The latest controversy over the testimony of Prosecution’s star witness Lance Corporal Rohaniza Roslan in the Altantuya Shariibuu trial, where she was found to have made 5 contradictory statements – in her original statement and during the trial – has placed the integrity and credibility of the entire police force in question. It has also put her credibility at odds, which is why the Prosecution is planning to impeach her.

But the situation tells me only this: either Rohaniza is lying or was it Bukit Aman? To save Bukit Aman’s face, I think its only right that the honourable IGP explain these situations clearly to us:

Note: This is the same IGP, whose tenure has been extended by the Prime Minister, despite claims in the Internet and local newspapers to be allegedly involved in graft and linked to crime syndicate (Reuters).

Since the IGP still has his job, can he explain these terrible accusations against his department?

Pixs from RantingsbyMM.

1. Alleged threats against witness:

Rohaniza said: Before I gave (my first) statement, I was kept in a hotel for two days by (investigating officers DSP Gan (Tack Guan) and ASP (Tonny Lunggan) after my 14 day remand. They did not let me go back home or let me meet anybody. I was remanded at the Travers police station. I gave the police statement in question at the D9 (serious crime division). In D9, they threatened me that “Section 302 of the Penal Code (murder) may be used on you” and they did not write down what I said.

2. Alleged misconduct where police was said to have recorded what was not said in witness’ statement:

I don’t remember the conversation. The conversation on the way to Putrajaya happened so long ago. I don’t remember saying any of this in my statement to the police. what was supposed to be taken down.

“I was under tremendous pressure. I said something but something else was recorded” by investigators, she told to Mohd Zaki. They wrote things I never said,” said Rohaniza, who testified in her police uniform, with tears in her eyes. While I was remanded they tortured me,” she said, referring to threats that she would be investigated for murder”.

3. Alleged police pressure a.k.a harassment of witness

The police pressure, according to her during cross examination by Azilah’s counsel Hazman Ahmad, included being threatened, blackmailed, insulted, shouted at and being roughly handled. Questioning normally began at 8 or 9am and ended at 6 or 7 pm. There were many different D9 officers and personnel questioning me. They took statements from me everyday,” she told the court.

4. Undue influence

First accused Azilah’s defense lawyer Hazman asked if she was promised anything during questioning, Rohaniza said she was promised that Azilah – who was her boyfriend then – would be freed. Rohaniza said she was threatened with disciplinary action and termination. She was also forced to agree to various ‘facts’ put to her.

If her statements are true, the police force is seriously in trouble. Heck, it’s even time for the Prime Minister to wake up and say something!

Read Rohaniza’s contradictory statements inside.

From Malaysiakini:

5 areas where Rohaniza changed her story
Soon Li Tsin
Jul 3, 07 11:59am
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The prosecution today listed five contradictions in the testimony of their key witness lance corporal Rohaniza Roslan in the Altantuya murder trial.

Deputy public prosecutor Noorin Badaruddin told the court that the facts found in these five issues were different from what Rohaniza, 29 (right) told the police in her first witness statement.

The policewoman affirmed that she had made those statements and was asked by Judge Mohd Zaki Md Yasin to justify each contradiction.

1. Ex-boyfriend not in green Suzuki Vitara

Original statement: In her police statement, Rohaniza said her ex-boyfriend Azilah Hadri – who is the first accused – and murder victim Altantuya Shaariibuu went off with an unknown man in a green Suzuki Vitara from the Bukit Aman police headquarters.

Yesterday: She testified that only the unidentified man went off with Altantuya in the Vitara. She said Azilah had instead walked to the Special Action Unit (UTK) office in Bukit Aman by himself.

Justification: Before I gave (my first) statement, I was kept in a hotel for two days by (investigating officers DSP Gan (Tack Guan) and ASP (Tonny Lunggan) after my 14 day remand. They did not let me go back home or let me meet anybody.

I was remanded at the Travers police station. I gave the police statement in question at the D9 (serious crime division). In D9, they threatened me that “Section 302 of the Penal Code (murder) may be used on you” and they did not write down what I said. They did not take down what was supposed to be taken down.

2. The pick-up point

Original statement: Rohaniza said in her statement that Azilah had asked her to pick him up with her car from the Sungai Buloh or Jalan Duta toll plaza after 12 midnight on Oct 20. She stated that she could not hear him because of the noise in the karaoke bar she was in.

Yesterday: She said Azilah had asked her to pick him up from Rawang or Jalan Duta toll plaza but she wasn’t sure which toll so she did not go. (She had later picked Azilah up at the Bukit Aman police headquarters and then drove him to Putrajaya).

Justification: I couldn’t hear what Azilah was saying on the phone because I was in the karaoke bar. I merely guessed which toll plaza he said when I told the police and I was also guessing when I told the court yesterday. I am not sure which toll plaza he said.

3. Azilah questioned about Altantuya

Original statement: The witness said in her statement that she asked Azilah three times about Altantuya on the way to Putrajaya on Oct 19, to which he told her: “You do not need to know anything.” The way he said it was odd. I felt something must have happened (to Altantuya).

Yesterday: Rohaniza told the court that she asked Azilah about Altantuya on the way to his parents’ house in Sungai Pelek, Sepang, later in the day. She said Azilah was not himself and remained quiet throughout.

Justification: I don’t remember the conversation. The conversation on the way to Putrajaya happened so long ago. I don’t remember saying any of this in my statement to the police.

4. Azilah’s different response

Original statement:
Rohaniza said that she asked Azilah about Altantuya on the journey to his parents’ house in Sungai Pelek, Sepang. Azilah replied, “Nothing.” She told him if he didn’t tell her anything, she would check on this information with other police stations.

Yesterday: She told the court that during this journey, she asked him about Altantuya and he said he was anxious because he did not know how Altantuya disappeared. She then angrily told him to tell the truth but he remained quiet. Based on this, she told him that she’ll check on this information with the police stations.

