Altantuya appeared in my dream last night. I could not recognise where I was, but she said, in her clear but weary voice:

“This is where I died (image on the left). In a jungle clearing in Puncak Alam in Shah Alam, Selangor, not very far away from the court house where you hear my name everyday. The men, who I believed bundled me away on the night that I died, now show you the way, to the place where I was so brutally attacked, blasted away, into a thousand pieces”.

“But what is the point of returning to this place, which holds nothing specific but memories of me, memories, no one can relate, for it was too cruel, too inhuman, too brutal, beyond imagination”

“Now judges, prosecutors, defense lawyers, reporters and drivers have come to visit me, in a place where they can no longer find my body. But what is the point of all these, when they have yet to find my murderers?”.

I awoke, startled, but understood the meaning behind the dream when I read the news today.

(Photo from Malaysiakini).

Read rest of the story inside:

The judge hearing the Altantuya murder trial today visited the crime scene – a jungle clearing in Puncak Alam in Shah Alam, Selangor – this afternoon.

Prosecutors, defence lawyers and the three accused joined justice Mohd Zaki Md Yassin (photo) at the scene in what was a departure from the usual court room proceedings. Also present was a posse of reporters and television crew.

A steep and bumpy dirt track, barely wide enough for a vehicle, led to the forest clearing where prosecutors allege Altantuya was murdered by corporal Sirul Azhar Umar, 36, and fellow officer chief inspector Azilah Hadri, 31.

The clearing was about five minutes away from the main road, Jalan Puncak Alam in Shah Alam. A rainy weather coupled with a slippery and muddy surface welcomed the visitors.

Under heavy security and a flurry of umbrellas, the judge, members of the prosecution team, and defense counsel were led to a police-cordoned area near the clearing.

The visitors spend some 10 minutes there with the prosecutors briefing the judge and defence lawyers on various matters pertaining to the case.

The area was buzzing with reporters and photographers scrambling to listen to the prosecution and capture a rare photo of the judge outside the courtroom.

A short detour

Ram Karpal Singh, who is holding a watching brief for Altantuya’s family, said that “the DPP pointed out the area of the blast and shooting, but didn’t show us anything specific”.

Counsel for Azilah, Kuldeep Kumar, concurred. Kuldeep told reporters later that “(Deputy Public Prosecutor) Noorin gave us a short briefing on the area”.

“She said that this was where Altantuya’s body was found and that this was the blast site. She said that once the bomb experts give evidence, it will be clearer,” he added.

Azilah (photo) and Sirul were not brought out of the police cars during the briefing.

Political analyst Abdul Razak Baginda, 47, who is charged with abetting to commit the crime was also present. He too was not brought out of the police vehicle.

Before arriving at the scene, the judge’s entourage was first led to the “wrong crime scene” that ASP Tonny Lunggan had taken the forensics team to in the course of the investigation.

Lawyer Hasnal Rezua, for Sirul, told reporters that they merely passed by the ‘wrong’ area and did not get out of their cars.

Prayer items

Yesterday, Supt Zainol Samah, head of the Special Investigations Unit, testified that Sirul and Azilah had led a police party to Puncak Alam in the evening of Nov 6 last year. Altantuya’s remains were found in the forest the next day.

The crime scene could only be reached using 4-wheel-drive vehicles due to rough and steep terrain.

The torrent weather also made conditions more difficult for vehicles to climb the steep terrain. The Subang dam is also located nearby.

At the “blast and shooting site”, the visitors also found a blue scarf, a small crucifix, and some joss sticks.

These had been left behind by Altantuya’s family who had offered prayers during their visit to the site last November.

68 responses »

  1. PCK says:

    AIYA…NO BIG DEAL LARR

  2. Rajah says:

    With so many issues, conspiracy issue included, while it may not help much in determining the conspiracy to murder involving Razak, the trip does help throw light on some of the issues how marginal they may now appear.

    We have no idea what the defense strategy is likely to be. Have their defense been called? Anybody?

    The visit would serve to narrow their defense – whatever that may be. So the visit is not a waste of time.

