingly.
    Yes rulers must take their inspirations from the Thai King….who have all his life love the country and the people and speak out whenever necessary……so much so after so many years…the king is most respected and listened by all…from PM to ordinary folks.
    The King have continuously worked hard for the people….so hope our various sultans with have projects to benefits their subjects of each state. That will make them more powerful…which should be so….in the first place.
    Regardless what the constitutions say…when things go wrongs in the country…made by the government….I do not believe the said government dare to say rulers are stepping out of line….like TDM said before.. There should be no boundaries when love and concern are should by the rulers to Malaysians.Their titles are heavenly made. Governments are elected….who has more rights for the people in the eyes of God.

  54. monsterball says:

    It will be interesting to see Rulers children..especially the one that will take over as next ruler….to keep themselves busy…away from the government..but form their own projects to be with the people from all walks of life…especially the very poor ones.
    So many projects…costing very little…but will bring them close to the people. Compete with the government on certain small projects…and usually the practical and non corrupted with no special treatments … will succeed. So many projects….the sons need to find ways and means to be active and close to the people year in year out.
    Then…only then…the power given by God to them will always be theirs…and elected government are indirectly working for the rulers. That should be the way.

  55. ghenjis khan says:

    The Queen used to “ask” his Prince Phillips to say a few words to the public …and what a gaffe !

    In any case, the nomination of the Judges should be the sole repsonsibility of the Judges Council of sorts …..

    this Judges Council or Judiciary Council should have been instituted to comprise ex-Judges of the High Courts, Appeal Judges and federal Judges and ex-Lord Presidents, law Professors and one or two philosophers ….. if we have any in this country ….

    the PM “submits” this to the Majlis Raja2 ….

    if fact, the Majlis Raja2 shoudl take advice NOT from the Prime Minister on matters of Judicial, as they PM and Ministers may have to appear before the Judges when a citizen complains of abuse of power by the Executive …

    England and Scotland implemented quite nicely as they are “civlised peoples” ….they come from noble families and highly educated in their own ways …

    here we have NO CLASS …… we are just people appearing to look “civilised” by wearing the clothes of the Westerners … and driving and eating with fork and spoons …..

    charming ,indeed !

  56. You got it wrong there, genghis khan.

    We eat with fork and knives. Spoons are only used for soup.

  57. Remember a certain sultan, an alcoholic who carried a pistol when he went on his binge. At other times he chased pirates on his speedboats which were faster than those of Customs! Then there is the other who gambled away huge sums of money in a London casino, married an ex-bunny girl; and yet another, who liked to run off overseas refusing to sign bills Parliament passed, who took on a DPM at the national mosque and conspired with Mahathir to oust the Lord President, and who misused his golf clubs dispatching his caddies to meet their Maker?? This is not to mention the son who is feared by his subjects within his state, who would like to gatecrash parties – just to mention a few of his idiosyncrasies.

  58. hantutelur says:

    Hello! RED ALERT! Nick-jacker here using monsterball’s nick. Monty, please come back and check this out!

  59. hantutelur says:

    I think it’s someone who “type my comment. No, it is actually 15 minutes and I am typing OFFLINE. I normally post my comment after I am sure what I type is what I want to say.” Gotcha, Bamboo River!

  60. Organ Donor says:

    hello teluq,

    obviously, it is not just the women who fake their orgasms. men like this bamboo do too.

  61. hutchrun says:

    Keystone cops:

    Asked how a police report lodged by him on the discovery of a jacket and jewellery contained the wrong apartment number, he said he took back a pile of envelopes to his office and he relied on the information on them when he lodged a report on Nov 7.

    He realised his mistake when he handed over the jewellery and jacket to an investigating officer.

    He called the information technology department of Bukit Aman a few times to try and correct the mistake but the line was busy. There were only three lines for the whole of Malaysia to call the department.

    He said he could only correct his mistake in December.

    “Apart from this, I was involved in other cases,” he said, adding that he had also forgotten about it.

    Questions over the differing addresses were first raised on Friday, when the court and the prosecution had a version of a police report that was different from that of Sirul Azhar’s defence counsel.