Justification: I don’t remember making that statement to the police. The journey lasted quite long and I don’t know which journey they were asking about. I felt that Azilah’s “nothing” reply meant the same as keeping quiet, Yang Arif.

5. Checks with police stations

Original statement: Rohaniza said she had checked at various police stations a number of times to see if there were any reports on a kidnapped foreigner or a sudden death report. She had done this because Azilah was acting weird. She said she had only thought of those two crimes and not rape or battery because Altantuya looked burdened with a big problem so I thought she might be killed or kidnapped.

Yesterday: She told the court that she only checked for reports of rape and kidnap of a foreigner made in Brickfields or Travers police station from a friend, lance corporal Leena Asing.

Justification: I am not even sure if I failed to mention rape during my statement to the police. I don’t remember asking my friend (Leena) about rape reports. I don’t remember making the statement about sudden death reports.

Police pressure

The court continued with the prosecution and defence teams questioning Rohaniza about her testimony and the allege police pressure during her remand at the Travers police station.

The police pressure, according to her during cross examination by Azilah’s counsel Hazman Ahmad, included being threatened, blackmailed, insulted, shouted at and being roughly handled.

“Questioning normally began at 8 or 9am and ended at 6 or 7 pm. There were many different D9 officers and personnel questioning me. They took statements from me everyday,” she told the court.

Hazman asked if she was promised anything during questioning, Rohaniza said she was promised that Azilah – who was her boyfriend then – would be freed.

Rohaniza said she was threatened with disciplinary action and termination. She was also forced to agree to various ‘facts’ put to her.

The Petaling Jaya-based lance corporal described that she was constantly supervised by a female police officer when she was kept in a hotel and felt confused because she thought she would be freed after her remand period expired.

Political analyst Abdul Razak Baginda’s counsel Wong Kian Kheong asked Rohaniza if she had seen or met his client before, which was answered in the negative by her.

Mohd Zaki then asked Rohaniza what was Azilah doing in Putrajaya, she disclosed that UTK officers that were on duty would reside in Putrajaya. Azilah was on duty at that time.

The judge affirmed that the prosecution team needed to submit on the impeachment only after the prosecution had wrapped up its case in questioning all its witnesses before adjourning the session for lunch.

The hearing continues this afternoon.

86 responses »

  1. chaiong says:

    Look at this IGP face on this picture, I dont think he looks honest, but crooked instead! I seem not to believe what comes out from his mouth!

  2. simon says:

    to be honest, malay people like to do strange thing. but in end, all will be covered up and potical wins, and Altantuya’s death will just covered up by money.

  3. jeancumlately says:

    Simon, can you please tell me what is your race so that I can list the “strange things” your race did?

    Somebody got murdered and you want to talk about race? I am malay and I never killed anybody. Not yet, but I feel like doing it now.

  4. janedoe says:

    It is very sad that a young, energetic n productive individual has died a dreadful death. Shame on us Malaysians. One of us has done it. It is more shameful that some high end individuals are covering up the story. It is very obvious. The entire country knows it.

  5. wits0 says:

    Jean: “Somebody got murdered and you want to talk about race? I am malay and I never killed anybody. Not yet, but I feel like doing it now.”

    Answer to first line : This has been one sidedly promoted by the given political System all along.

    To second line: You see what effect that creates consequently. A bad beginning with bad ideology has its sticky ill-fallout.

  6. simon says:

    Sorry jeancumlately, I meant “some”. i do admire Anwar Ibrahim🙂

    Don’t you think what they did is unusually shocked to the world? sad to say but it breaks the Guinness World Records. I wonder how Abdul Razak came up with such a devilish idea?! hopefully this won’t drain off your country image.

    This is an extremely sad news especially to their family and the loves one. I hope this murder trial will be ended soon and justice will be served fairly so that her parents will give an end to it once it for all. In my opinion, this case should be handled by mogolian’s judge for better outcome as politic personnels were involved, and now “Najib”?! I don’t think Malaysia judge is dare to disturb with “fire”.

    “Somebody got murdered and you want to talk about race? I am malay and I never killed anybody. Not yet, but I feel like doing it now.” – Is that malaysian attitude? or is it just me? I was pointing to political issue, not race. hope you did not confused by it.

  7. LuckyStar says:

    Act of the above murder is an act of an individual with power and money – the rest are just the followers following the wrong path

    I am tired of all this racist things, somethings are the work of an individual not the collective. We have to stop thinking negatively now so that this 50th year of independence mean something…

  8. jeancumlately says:

    Simon, you wrote …to be honest, malay people like to do strange thing…

    And then you said …I was pointing to political issue, not race. hope you did not confused by it.

    I was stunned to read your first comment but was a bit relieved to note that you had “forgotten” the word “some.” And you said I am confused? No I am not! Even if you meant to say that “…some malay people like to do strange thing..” it would still be uncalled for and and simply a reckless racist remarks. What do malay people in general has to do with the murder case? Is murder an isolated hobby to the malay race?

    How racist can you get?

  9. hantutelur says:

    simon

    “to be honest, malay people like to do strange thing.”

    If you had stopped right there, no one would hate you.

  10. wits0 says:

    Folks, just google up that old BBC program on “Who runs your world” interview with a M’sian triad member”.

    The answer : The Gomin. Who else? The fatal cynicism begins with the top.

  11. hantutelur says:

    I don’t mind that…

  12. hantutelur says:

    If I am a malay

  13. monsterball says:

    THen who you are hantutelur….a Malaysian Russian? I know some Russians use hantu…. as names…but your telur can eithet mean you love to eat eggs or somethng else.
    Jeancumlatel…LOVE YOU ALWAYS!!

  14. jeancumlately says:

    yes wits0… we know that.