    The victim would be pleased to know that there are people who would take time off and get a sense of what must have happened to her – the least they can do. After all her only crime so far is knowing Razak, a well-heeled individual with lots of money to throw and influence which reaches the very apex of his government; in acting out her role as a woman scorned she could have gone off the edge by harassing him and his family and entered the world of blackmail.

    It is this world that Malaysians would like to have a glimpse of, and know more about the facts because it could bring down the one individual most identified with the excesses of the national coalition running the government

  3. khgdhe says:

    Her English language proficiency has greatly improved since her ill-fated departure! How?

  4. ACP Mastor says:

    The confession though ruled inadmissible does not prevent the fact that Azilah and Sirul led us to the scene of the crime, from being being evidence.

    EVIDENCE Act:

    “S.27. When any fact is deposed to as discovered in consequence of information received from a person accused of any offence in the custody of a police officer, so much of such information, whether such information amounts to a confession or not, as relates distinctly to the fact thereby discovered may be proved. “

  5. ACP Mastor says:

    How did they know where the body was or what was left of it?

  6. ACP Mastor says:

    As to the confession by Sirul being declared inadmissible for being involuntary, what do you expect me to do, your Honour?

    Do I have to take him to a candle light dinner before it could be declared admissible. Although I was his very superior officer, it wasn’t my thunderous voice that made him confess.

    He confessed like they always do – out of remorse.

  7. garfield says:

    Just wondering….
    Could someone confirm that Altantuya was a professional interpreter? Something like credentials, working experience or resume?

  8. Razak says:

    C’mon! I bumped into her at the ‘eetan mooi’ stall somewhere in Hong Kong. The rest is history. What do you expect? It is what you refer to as ‘occupational hazard’. My wife understands especially when it is written in green.

  9. Razak says:

    She spoke excellent English to Susan in her sleep! What credentials are you looking for??

  10. sturgo says:

    Interesting blog! The nature of information is, that it wants to be free. The truth cannot be suppressed forever. That is why it is the truth. It simply IS.

    http://goldfusion.wordpress.com/

  11. Berlin says:

    My question:
    Why did they go to the crime scene? What is left there for them to see? Hoping that her spirit will appear and make a “recognition” on who killed her? Why didn’t they bring a bomoh to feel the “frequency” and conclude how she died and who killed her? *I thought that many of them would believe in that*

    I’m getting a little bored of the wayang and sandiwara already. There is no end to this.

    My opinion is that Razak will probably walk a free man and the other two will go to jail (but then be released on parole or something)

  12. Hammerhead says:

    Wah Susan, are you turning into a medium now? All of this now looking like an Agatha Christie novel..la.

  13. Rajah says:

    “Why did they go to the crime scene?”

    Normally the presiding judge together with the jurors and the others visit the crime scene to get a feel of it. For example, being on the scene of a motor accident may help the jurors understand what the drivers of both vehicles must have thought at the time of the accident when it is not possible otherwise – if that is an issue.

    In this case it is hard to fathom the thought processes of this judge. There is after all no jury.

    Both accused led the police to the scene of the crime. Maybe the manner of death and timing of the disposal of the body is crucial in understanding some of the issues.

    Or maybe the judge needed time out?? He has not gone anywhere for a long time.

  14. akunyer says:

    We need detective CONAN to solve this case better……sigh……

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Closed

  15. ghenjis khan says:

    very poignant !

  16. luclai says:

    no, we need hercule poirot to solve the case! (since someone mentioned agatha christie, reminds me of my fav detective, the moustache belgian little guy).

    i have the same thought as berlin, wondering why they wanted to visit the crime scene. what good would it do? except maybe as rajah pointed out, the judge (and lawyers) need some fresh air to jalan-jalan, be out of the courthouse.

  17. reader says:

    “She said that this was where Altantuya’s body was found and that this was the blast site. She said that once the bomb experts give evidence, it will be clearer,” he added.