    The prosecution had Sirul Azhar’s apartment number as 5-3-7 while the defence had the number as 5-2-4.

    To another question, Zulkarnain said the photographs taken at the apartment were spontaneous ones.

    He said he did not ask Sirul Azhar to hold the jacket or show the jewellery like it appeared in the police photograph.

  62. ghenjis khan says:

    English Gentleman,

    I certainly, m not ! we are talking about Malaysians using forks and spoons to eat lah ….

    the babrbarians have not quite used to put aside their knives, they bring them to the tables and cut their half cooked animals ….

    cheers mate !

    [btw, did you know who introduced , fork and spoons to the barbarians, the good Turkish Army when they around in Vienna … not to forget the coffee and musical notes .. lucky they were not the desert kind ]

  63. monsterball says:

    hantutelur….Why are you so concern about people copying me?
    You are trying to confuse others with your remarks…far too many times.
    Go to Free Speech Zone if you wish to talk nonsense.

  64. hutchrun says:

    … not to forget the coffee and musical notes ..
    Opium too.

  65. hutchrun says:

    btw, did you know who introduced , fork and spoons to the barbarians, the good Turkish Army when they around in Vienna …
    Actually the Turkish Army was not IN vienna but had surrounded vienna, where they were defeated by Jan Sobieski. As the turks fled, they left the goodies behind.

  66. wits0 says:

    “The good Turkish Army”

    “…The massacre of the Armenian population by Turkish army troops in the Ottoman empire. At least one million Armenians were killed in this attempted genocide…”

    I think TE Lawrence(Lawrence of Arabia) in his “Seven Pillars of Wisdom”, also mentioned some of the atrocities commited by the retreating Turkish army.

    Today the whole nation only knows how to totally denied history…so they aren’t so different from the desert dwellers.

  67. but ghenjis-khan, you must remember that the ‘red devils’ (nothing to do with a baseball team or the ‘red baron’) copied the chinese in their use of the chopsticks. i feel the use of forks and knives were chinese inspired.

    don’t know who started using forks with spoons. it is certainly not a european ‘invention’ . Europeans who never traveled anywhere could not understand why we use forks with spoons when they use forks with knives.

  68. The Wise One says:

    Actually, Genghis and Kublai, it was Confucius who lived circa 500 BC who advocated the use of the chopsticks rather than instruments of slaughter like the knife. He felt it was uncivilized to bring instruments of slaughter to the dining table. Hence you find Chinese food cut into small pieces ready to eat.

  69. THE OBSERVER says:

    Well hutchrun, we have lost the blog’s legal analyst who was serving his internship here, for the altantuya trial. Run out of here by that Witso guy who for some reason or reasons best known only to him, chose to provoke this Raja or Rajah or whatever his handle was, with his personal insults and finally ended with Witso hurling obscenities like “dog” and “worse than dog”, “vile nut” and “scumbag” and more.

    Obscenities, like another commentator said, “for the world to see and read”.

  70. zerorun says:

    does anybody know if muslim witnesses in court take their oath by swearing with the palm of their right hand on the koran??

    this should put the fear of God in the minds of our police officers before they say anything.

  71. wits0 says:

    If THE OBSERVER has to observe while standing on his head, it becomes understandable why he does not ask why the Blog owner chose to ban the great “Raja” and not the wits0 one.

  72. Temujin says:

    You see, Genghis Khan, you got it wrong. The ‘barbarians’ traded opium for their copyrights to the Chinese chopsticks!

    Being able to use chopsticks in the West is regarded as ‘cool’.

  73. What is the role of the Conference of Rulers?? Anybody?

  74. Frank says:

    Are you saying, Wit-so that you did NOT say those words? That’s what he and many others here want to know.

  75. Frank says:

    ‘write’ is more appropriate than ‘say’ because we can read them.

  76. hutchrun says:

    btw, did you know who introduced , fork and spoons to the barbarians, the good Turkish Army when they around in Vienna …
    kinda curious on that one.Turks usually used to eat with their hands. Also practically all over MidEast and South Asia. So how did these turks go around with forks and spoons. Ladles to scoop the goop from the cooking pots, maybe. But forks n spoons I doubt.
    They also did introduce Vlad to impalement, (later known as Dracula) and that`s another story.