    1. How many malay is actually “the government” i.e. the politicians.
    2. “Strange things” do happen in Thailand, India, China, America, Israel and you name it. I dont think the malays are “the government” there.

    I do agree with hantutelur. If simon stopped at “to be honest, malay people like to do strange thing.” But while talking about a muder case, a cover up etc… what were you implying?

  15. simon says:

    “What do malay people in general has to do with the murder case? Is murder an isolated hobby to the malay race?” Malay=Malaysia, isn’t it? Anyway, that’s how malaysia defense team instructed the usage of C-4 explosive? Look at how your own military skill implemented for….

    If I’m racist, then how about your own country? And you? Improve your country before your start pointing fingers!

    Okey, here is a circulated email I received from my Malaysian friend. This is what happened in your country unless it’s fake. Then can you proof it?Again, Malaysia breaks another Guinness World Records.

    ***55 Interesting Facts about Racism In Malaysia***

    (1) Out of all the 5 major banks, only one bank is multi-racial, the rest are controlled by malays

    (2) 99% of Petronas directors are malays

    (3) 3% of Petronas employees are Chinese

    (4) 99% of 2000 Petronas gasoline stations are owned by malays

    (5) 100% all contractors working under Petronas projects must be bumis status

    (6) 0% of non-malay staffs is legally required in malay companies. But there must be 30% malay staffs in Chinese companies.

    (7) 5% of all new intake for government police, nurses, army, is non-malays.

    (8) 2% is the present Chinese staff in Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF), drop from 40% in 1960

    (9) 2% is the percentage of non-malay government servants in Putrajaya. But malays make up 98%

    (10) 7% is the percentage of Chinese government servants in the whole government (in 2004), drop from 30% in 1960

    (11) 95% of government contracts are given to malays

    (12) 100% all business licensees are controlled by malay government e.g. Taxi permits, Approved permits, etc

    (13) 80% of the Chinese rice millers in Kedah had to be sold to malay controlled Bernas in 1980s. Otherwise, life is make difficult for Chinese rice millers

    (14) 100 big companies set up, owned and managed by Chinese Malaysians were taken over by government, and later managed by malays since 1970s e.g. UTC, UMBC, MISC, etc

    (15) At least 10 Chinese owned bus companies (throughout Malaysia, throughout 40 years) had to be sold to MARA or other malay transport companies due to rejection by malay authority to Chinese application for bus routes and rejection for their application for new buses

    (16) 2 Chinese taxi drivers were barred from driving in Johor Larkin bus station. There are about 30 taxi drivers and 3 are Chinese in October 2004. Spoiling taxi club properties was the reason given

    (17) 0 non-malays are allowed to get shop lots in the new Muar bus station (November 2004)

    (18) 8000 billions ringgit is the total amount the government channeled to malay pockets through ASB, ASN, MARA, privatisation of government agencies, Tabung Haji etc, through NEP over 34 years period

    (19) 48 Chinese primary schools closed down since 1968 – 2000

    (20) 144 Indian primary schools closed down since 1968 – 2000

    (21) 2637 malay primary schools built since 1968 – 2000

    (22) 2.5% is government budget for Chinese primary schools. Indian schools got only 1%, malay schools got 96.5%

    (23) While a Chinese parent with RM1000 salary (monthly) cannot get school-text-book-loan, a malay parent with RM2000 salary is eligible

    (24) 10 all public universities vice chancellors are malays

    (25) 5% – the government universities lecturers of non-malay origins had been reduced from about 70% in 1965 to only 5% in 2004

    (26) Only 5% is given to non-malays for government scholarships over 40 years

    (27) 0 Chinese or Indians were sent to Japan and Korea under “Look East Policy”

    (28) 128 STPM Chinese top students could not get into the course that they aspired i.e. Medicine (in 2004)

    (29) 10% place for non-bumi students for MARA science schools beginning from year 2003, but only 7% are filled. Before that it was 100% malays

    (30) 50 cases whereby Chinese and Indian Malaysians, are beaten up in the National Service program in 2003

    (31) 25% is Malaysian Chinese population in 2004, drop from 45% in 1957

    (32) 7% is the present Malaysian Indians population (2004), a drop from 12% in 1957

    (33) 2 millions Chinese Malaysians had emigrated to overseas since 40 years ago

    (34) 0.5 million Indian Malaysians had emigrated to overseas

    (35) 3 millions Indonesians had migrated into Malaysia and became Malaysian citizens with bumis status.

    (36) 600000 are the Chinese and Indians Malaysians with red IC and were rejected repeatedly when applying for citizenship for 40 years. Perhaps 60% of them had already passed away due to old age. This shows racism of how easily Indonesians got their citizenships compare with the Chinese and Indians

    (37) 5% – 15% discount for a malay to buy a house, regardless whether the malay is rich or poor

    (38) 2% is what Chinese new villages get compare with 98% of what malay villages got for rural development budget

    (39) 50 road names (at least) had been change from Chinese names to other names

    (40) 1 Dewan Gan Boon Leong (in Malacca) was altered to other name (e.g. Dewan Serbaguna or sort) when it was being officially used for a few days. Government try to shun Chinese names. This racism happened in around year 2000 or sort

    (41) 0 temples/churches were built for each housing estate. But every housing estate got at least one mosque/surau built

    (42) 3000 mosques/surau were built in all housing estates throughout Malaysia since 1970. No temples, no churches are required to be built in housing estates

    (43) 1 Catholic church in Shah Alam took 20 years to apply to be constructed. But told by malay authority that it must look like a factory and not look like a church. Still not yet approved in 2004

    (44) 1 publishing of Bible in Iban language banned (in 2002)

    (45) 0 of the government TV stations (RTM1, RTM2, TV3) are directors of non-malay origins

    (46) 30 government produced TV dramas and films always showed that the bad guys had Chinese face, and the good guys had malay face. You can check it out since 1970s. Recent years, this tendency becomes less