    Was it her body or pieces of her remains? If the bomb had torn her into pieces beyond recognition, how’d they (the police) know she was shot in the head? The police officers confessed they shot her, right? If no, they must have found the bullets (probably her head still in one piece when she was discovered?)… and a trace of the bullets’ owner will reveal something, wouldn’t it? If the bullets is yet to be found, why the hell are the judge allowing visitors to mess around with the crime site? Sounds like a educational tour rather than a serious investigation.

  18. observer says:

    Berlin: “Why did they go to the crime scene? What is left there for them to see?”
    Perhaps to pay their respect and appease her spirit.
    Her appearance in a dream to Susan shows she is active. When she was about to be murdered her fear, panic, anger and other emotions blasts out from her body until she really got killed which releases vast energy around that area she died at. She will always be there in Puchak Alam. Her spirit (ghost) formed from the blasted energy remains. Now, a psychic or a person who can feel energy (NOT those Court people) would be able to sometimes see the event happening again. Check it out as explained in:
    http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-pics-video-day-21-trial-altantuya.html

  19. Altantuya says:

    I no appeared in Susan dreams. That no true.

  20. Libra says:

    Rajah and Berlin,
    To answer your questions.
    1This the prosecution case and its close the judge will decided if the defence is to be called. He can acquit all three or call for their defence.
    I think all three will be asked to defend themselves.
    2. Under 302 of the PC, the accused can be either sentenced to death by hanging or set free. There is no live imprisonment unless the Prosecution decides to reduce the charge to 304 of the PC, which is culpable homicide.
    I think this is a well planned and premeditated murder and it is unthinkable the charge will be reduced.
    3. It is not unusual courts to visit a murder site. Accused leading the investigation team to the murder site is also not uncommon. There is no way the IO could have know the site had not the accused ‘confessed’ and showed the way.
    The visit adds weight to the ‘confession’ and gives credence to the prosecution case.
    In a murder trail there must be a continuous linkage of evidence and this visit is one of those links.
    The trial will be more interesting when the defence is called as each accused will point his finger at the other.
    TO ACQUIT THE THREE ACCUSED AT THE CLOSE OF THE PROSECUTION CASE WOULD BE A MISTRIAL!!
    Evidence is apleanty even at this stage.

  21. Libra says:

    Correction:
    1. This is the prosecution’s case and at its close the judge …….

    3. It is not unusual for court to ….

  22. ironclaw says:

    The outcome of this case is at the mercy of Najib. This is all a drama and najib as the ‘tukang karut’. Even the judge himself cant be trusted. If Najib wants white to be black then it will be black. The one who can say othwerwise will only be Pak Lah as he is the Bos of Najib. But Najib cant run from the fact that his image is tainted and the post of PM is slipping fast from his hand. Is not coincidence that all these happen on the verge of the 50 Years Independece Day celebration, and after that the election period. Hope the Malaysians realise that the celebration is only a propaganda by the government.

  23. Rajah says:

    Libra: “TO ACQUIT THE THREE ACCUSED AT THE CLOSE OF THE PROSECUTION CASE WOULD BE A MISTRIAL!!”

    No it is not.

    What happens at this stage of the trial is that all the prosecution needs to do is to prove a prima facie case against the accused. Prima facie evidence is defined as evidence veracity of which is such that if unrebutted would point to the guilt of the accused. The onus is on the prosecution to prove its case through the use of such prima facie evidence – reserving the rest of the evidence for the later part of the trial so as not to reveal too much to the defense.

    If the defense thinks at the close of the prosecution, that the prosecution has not discharged their duties, done their job of proving through the use of prima facie evidence that the defense has a case to answer, all they need do is to stand up and say, “No case to answer, my lord” and if the judge agrees the accused walks free.

    Can the prosecution bring up another team and try the case again? No, because of the rule against double jeopardy. You cannot have two bites at the apple.

    No mistrial here.

  24. stenson says:

    Why susan dont dream of me?I am sure I could make nice fish and chips for her.