  77. Hutchrun,

    Middle Easterns not only eat with their hands, the men also hold hands when they walk. Prime Minister Maliki and President Ahmadinijad were yesterday seen holding hands as they walked.

    Fancy seeing Mahathir walking hand in hand with Abdullah Badawi! Don’t laugh! I remember when we were in school, we boys used to hold hands and walk two by two.

    Now to see Mahathir walking hand in hand with Badawi would be to the amusement of the gay community.

  78. monsterball says:

    Election is near. All UMNO Kingpins must be united.That is so ….not for the country…..but for their selfish personal gains and pleasing half past sixes to keep voting for them.
    Don’t be surprise M bin M will kiss the hands of Mahathir…and Najib…all four will have a photo taken…then all done…election date will be announced and get it over with…..before everyone knows how back the economy will become and BN will loose more votes.

  79. hutchrun says:

    Now to see Mahathir walking hand in hand with Badawi would be to the amusement of the gay community
    They should start kissing each other (n Najib as well) n make sure all UMNO does it too, like their hero:

  80. wits0 says:

    “the good Turkish Army ”
    Surely must’ve been said with the tongue in cheek. Turkey can’t even come to terms with its Armenian Massacre past but totally denied that.

  81. hutchrun says:

    Surely must’ve been said with the tongue in cheek.
    Spoon in mouth?
    The `good turkish army` is also responsible for the mess in Iraq when they proved their religous treachery (2003) in disallowing turkey to be used for the Iraq effort – after having agreed to it first.
    So, the US which had its effort in place in the Mediterranean had to go all the way around Africa to get into Iraq.
    Turks have a long history of treachery.

  82. hutchrun says:

    The US should support the kurds in repayment for turkish treachery.

  83. wits0 says:

    Much of the problems of the Turks with the Kurds lay with the meanness of the Turkish attitude itself. It’s a good thing that Europe today isn’t that particularly keen for Turkey to join the EU.

  84. hutchrun says:

    Decadence runs deep:

    “Auntie, I am sorry, I made a wrong choice! This is not what I was expecting. They want me to sign a contract for eight years. I don’t want to sign it! I want to get out of here! I want to go back to the Philippines! Please help me!”
    My wife asked, “Where are you?”
    “I’m in Malaysia.”

    Then a woman took over the phone and said, “We need $1,195 in U.S. dollars in order for us to send her home. I will text you a message where to send it.” Then the call ended.

    My wife looked at me and said, “Go find my niece. Just go to Malaysia and find her.”

  85. hutchrun says:


    I am not blaming TNB for the tragedy. Nobody should blame the TNB for the deaths. But you get the feeling of great injustice all the same. Kasmuri was not a rich man. I can only hope that TNB would care for Kasmuri’s other kids and find the heart to be more caring in future. A more understanding TNB may save lives.

  86. wits0 says:

    So much cock and bull incantation about national image and little about tackling the evil of what’s going on everyday – with much complicity from the Bolehland MSM themselves.

    Remember BBC’s Who Runs Your World? series, Jonathan Kent in Kuala Lumpur looks at how Malaysia’s notorious triad gangs are run?

    “So who runs your world?” I asked – to which he gave a simple reply : “The government”.

    Which means all presumably respectable(by appearance) professionals are not exempted.

  87. Danil says:

    All these cock n bull west msian politicians with their pretentious groovy political charming arrogant selves come here to sabah for the sole purpose of condeming sabahans,delivering speeches saying how lucky we are that they are providing us with security n wealth and at the same token criticising sabahans saying we are lagging behind bcos we are less educated n the inability to speak english,hei m… f…ers we sabahans speak better english then you idiots and stop using security as a bargaining tool

  88. Danil says:

    The wealth of the nation is drained from these two bornean states,that is the reason why the gov could afford the twin towers so shut up n quit bragging abt giving us wealth n prosperity when its rightfully ours,but instead be thankful that the people of these two borneo states are a generous lot… Comprende… U unterstan der spoken da inggeris…,good put this in your thick skulls

  89. hutchrun says:

    Who says our authorities are not carrying out their duties?