    (47) 10 times, at least, malays (especially Umno) had threatened to massacre the Chinese Malaysians using May 13 since 1969

    (48) 20 constituencies won by DAP would not get funds from the government to develop. Or these Chinese majority constituencies would be the last to be developed

    (49) 100 constituencies (parliaments and states) had been racistly re-delineated so Chinese voters were diluted that Chinese candidates, particularly DAP candidates lost in election since 1970s

    (50) Only 3 out of 12 human rights items are ratified by Malaysia government since 1960

    (51) 0 – elimination of all forms of racial discrimination (UN Human Rights) is not ratified by Malaysia government since 1960s

    (52) 20 reported cases whereby malay ambulance attendances treated Chinese patients inhumanely, and malay government hospital staffs purposely delay attending to Chinese patients in 2003. Unreported cases may be 200

    (53) 50 cases each year whereby Chinese, especially Chinese youths being beaten up by malay youths in public places. We may check at police reports provided the police took the report, otherwise there will be no record

    (54) 20 cases every year whereby Chinese drivers who accidentally knocked down malays were seriously assaulted or killed by malays

    (55) 12% is what ASB/ASN got per annum while banks fixed deposit is only about 3.5% per annum.

  16. simon says:

    Above post is for jeancumlately to understand his own country’s situation. For others, don’t waste your time reading it. It’s not implied to you.

  17. i know says:

    Let’s concentrate on the trial instead of talking about racial politics. Rohaniza could be in on the act as well; purposely giving contradictory statements so that ultimately there would not be enough evidence to put those 3 away. I also find it very suspicious that Rohaniza could not identify the man in the green cap. This statement was taken from NST’s article today.

    ”This was according to witness Lance Corporal Rohaniza Roslan, who had maintained from day one of her testimony that she could not identify the “man in a green cap”.

    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Tuesday/Frontpage/20070703073858/Article/index_html

    As a police officer or lance corporal, how could she not remember what the man in the green cap looked like? Who is the mysterious man anyway? Is he one of the accused; Sirul Azhar? If he is Sirul Azhar, then why didn’t the DPP ask her to identify him in court? Rohaniza was asked to indentify Azila in court. If she’s not asked to identify the ‘man in the green cap’ in court, most likely it is not sirul, but just a mystery man that until today remains unidentified, or he could be another prosecution witness which has yet to testify in court. Remember when people were asking who is this mystery woman who was with Azila in the car which Altantuya also got in, the night that Altantuya was last seen? There were rumours that this mystery woman was one of Najib’s wife’s private guards and it turns out to be Rohaniza (which has got nothing to do with Najib).

    Everything about this trial just seems suspicious and it seems like everyone is in on the plan to let the 3 accused get away; the malaysian prosecution witnesses (including Rohaniza), the defence team (that goes without saying), the judge and of course, the ‘mastermind’ of it all. The only people who are not in on the plan are Altantuya’s family and friends and karpal.

  18. wits0 says:

    Jean: ““Strange things” do happen in Thailand, India, China, America, Israel and you name it. I dont think the malays are “the government” there.”

    You’ll find that in many other countries like Europe the original inhabitants are forced to accomodate changes in favor of the definitely newer arrivals who are causing causing much trouble despite all that. Like the 5 or 6 doctors all involved in terrorist attacks in England and scotland just a few days ago. Here we have a paranoiac slant officially promoted and individually supported.

  19. wits0 says:

    Why isn’t the immediate superior, ADC, of the two accuse including Rohaniza sidelined in terms of mention this far?

  20. wits0 says:

    Or rather, correction: Why IS the immediate superior, ADC, of the two accuse including Rohaniza sidelined in terms of mention this far? Looks llike lots of stones aren’t meant to be turned.

  21. i know says:

    I missed out one more party who is in on the plan to let the 3 accused escape; the prosecution team.

  22. monsterball says:

    jeancumlately..Ignore that braggart who claims to be a trained PI fom Russia.
    Everyone knows he has committed the cadinal sin in blogging on me….now he talks one sided politics…also been exposed by witsO and few others.
    For me….I am just waiting to see his real face. Meanwhile…why talk o the biggest COWARD in blogging?
    He is full of shit!!

  23. Tourman53 says:

    jeancumlately,

    what simon was saying is true. I ‘m not trying to condemn the malays, at time they do things out of their mind.

    What you have written.
    “Somebody got murdered and you want to talk about race? I am malay and I never killed anybody. Not yet, but I feel like doing it now.”
    That prove that you are emotional and will cause amok if you can’t take it anymore.
    Sorry if it hurts.

    Tourman53

  24. simon says:

    I_KNOW, yes, back to topic of what this forum supposes to served for.

    I have to agree with you, in end, they all walkaway freely. There is no justice and no one get the truth. We only get to see and hear what they wanted us to see and hear.

    If this case were other way round where Altantuya get to play as the murderer, she is definitely get send off to gas chamber long long ago last year.

  25. Raja says:

    The S. 112 statement when compared to her testimony appears to vary at critical points where it matters. This is the working of the guilty mind trying to take a step backwards to protect herself and her boyfriend accused in the case.

    Her defence that she could not remember everything since the statement was given a long time ago is understandable – but why does it vary in its details only when it comes to critical issues i.e. the issue of the state of mind of her boyfriend and his replies to her inquiries, and the pick-up point?

    As for the confession not being admissible in evidence because of the threat and the promise made to her as an inducement, she is a trained police personnel and has to be held to a high standard i.e. she could not be intimidated that easily and she must have known about confessions made while in police custody and during interrogation.

    She is not out of the woods.

    The causal effect between words uttered and ‘threats and promises” made has to be shown. Do these words qualify as ‘threats’ and did promises made induce her to make the statement?

    This is a witness who has good reasons to lie in court. The statement given to the police whilst she was being questioned for her Section 112 statement under the Criminal Procedure Act is more likely true.