  25. Libra says:

    Rajah,
    What I meant was that I would consider it a mistrial because even at this stage there is a preponderance of evidence against the 3 accused.
    In other words, an honest judge would not and should not acquit them at the close of the prosecution’s case.
    In all murder cases in their submissions, the prosecution will impress upon the judge that they have proved the case and the defence will disagree and request for an acquittal.
    It is the judge who will decide.

  26. kittykat46 says:

    As a teenager, I was fascinated with magic shows, and I actually learned to perform some basic conjuring tricks.
    Magic tricks can get very complex and elaborate but there are some common threads
    – The real action is well hidden from the audience.
    – The magician is all the time saying and doing something quite irrelevant to the real action, partly to entertain and to divert the audience attention.

    This trial has all the look and feel of a magic show.

    Who’s the master magician ?

  27. khgdhe says:

    Don’t tell me no one fired the shots or detonated the C4?! Why are these 3 monkeys denying their evil deeds in court? Own up and receive the punishment like men, you ball-less bastards! At least Adolf Hitler took responsibility for his crimes by shooting himself in the head.

  28. robin says:

    Susan, your dream was very clearly recollected in elaborate sentences. Are you saying it’s more than just you dreaming about her? like maybe her spirit? Did the criminals think they could get away with that? I hope the judge will stand for justice and let everyone know that this is not something to get away with…

  29. 2legit2quit says:

    Susan, this is my poignant dream titled:

    DPPs : THIS IS WHERE I LIED

  30. notsosmart says:

    khgdhe. Are you trying to teach them about integrity. Sorry man..not in the country Dictionary,
    maybe never heard of it….or mmm..think they don’t damn about it.
    Like an idiot asking “What is thattttttt??”

  31. ghenjis khan says:

    monsieur and madame, luclai and akunyer,

    may I recommend Inspector Clouseau of the French Surete …..

    viva le francais

  32. ghenjis khan says:

    2legit2quit,

    nowadays, we use the digital balance, so we can fiddle with it but with the eyes open ..lah.

    your balance has the garcious lady blind folded !

  33. monsterball says:

    Susan dreaming Altantuya TALKING TO HER?
    Bad omen Susan. When one dream of a dead person talking to her…..means Altantuya INSISTS Susan is the doing a fine job with her ever excellent follow ups…till the end of the case.
    Right now…..it appears heading nowhere…..with no clear directions…who…why…what….are the motives.

  34. wits0 says:

    Ghengis, starting with the use of the mechanical balance symbol as a front, the total murder of semantics proceded smoothly. It is now complete.

    Susan is entiled to write non literally. She never said it like as if it was a a literal fact.

  35. Rajah says:

    ”What I meant was that I would consider it a mistrial because even at this stage there is a preponderance of evidence against the 3 accused. In other words, an honest judge would not and should not acquit them at the close of the prosecution’s case.” Libra

    Preponderance of the evidence? I am not sure what you mean.

    At this stage of the trial there is the minimum of credible evidence. Put it that way. However, it is not just any amount of credible evidence but enough to make the charges stick. We call that prima facie evidence and the standard of proof at this stage is high but not as high as the standard of proof of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’. It has been argued that the standard at this stage of the trial is the same as the standard of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’. The standard of proof in civil trials is lower than the standard used in criminal trials and is expressed as being ‘on the balance of probabilities’ or ‘on the preponderance of the evidence’.

    A mistrial is a technical term, We won’t go into that now but wait until defense moves a motion for mistrial. It may happen and if this judge allows the motion, we are going to see some fireworks!

    ”In all murder cases in their submissions, the prosecution will impress upon the judge that they have proved the case and the defense will disagree and request for an acquittal.
    It is the judge who will decide.”

    In civil cases, it is your duty as plaintiff to prove your assertions. In other words the legal burden is on the plaintiff to prove his or her case. If the plaintiff fails, he or she loses his or her case. The standard of proof is the civil standard i.e. ‘on the preponderance of the evidence’ as you mention.

    In criminal trials counsel for the government (since it is the government which prosecutes) or the prosecution bears the legal burden of proof. The legal burden of proof does not shift though the evidential burden does – like a football throughout the course of the trial. Kapish so far?