  90. wits0 says:

    All those indicted at Nuremberg also claimed they were doing their duty!

  91. bolehbug says:

    just curious about commenters on your blog.
    happened to run the pointer over some of the nicknames/handles or whatever, and noted that quite a few will lead me to malaysiakini; e.g. LINDA, MAN FRIDAY, DAZZLED, LUCY LIU, 50SEN etc. Some like HUTCHRUN =deleted. And over my own nick = nothing.
    So what is this all about??

  92. hutchrun says:

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  93. pope says:

    i proposed raja nazrin to become the prime minister of malaysia. can it be done?
    who second this proposal?

  94. Omigosh says:

    As Marina Mahathir mention in her column, we cant simply pick anyone to be the PM of Malaysia, unfortunately.

  95. Danil says:

    I am uncertain weather i am picking the right column (blog)or what ever to jot down my comment but hei this is bolehland so it is ok then i presumed.I would like to recap the publicity stunt ,pak lah performed on tv by asking and quoting samy velu that the recent bus tragedy was not due to bad roads ‘ the roads are world class’ he said.Ya true the roads in semenanjung are surely world class but what abt roads in sabah,even in the middled of townships there are potholes holes,most roads that

  96. Danil says:

    Most roads in sabah are either sand or gravel roads .Why be so proud and snobish for having top class roads in the penisular when in sabah the roads are bad,the govt are taking 95percent of sabahs oil and constructing world class roads in mentakab n jelebu etc…,but what abt districs in sabah,this is really day light robbery. Mayb mothball care to comment

  97. mongol black magician says:

    to all the fellas handling the altantuya case, do you job as rightfully as possible and give her a fairest justice or i will put a curse on all of u. i make sure that centipedes will eat its way out from yr body!

  98. hutchrun says:

    If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen – that is the message from an ex-judge to his former colleagues who worry they will rule against their conscience in controversial religious cases.

  99. wits0 says:

    Hutchrun, it would appear that ‘conscience’ has receded very far away from the Bolehland psyche progressively for a very long time. Good deeds, of the everyday sort, may not even get recognised.

    If you find a pstol under a flower bush in a park while jogging, it may not be in your own best interest to report it. The reasons are self-evident.

    Danil, there’s no doubt that East Malaysia has been badly neglected.

    The roads may be better in Pen. Malaysia but take for example the horrific accident recently at Bk. Gantang. I used to travel a lot in the old road (even before the highway was built)in the stretch downhill and uphill where it later runs parallel and almost touching the highway at a certain stretch – is a particularly hazardous stretch. It easily gets disorientating for drivers at dusk and at night because of the oncoming glaring vehicular traffic from the other road(Highway). You could mistake the oncoming traffic lights from the ascending highway as that from your own oncoming vehicles on your on road on a dark wet night as you head south towards Kuala Kangsar. Using the Highway, the effect is less but still exists.

    Wha kind of idiots planned the Highway to make worse the already well known deadly stretch for the old road at Bk. Gantang?

    With all the ongoing post mortem being done by all the journos, none seem to have realized this contributing factor ; or is it that they all are covering up for the System? Yet bloggers(and commentators) are denigrated by someone because that person says they operate from their bedrooms. It appears that MSM journos are even worse in terms of awareness.

  100. kittykat46 says:

    Hi Wits0, I actually know a person who was involved in planning the alignment of that stretch of the highway. The reason is called “cost saving”.
    There is a narrow pass through the Kledang Range at that point, which the old road was already using. To use another route would have involved a really serious amount of rock blasting and slope cutting. The Ipoh- Taiping part of the highway was already stretching the budget to its limit. So you end up with what we have right now – one of the most dangerous stretches along the North-South Highway between KL and Penang.

    But it still didn’t have to end so tragically –

    How did a driver with such a long track of offenses get allowed to continue driving, and a bus with such a poor maintenance record was allowed to remain on the road. I used to think incidents like that only happened in India or Bangladesh.

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