    Why can’t confessions be allowed into evidence when it is likely to be true – because they are confessions? Confessions made under threat and promise of freedom could be true and are usually true.

  26. monsterball says:

    witsO..At this point of the murder trial….if one reads it at face value…the prosecution lawyers are taken by surprised over Rohainza’s answers in court.
    But if we keep our own suspicions alive….it can mean a delay dirty tactic to throw the case into a wild goose chase.
    As for me….I stopped suspecting nor want to speculate…but Susan have given us …so much to think about. That’s all…..to think about and I wait for clearer signs.
    Before the trial…all can give their opinions.
    Trial is on….does it show..it is leading towards being an unfair trial?
    Baginda smiles most of the time at court does not mean he feels safe and will be discharged…then noticed he whispered something to his wife with a serious concern face expression. Is that not contradicting his feelings?

  27. Raja says:

    When her statement was taken, there would be a police IO typing down the questions and her replies. She would be asked to read at the end the questions and her replies. She would be asked to amend where she feels amendments are called for and initial against those amendments’

    So how could she go wrong over something like her boyfriend went along with another with a green cap into a Vitara and her boyfriend walking away and back to his office and not leaving with the man in the green cap in the Vitara??

  28. monsterball says:

    Tourman53….describing jeancumlatly as emotional and will cause amok is uncalled for. She is a very smart… calm and level headed lady.
    But try to be in her position and get everything based on her race identity….without realising who made them like so
    Dirty politics have creeped into our daily lives..using race and religion….but jeancumlately is most opn minded lady….yet can have her limits
    As this is a murder case and blame on one race is just doing exactly wha we all want..to get a calm lady run amok…and if she does….I DON’T BLAME HER. WE ASKED FOR IT!!
    Who are the masters of instigations and double talks? Who will betray their friends? Who are the most selfish race in Malaysia? Who are the balls carriers in politics….you tell me.
    This much I tell you…when comes to unity…the malays are the best.
    Others….eeerrr less said ….the better.

  29. i know says:

    The contradictory statement that Rohaniza made about Azila not going into the Suzuki is the biggest giveaway that she is lying. But the reason WHY she is lying, it could be a last, desperate attempt to save Azila, or it could also be part of the ‘grand plan’. I really don’t believe her act of being ‘all innocent’, as if she doesn’t know what police interrogation would be like. Also, she would have known the implication of making those contradictory statements, which is impeachment and the damage it would cause to the case. Whether or not she purposely got herself ‘impeached’ as part of the grand plan, that remains to be seen. We have to see how this trial goes before making any definite conclusions.

  30. melayu says:

    MALAYS ARE BIG HEADED IN MALAYSIA. THEY THINK ITS THEIR DAMN FOREFATHERS LAND!!! IN ADDITION, THE GOVERNMENT ARE GIVING THEIR DAMN FACES TO ALL OF ITS KIND.

  31. whispering9 says:

    I know Jean and I can vouch that she is, neither emotional nor illogical. Not a racist at all. She is witty and very intelligent…using brilliant analogues frequently. Simon, making racist statement will not help towards fostering friendship or understanding. Since you are not from Malaysia, you may not know that many of us are working towards becoming a strong integrated Malaysian. Maybe, not next year or the years after, but one day we will become one. Your remark does not help towards that end. Murder is never right, whether the victim is an innocent or not. I have been in police interrogation…it can appear very distorting and threatening but the truths normally come out under such conditions. Crime does not pay even if you can sweep it under a carpet.

  32. farizrani says:

    Why is everyone so upset if the three accused go free? Why is everyone so sure that they are guilty of the charge(s)?

  33. i know says:

    To wits0, who said:

    ”Or rather, correction: Why IS the immediate superior, ADC, of the two accuse including Rohaniza sidelined in terms of mention this far? Looks llike lots of stones aren’t meant to be turned.”

    This is part of the reason why I said that the trial is suspicious. Up to the point that Rohaniza started her testimony in court, her identity was hidden by ALL PARTIES INVOLVED and her involvement has been downplayed. To me, this is just more proof that she may actually be part of the ‘grand plan’.

  34. Tourman53 says:

    monsterball,

    true when comes to unity the malays are best. B’cos the population of the Malays are limited . That’s why they unite. Malays never like to admit they are from Indonesia in fear of history.

  35. Anynomous says:

    Hmm.. soothing at last…
    🙂

  36. Anynomous says:

    referring to Mr whispering’s comment…

  37. Raja says:

    As usual there are conspiracy theories floating about. It does add to our appetite for more. I am not one of those.

    I do believe however the rush to prosecute is to free Razak for lack of evidence – but not the other two.

    Evidence against the Inspector who led police to the scene where her body was is damning evidence. Food of the poisonous tree?? I think not.

    Blood stained slippers and personal belongings of the dead girl? Let’s see how the co-accused pull himself out of this! It puts him exactly on the scene of the crime. He is as guilty of the crime as the Inspector is.

    Then we have the statement by the secretary to Razak who said to her that the Inspector had killed her.

  38. wits0 says:

    i know, from the moment the originaly intended prosecution team stated that only 2 persons were the murderers, the stench already appeared. Subsequent developments seem only to further substantiate that.

  39. whispering9 says:

    I have also vouched to myself never never again put out a comment here with my nick. But Jean is worth the thunder strike from heaven. Let’s get back to the main juice, okay. 😉

  40. monsterball says:

    What everyone totally forget is the malays are divided by dirty politics from their own race. Had it not been so…the malays are most friendly and cultured….not so now…..again due to not proper sincere leadership …except learn the art from the British…..how to divide and rule.

  41. monsterball says:

    Tourman53….Regardless where the malays originated from….your message is provoking…why do you do that?
    What race are you from? Be fair…if you want to talk of one race…identify your self truthfully and I will prove you talk through your nose..as even Indonesians are migrated from somewhere…do you know where?