    At the opening stage of the trial, the prosecution will have to show that the defense has a case to answer. If prosecution fails then the accused walks free without the case ever going to the jury (in the case of jury trials) – and without the accused ever taking the witness stand (should he chooses to do so).

    Allow me to speculate in the case of Razak Baginda as the third accused in this trial. So far there isn’t enough evidence at this stage of the trial to connect him to the murder. Evidence so far only suggests that he employed detectives to keep the victim at bay and that the two detectives in his employ could have exceeded their instructions and went on to threaten the victim.

    Based on the information available to me which is limited to what is reported in the print media which is not much, my training tells me that there may be (but only just maybe) just enough evidence to force him to make his defense. But I have a gut feeling that he is going to walk free without his defense being called. But both are speculative. In other words I do not know!

  36. Rajah says:

    “In other words, an honest judge would not and should not acquit them at the close of the prosecution’s case.” Libra

    And, yes Libra, the judge does not need to be impressed – and it is not about honesty of the judge.

    He is the source of the law applicable to the case and only needs to apply the facts to the law as he sees to come out with a verdict.

    We can all make a guess what that verdict is likely to be since the judge is both the trier of the law and the facts!

    Time to bring back jury trials in murder cases.

  37. Rajah says:

    “Counsel Hazman Ahmad, representing Azilah, will submit this afternoon to support his applicaton for a trial-within-a-trial to determine the admissibility of Azilah’s confession on the murder site to the police.”

    The case against the duo is all about the admissibility of their confessions and the application of Sec. 27 of the Evidence Act regarding the ‘fruit of the poisonous tree.’

    The judge’s application of the law regarding ‘voluntariness’ with regard to Sirul suggests to me that after the voire dire, his lordship would arrive at the same conclusion. And when one considers that the evidence against Sirul weighs more heavily, it does not bode well for those among us who want to see justice done!

  38. Rajah says:

    We are also likely to see the judge giving his definition of ‘proof beyond reasonable doubt’ at the close off final submissions by both sides before he retires to write his judgment.

    Without their confessions, what is left is not direct evidence but circumstantial evidence. And guess what?? It is difficult to find anybody guilty based on circumstantial case alone! Yes, circumstantial evidence alone is sufficient to prove the guilt of the accused. But hey who says that when the accused is found not guilty that he is innocent?

  39. monsterball says:

    Rajah..You need not prove you know so much law ….when legal matters are spoken by one track minded person…..the laws will be twisted and turned upside down…which some Malaysians lawyers are most famous for. They are not interested in justice…but master the art to fool the public.
    So on the murder case….your points are noted…not necessary true.
    Personally…..I am quite fed up….as up to now…no clear cut who is the guilty person/persons…..and I am waiting for one real surprise….an undoctored photo of Najib…..yet never appear. Why??? Because there is none…although rumours again said the person possessing it dare not show it out. That excuse is infect saying there is no such real photo at all.

  40. prebet sapu says:

    ini semua kerja temberang utk lepaskan org2 yg didakwa lah! apakah releven nya tgk tempat mayat yg tidak ada, itu pun sesatbarat utk kesana.

    boleh tak teruskan dgn pendakwaan dan buktikan siapa pembunuh sebenar. cerita merapu macamni dah jelas menunjukkan ada orang yg sedang dilindung.

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  42. Rajah says:

    “yea kittykat….agrees with you. Rajah can try his best to convince the trial is fair and proper….but it will not hold water….as so far the trial is heading no where close to be a good clean criminal legal murder case. I smell too much political interferences from powerful people.” monsterball

    No, monsterball. I am not here to prove anything to you or to myself.

    I am here to support Susan’s blog.

    I agree with you and with most readers on this blog that there are the usual signs that the trial is being ‘interfered with’ and it does not appear that justice will be served.

    But still I am curious like everybody else to know how the trial proceeds and how the judge rules on procedures and evidence to arrive at his judgment – and whether there will be an appeal, and where it goes from there.