  42. farizrani says:

    Whoah…this is getting more and more relevant!! Shall we talk about Disneyland now?

  43. amri says:

    Farizrani, dragonball will be a better match of the upcoming discussion😀

  44. Anonymous says:

    hey you emotionals. grow up. this blog is not a place to let off steams.
    some actually have no respect the lady host..men gossiping sucks!

    http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/

    Rohaniza also claimed that she was threatened, verbally abused and pressured by many police personnel while being in remand from Nov 1 to 14, 2006 and the situation made her confused over her involvement in the case.

    Rohaniza who has served nine years in the police force, said she did not know who ordered that she be confined, but she was brought there by DSP Gan Tack Guan, ASP Tonny Lunggan and constable Maz.

  45. Anonymous says:

    or Jonny Storm of Fantastic Four. Firey outside but happy go lucky and cool..inside 🙂

  46. noname says:

    jeancumlately,

    I really admire you lah. Those people does not deserve your comments my lady. Just let them be. Afterall its only here that they can have their voice (regardless of people rading or not). Pity them for most certainly they cannot even open their motuh at their own country thus meddle with people’s.

    Cheers and be cool.

  47. monsterball says:

    anon 10.57pm….Direct your remarks to ONE illogical emotional writer. Others including me are battling his unfair comments on jeancumlately.
    Try to be precise and to the point and stand clearly which side you are on…and .not play the good guy stuff and accused others as men gossipers.
    That character is worst than men gossiping….no balls!!!

  48. whispering9 says:

    farizrani, why disneyland? Should we wish upon the stars for an outcome? Or you believe that at this junction anyone can cook up a story like that rat in Ratatuiolle? Let’s jiggle ‘Mickey Mouse Rock’ like Britney spear and have a midnight snack before we resume the probing like Sherlock Holmes or Nancy Drew. Please save the last dance for me…I need to send Cinderalla home. Her horses and carriage have just turn into mice and pumpkin. :0

  49. farizrani says:

    whispering are you off your meds?

  50. i know says:

    Article at bernama website:

    July 03, 2007 19:43 PM

    Azilah Killed Altantuya, Says Razak Baginda’s Secretary

    http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=271094

    What else do you expect his secretary to say? It’s all planned…….

  51. […] July 4th, 2007 in altantuya shariibuu Honestly, with all the contradictions and controversy over the credibility of Bukit Aman, from the Prosecution’s star witness Rohaniza Roslan alone, […]

  52. zeef says:

    Enough of the race remarks..Every race has its problem..just name me one that doesnt..I hope the killers of Altantuya dont get away easily..poor girl got trap with the wrong people..

  53. monsterball says:

    amri…..who is drangonball?…ME?
    Why..if farizrani and I were to talk of Disneyland…..we will never disagree.
    But we must respect the post is about Atlantuya…not Disneyland.

  54. monsterball says:

    BLOWN TO PIECES!! This is always in my mind….yet the trial seems so distorted…so confusing…so many twists and turns…. contradicting statements now appear with idiotic reasons….all ignoring….
    BLOWN TO PIECES…..what terrible murder case we have.

  55. jeancumlately says:

    simon, thank you for the enlightening piece of “something” from the e-mail. So, that will justify your generalizing the malays as “strange?” I am not about to check the validity of the figures but yeah, its interesting how the bumis’ control over the bank, the school, the houses or what have you in malaysia are directly related to malays’ “strange” behaviour to muder someone and do silly things to cover it up.

    And you are yet to disclose what is your race and nationality. I am curious of that because you must be from a race or nationality where murder never happened. The people from your race will never do “strange things” like murder and then try hard to cover it up, right? Only malays do that.

    KISS – Keep it simple stupid. Why flaunt your intelligence by bringing in the issue of religioin to education to economy. When you first brought up the issue, we were just talking about Altantuya’s murder. That was when you implied that because of malays’ strangeness, the murder happened. Yeah, I know the sun is hot, the world is not flat, some chinese school were closed, some indians are starving, the top 10 richest man in Malaysia are Malays, badawi just got married… but so what? We just want to know who the hell killed Altantuya!

    To other commentators, sorry to stray from the topic. My last comment… I promise.

    To wits0.. you have so much wisdom. Put it to good use.

  56. hantutelur says:

    yeah, simon. one thing you forgot… look at your currency notes, rm1, rm5, rm10, rm50… all got one malay face there, not limkitsiang’s face. lol

  57. stenson chin says:

    Dont mess around with jean.You might end up carrying your head home.

  58. Agathis says:

    Very well Jean & Simon, whatever it is, inside politic is very much dirty n complicated. Nothing much we can do about it. One thing that really does matter me was, what race that contribute most taxes in LHDN Malaysia? Still no answer for it? Well, just go to tax department and see who Q at counter paying $$…, I dont have to answer for it. I am very shy of my own race and am sorry for those who read Simon’s statement dated July 3rd. It seems true, no doubt. Afterall, all races are still my best pal. I hope Government’s policies wont spoil/pampered our malay too much or otherwise it will be 100sX worst than Indonesia!

    Back to Altuantuya case, this murder must have some political conection. She must know someting which she is not suppose to know. Could be huge bribery or something similar. As you know, she was a translator hired by Razak, she translate everything because she is a translater. Perhaps she must been offered something attractive to cover her mouth shut. We shall see later…

  59. telurmas says:

    My T-shirt factory will be printing RM10 T-shirts with the front caption “I am Razak Baginda’s countryman” and at the back, ” And I am ashamed of him!”
    Any orders?

  60. benelli says:

    The karaoke bar she went was named as Vegas. It is a very expensive joint frequented by the super rich. She must have had super rich friends to go to such joint.

  61. Anonymous says:

    telurmas,
    walau wei… i really admire u lah 2 hav balls saying it but doubt any1 hav the gut to wear it lah unless u wan a C-4 in ur car!

    stenson chin,
    with C-4, u might end up nothing to carrying home.

  62. monsterball says:

    benelli….I think she was there on duty…not fun.

  63. aida mustafa says:

    hahaha…
    we r all being taken for a ride..yeeehaah!!. the scriptwriters fr Bkt Aman and the AG of putraberjaya are not keen on determining who gave the orders to kill her using c4 or who the real killers are.

    they r more interested in their prosecution of the 3 stooges being thrown out of court. no need sibuk2lah. nobody will b hanged one.

    u ingat these ppl give a damn abt world view on bodohland ah? better go back do some other worklah. buang masa saja.

  64. benelli says:

    monsterball, it was reported in her evidence that she said she went there to join her friends.

  65. farizrani says:

    telurmas why are you ashamed to be Razak Baginda’ countryman?

  66. Tourman53 says:

    monsterball,

    where the indonesians are from it doesn’t matter .
    Where the malays are from is more important. Do you know where?
    They claim to be the prince of the boleh land which I think is not true.
    Actually we are out of the topic .
    Hope it won’t be long to see who’s the real culprit involved with Altantuya’s murder.

  67. urge overkilled says:

    malaysian when will we ever learn.Here we were talking about the mongol women and it went all berserk about race. When it comes to race today the problem could be about the chinese and indian.Well what will happen if these people are no longer here in Malaysia.So will there a dispute with the clans like the arabs.The jawanese and the boyan’s will be fighting for the clans rights is it. Look this comparisan will never end. If there is a problem solve it the right way.Najib’s greed got him into all this.It’s all about money.50 million usd. Altantuya was the key person in the deal.
    She secured the deal for both parties. It looks like our boys never lived up to their words.Well thats the Mlaysian standard protocol. Janji saja.

    Rather than yapping about the goverments wrong doing here,lets tell them with actions that we need a new leader.For 20 years we had a good life.Fuel and basic needs was cheap.Today our currency is strong but the
    prices of fuel and basic needs are damm expensive.Let me put it to you in simple words.It’s total bullshit PAK LAH.Please dont rob us of our rights.Today it’s najib and his team on the firing line.In a few months to come it will wonder boy khairi and father in law in the lime light.We need a new leader and new goverment policy. We need to have a balance in our system.

    Pak lah went preaching to world about internet scams like swiss cash,when he cant handle his own back yard. His act has put millions of Malaysian in deep shit.Their money is blocked and they cant remove them.I pity those factory workers and those who earn minimum wage,most of them enrolled in this kinda scheme to upgrade their lives.Everything was find for them until our justice king made a mess out of it. People please ask your self why does these investment scheme been allowed by the US federal reserve and the US Treasury,if it’s a SCAM the fed will be all over them.Malaysia’s need to watch more discovery i presume. They were barred from doing business in the net at all.So why pak lah has to pull the plug on Malaysian’s. The best part Jai network or stromberg is still not on the list,well it’s because they contributed somewhere to someone.So who is the crook here.

    Stop and act.simon and jane you guys are good.Please make Malaysia a better place to live.I want to have the feeling of belonging to this country.

    The change is in your hands not the goverment.You decide.

    URGE OVERKILLED

  68. Linda Frater says:

    Pray tell me someone, of the 55 points raised by Simon, can any be rebutted?

  69. monsterball says:

    You got a valid point there Tourman53

  70. monsterball says:

    benelli…..I know some police people on duty do not wear uniforms…but behave like guests and enjoying themselves in discos and night life places all over the city. It is infect an on going duty for generations..nothing new…to be there incase there is a fight or some thing ugly going to happen. So I believe she was there on duty.

  71. wits0 says:

    The list, Linda, seems to be from : http://www.worldpress.org/2298.cfm

    Before any hope of change is possible, people simply has to recognise how unfair the whole ethos about the NEP actually has become rotten. In fact it was flawed from the beginning because there was no really fair and sincere spirit behind it. It has manifested the way expected. Thanks to the holy STFU stipulation, all excesses have become deeply rooted.

    Keep voting in the BN and dawn will never be near. But I guess it may need something bigger than the last Asian Financial Crisis to give the dumb voters a jolt. Things really, it seems, won’t change otherwise.

    When a governance becomes unfetteredly wilfull in promoting self-agenda along such lines, it’s only natural that it becomes both self-servingly elitist and corrupt. So, in effect, to separate the bad ethnic policy from non ethnic issues is only possible up to a point and not something achievable. They are somehow linked, more or less.

    A fundamentally bad philosophy carries its own lame result along the way. Shoot yourself in the foot and wonder why you can’t walk? Bodohland is surreal.

  72. Anonymous says:

    i think simon forgot to add the following:

    56. non-bumi are not allow to operate/work in kfc, mcdonalds and pizzahuts.
    57. non-bumi are subjected to TAX SERVICE CHARGE in pizzahuts while malay weaved from it.

    on pt 57, i actually dun believe it in the 1st place as i received a forwarded email from a frien mentioned that pizzahuts is racism with proof photo of their order form and the bills they get comparing with their malay frien. this curiousity made me took a visit to pizzahuts to see the trust myself. guess wat? after they took my order, they left the order form in the pigeon hole under the desk. after she walked off, i slowly slide out the order form and took a glance… suprise..suprise… guess what i see? THEY EVEN HAVE A COLUMN FOR RACE! the trust cost me rm20 but it’s well worth every cent of it.

    now here is the strange part, on my 2nd visit after abt half year, they changed their order form.