    If I bore you, I’m sorry.

  43. hantutelur says:

    dun mind monsterball, rajah, he’s always liddat one.

    circumstantial evidence in this case is overwhelming. the lady koperal testified that azilah and the other person, asuming sirul were the last persons seen with the victim. and azilah led the investigators to the murder scene. so he has the knowledge who killed the victim. he has to proof by alibi it was not him and he must point to the another person. only the other person may or may not be sirul. if it was sirul, now sirul has to bring his alibi. if azilah says it wasn’t sirul then azilah will be implicated, unless he brings to identity of “the other person”. the killer might have shot the victim elsewhere and tried to dispose the body at puncak alam. in this case azilah will be implicated even more. sirul was accused based only on azilah’s statement that brought about sirul’s confession. and that confession was already thrown by court. the person seen with azilah during the night of murder was never identified by witnesses as sirul. so charges on sirul will be dropped. azilah will have to defend.

    those are what detective conan told me

  44. Rajah says:

    Ok hantuteloq!

    I will put my robe aside and play detective – and a lousy one at that!

    Azilah shot her in the head and asked Sirul to do the dirty work of getting rid of the evidence. He reported to his boss whose identity as you know has been a constant subject of speculation even before the trial began, who apparently then instructed someone to delete all traces of her ever being in the country – and by that I mean immigration records. All this from reading on-line reports and I have no access to the local grapevine like you do.

    How’s that??

  45. I_wondered says:

    The Prosecution Team not doing its job right because they are part of the defense team.

    So far no evidence was provided to link the bullets and C4 to its source and the person who used it. This should have been a relatively straightforward investigation.

    Once they know who triggered the gun and cause the explosion – the rest should be straight forward. Alas, in Malaysia there’s just too much “wayang kulit” and the conclusion is already decided.

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  47. ghenjis khan says:

    will somebody ask this silly question to both the accused …

    what is your Order for that fateful day ?

    and who gave you the Order ?

    even the Honourable Judge has a duty rooster prepared by the Registrar’s office and dutifully goes to the respective Courts to hear cases.

    Sometimes, the Chief Justice of Malaya will ORDER him to listen to another case ….

    sometimes the Chief Justice of Malaysia ORDERs the Judge of the Court of Appeal not to be biased …

    it is all ORDERs and Orders ..who gave the order ?

  48. hantutelur says:

    looks like they are planting a motive on sirul. and that motive is robbery. lame.

  49. bngrtte says:

    Sirul and Azilah have no personal enemity with the Mongolian, so why should they kill her unless they were ordered to to do from a person who has authority over them. And 5 year-old kids who have yet to set foot in kindergarten know who that person is.

    The two UTK personnel would never blow apart their victim using C4 without authorisation from their commander, the Minister stated above. Just as German soldiers would not had massacred the 6 million European Jews without the direct order from their Fuehrer. Also, the 9-11 hijackers would not had rammed their planeloads of innocents into the twin towers without the express orders of their grand imam, Uncle Os the Terrible.

  50. hantutelur says:

    o, dear bngrtte, you still believe planes could bring down the gigantic towers like that. Those were demolition jobs and surely Uncle Os dun have access to plant the dynamites. Dun believe what you saw in CNN.

    Altantuya can be murdered for whatever stupid reason only God knows. Like now, I feel like killing you for that remark on ‘their grand imam’. Did he do anything bad to you? Did I? So be a nicer fler as now you dun sound any better that the person you assumed to be Terrible.

  51. hutchrun says:

    OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa’eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.

    Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview for a Pakistani newspaper

    In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that “history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml

  52. monsterball says:

    What’s up hutchrun?? That’s old history and Osama said he will kill the innocents…as USA government killed millions of their innocent kind…get the full facts right.

  53. Rajah says:

    This issue about soldiers being unable to act on their own has little relevance and I don’t understand how Malaysians following the trial are fixated on that!

    It is obvious to all that the two accused of murder have no personal reason to murder their victim for the simple reason that they didn’t know her. Who knew her?? Razak knew her of course and Najib very likely to have met her.

    Mastor’s testimony about the reaction of trained personnel under his command being robotic like in their response proves nothing – if anything it is to suggest that they were ‘incapable’ of doing anything unless they were instructed to do so.

    What’s new??

  54. Rajah says:

    “..’incapable of doing anything like what they were alleged to have done..”

  55. hantutelur says:

    these special service ppl when they carry out order which is out of the norm they most of the time go undercover or by hiding their identities (like wearing ski masks), but on the night of the murder azilah was not hiding his identity, niether was the other person in that 4wd. it only means the murder was not intentional or not planned.

  56. monsterball says:

    How to wear masks while raping a victim……especially by those who think they are all powerful.

  57. wits0 says:

    On the night Altantuya was arrested, there is good reason to assume that the three wanted it to appear as a legit arrest, replete with a female chaperon, Rohaniza.

    If so, why hasn’t Rohaniza state her chaperoning role clearly and explain why the victim was not afterwards chaperoned?

    It shows inconsistency all round and nothing to prove unintentional killing.

  58. garfield says:

    Razak,

    The question was raised as there was an issue on the authencity of the police report by Altantuya(earlier post dd 4/7/2007). Many questioned its authencity. Being a professional translator why was it written in such poor language. So just wanting to know where the idea of she being a professional translator came from? Just checking the facts .

  59. hantutelur says:

    can only mean either one of these two things: she never made that report, or she never was a professional translator.

  60. monsterball says:

    It does not mean what you concluded must be accpted by all….. hantutelur
    Bngrtte need not be correctd by you that way.
    You have spoken so much nonsense….especially at Free Speech Zone….and here you come correcting few….including me.
    Mind your attitude and character!!

  61. Valdes-Munoz II says:

    I have fallowed the Shariibuu Altantuya murder trial. I can not but notice that both the prosecution and the defence seems to be working together in covering up the truth with the intent of denying the victims and her family, justice. The court is more preoccupied with half truth and lies about the victim in order to drvalue the victim right to exist. The court have no interest in finding out the true reasons for the killing of the victim and why the goverment of the victim and why the goverment of Malaysia is so deeply involve with the planning, executing and cover up of the killing of Shariibuu Altantuya.
    It is crystal clear that there is a lot more to this then a situation an affair and letters and notes of empty threats for she could not do anything to him even if she wanted to, she had no power to do so.As for black mail she was only black mailing him for what he promest to her this was what he owed her.But he know she had other information that is what scared him so “she know to much” and what was it that she knew is what the court should be trying to find out.
    The court did not even try to look in to this reality. The judge is favoring the defendants against the victim and her family.This crime is not just a crime against Shariibuu Altantuya and her family, but a crime against all Mongolians, a crime against all Malaysians, acrime against all women of the world ,this is a crime against all of humanity!!!
    I world like to know how I can help fight for JUSTIS for Shariibuu Altantuya a fellow human being!!

    Susan,
    Please let me view the video!
    Thank you…

  62. Valdes-Munoz II says:

    I am sorry I propose to articulate…
    That the court have no interert in finding out the true reasons for the killing of the victim and why the goverment of Malaysia is so deeply involve with the planning, executing and cover up of the killing of Shariibuu Altantuya. I would like to know how I can help fight for JUSTICE for Shariibuu Altantuya a fellow human being!!!

  63. Valdes-Munoz II says:

    I am sorry I propose to articulate…
    Why the goverment of Malaysia , not
    “the goverment of the victim”
    JUSTICE

  64. Snowflake says:

    Hai berlin,
    I totally have the same opinion. They were hoping ms shariibu will appear and confessed that she actually committed suicicde. So no need to go through all this court proceedings and everyone is a free man.

  65. anoymous says:

    hey guys, i am from KL, u know we used to go to that site in puncak alam to pray for lucky numbers at midnight. thats why u see a lot of joss sticks. It is known to many supersticious people that it is a mass burial site for the mysterious death and those u dont want to be found.

    those guys who kena the 4D numbers will buy a porcelain urn collect some the the dirt and give them a decent burial some where. say says it is really huanted as you can see fireball flying in the air and white haze moving around.

    Poor Altantuya, hope yr spirit can find the way home to Mongolia. I, as a supersticious fella, curse those animals who did this to u!

  66. pembunuh altantuya ada kemungkinan datuk shafie apdal,penghasut.
    sebab keturunan mereka badjau yang asal-usulnya tiada agama.kalau pergi filipina mereka jadi kristian,(see badjau batanggas-wiki)
    kalau datang ke malaysia mereka jadi islam agar mudah untuk dapatkan kad pengenalan.mereka ikut-ikut sahaja mana yang dapat banyak sokongan di setiap tempat.
    apa dah jadi dengan orang semenanjung yang tidak dapat mengawal kerajaan malaysia tanpa pertolongan orang-orang badjau?
    badjau asal dari sabah,dan menteri perdagangan malaysia, yang naib presioden umno juga dan menteri seni dan budaya georgetown,adalah orang badjau.
    tahu tak betapa besar kuasanya menteri perdagangan?kamu pun boleh dijualnya.
    jadi,daripada kamu saling kutuk mengutuk sesama bangsa kamu semenanjung,lebih baik kamu usahakan negara kamu tanpa pertolongan orang-orang badjau yang asal dari sabah.
    datuk shafie dipercayai oleh umno kerana dia beli rakyat filipina dengan mykad yang membuat bn menang.padahal di semenanjung malaysia mereka dah kalah.sekarang,dia nak singkirkan najib razak untuk ambil kepercayaan orang bahawa dia lebih layak jadi P.M negara malaysia.
    jadi,lebih baik kamu usahakan negara kamu sendiri, sebab kalau orang sabah yang berkuasa, yang untung adalah orang-orang sabah,antara semua kuasa politik, menteri perdagangan malaysia yang paling kuat, sebab dia boleh susahkan siapa sahaja,silap-silap negara kamu pun diperjualkannya dan rakyat-rakyat semenanjung sekali.

  67. pembunuh altantuya ada kemungkinan datuk shafie apdal,penghasut.
    sebab keturunan mereka badjau yang asal-usulnya tiada agama.kalau pergi filipina mereka jadi kristian,(see badjau batanggas-wiki)
    kalau datang ke malaysia mereka jadi islam agar mudah untuk dapatkan kad pengenalan.mereka ikut-ikut sahaja mana yang dapat banyak sokongan di setiap tempat.
    apa dah jadi dengan orang semenanjung yang tidak dapat mengawal kerajaan malaysia tanpa pertolongan orang-orang badjau?
    badjau asal dari sabah,dan menteri perdagangan malaysia, yang naib presiden umno juga dan menteri seni dan budaya georgetown,adalah orang badjau.
    tahu tak betapa besar kuasanya menteri perdagangan?kamu pun boleh dijualnya.
    jadi,daripada kamu saling kutuk mengutuk sesama bangsa kamu semenanjung,lebih baik kamu usahakan negara kamu tanpa pertolongan orang-orang badjau yang asal dari sabah.
    datuk shafie dipercayai oleh umno kerana dia beli rakyat filipina dengan mykad yang membuat bn menang.padahal di semenanjung malaysia mereka dah kalah.sekarang,dia nak singkirkan najib razak untuk ambil kepercayaan orang bahawa dia lebih layak jadi P.M negara malaysia.ingat tak pangalay ialah tarian orang suluk?dan badjau invent tarian mereka sendiri mengikut gaya orang suluk yang mereka namakan igal-igal?mereka perebut.
    jadi,lebih baik kamu usahakan negara kamu sendiri, sebab kalau orang sabah yang berkuasa, yang untung adalah orang-orang sabah,antara semua kuasa politik, menteri perdagangan malaysia yang paling kuat, sebab dia boleh susahkan siapa sahaja,silap-silap negara kamu pun diperjualkannya dan rakyat-rakyat semenanjung sekali.

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