  73. Deeroy says:

    What the heck is going on here?What race got to do with the case? the only strange thing i’ve seen in this episode is the fact that Mrs Razak Baginda was seen wearing a t-shirt saying she is RB’s wife and at the back it says “and proud of it”. That fella had been shagging some other woman woman behind her back and yet she’s proud of it.I know a woman should support her hubby whatever the circumstances but that shirt is pure crap.Imagine what Altantuya’s father would have felt? As far as the case goes its already written that the two cops will be the scapegoat and RB will be set free.So far he’s done well with the “huh?i didn’t ask anybody to murder anybody” and he’s done well alright.The prosecutors if you check so far has been trying to shift it heavily on the two and not much to Razak’s way.The fact that immigration records are deleted shows that it was premeditated and definately by someone who has a higher power and sure as heck not by those two. What the heck can a woman do that he’s so afraid that his family would be hurt? he got the indian fella plus there was Azilah who surely is not a family dispute specialist.In fact the (was it ASP or DSP?) is another dirty crook who recommended Azilah in the first place.Do you think its easy for a policeman to get permission for a grenade in this country?
    Did he(Razak) made a police report that he was threatened?Surely that would be enough right? As much as his secretary’s statement ..it was worth nothing..Razak knew her(Altantuya’s) body had been found and it would only implicate him..remember he’s no tard and making it look like he’s innocent in front of his secretary would definately help.Trust me just like Eric Chia he will be set free.
    Monsterball:the fact that some police officers are at a night club on duty is a myth just like the cop who was caught at a message parlour and later confirmed that he was doing “undercover” an was offered “special services” and turned her in.
    one thing I hate most than dirty politics is dirty cops…that pretty much rounds up almost everybody who’s holding power in this country.
    Can we even do anything about it? If only Cicakman was a real hero.

  74. monsterball says:

    Deeroy…I know you are right…as those cops supposedly on duty are leeches and on the take most of the time. Once they got what they wanted…another group will come next night. They eat and dance …all free of charge too.
    I know night club owners and frequent those places weekly few times for many many years.
    But this is a murder case…so I put out that she maybe on duty.
    What we both know are facts….which do not carry weight in a court case.

  75. pope says:

    if every witnesses are impeached, then do razak baginda walks free?
    in malaysia, you can almost buy everything in money including your freedom and trial.

  76. notsosmart says:

    Simon….your facts dated July 3rd makes me ******* sick. Proud to be a MALAYSIAN? After this, my believe begin to have wings. From today I will only put my faith in GOD.

    We are very fortunate to have petroleum revenue to develop our country. But do we spend them wisely? One day when it went dry, what will we do. Don’t be another Zimbabwe.

    All those money that we spend have yet to make us competitive and respectable. No locally discovered technology and not competitive enough. If we don’t wake up now. It will be too late. I mean NOW.
    Not when the tap went dry.

    ONE FOR ALL…..ALL FOR ONE!!!!……ONE MALAYSIAN…..NO COLOR…..NO RACE…….ONE INTEREST….(Those don’t support this will be C4ed.)

  77. ghenjis khan says:

    The Physics of the problem is connected with Time and Space but very little has been established scientifically by the DPP.

    Will somebody please draw a time line of all the events that took place from the day this poor soul Altantuya came to Malaysia.

    Every BODY [body means those made up of atoms] Altantuya and the 3 x accused Abdul razak Baginda , Azilah and Sirul.

    Establish their time line and the events that took place.

    When do the 4 important BODIES coincide in the Time & Space !

    What other BODIES that “causes” or rather I would prefer the technical term “OCCASION” the motion or movement of the foreign BODIES to interact with the 4 important BODIES.

    Now, who are the other “foreign BODIES” that have an influence upon the 4 x persons,namely, Altantuya, ARB, Azilah and Sirul.

    1. Altantuya is “wife” or girl friend or mistress to ARB.
    2. ARB is “advisor” or “close friend” or associate of DPM.
    3. DPM has a wife.

    4. ARB needs help for some reasonor another.
    5. ARB calls one Musa Safri.
    6. Musa Safri is ADC to TPM

    7. Musa Safri made the necessary arrangements.
    8. Azilah, Sirul and Rohanizah of UTK came into picture.
    9. Azilah boyfriend of Rohanizah.

    10. Bala and Ang are the two Private Investigators
    11. Bala works for ARB
    12. Ang works for Altantuya.

    Suddenly, we have a report of missing Altantuya most likely murdered!

    a] Now trace all the EVENTS of the Bodies BEFORE CRIME [BC]

    b] Now trace all the EVENTS After Death [AD]

    c] What we have now is the Physics of Murder case spread over a TimeLine Occurred in Space.

    Unfortunatelly, we have a bunch of LOUSY and poorly educated AG, IGP, DPP etc etc etc and their fellow officers don’t study Physics.

    d] and when you can’t put Events into Time and Space, you are bound to fail in your collection or evidence and you will fail miserably.

    e] therefore, at the end of the day, what we have are mere aspeculations based on circumtantial evidences which for all intent and purposes are NOT GOOD .

    Henceforth, the 3x accused will all smile as their Defence will not be required.

    And Eisntein will say, it is all relative.

  78. wits0 says:

    Considering the testimony of ASP Mastor wrt the lax manner in which high explosives amd munitions are stored, managed, and used( if that is really the case) it will be just a matter of time before Al Qaeda and its ilks discover how advantages to buy some UTK members over.

  79. monsterball says:

    Have we not read…all sorts of guns…ammunitions stolen from the army camp? I laughed when reading it. Have they caught the culprits…I did not follow up…..but it looks lkke our defence security systems are full of shit.

  80. monsterball says:

    Amongst all IGPs……I THINK HANIFF WAS THE MOST RESPECTED ONE.

  81. urge overkilled says:

    HELOO PEOPLE ….LAST WEEK Mrs.Razak Baginda was spoted at KLCC doing her expensive shopping with her daughter.Thats cool for someone who’s huby who has made Malaysia a laughing stock of every news paper in this planet. We do get rewarded for the wrong reasons .waa laaa tu kan biasa .HELOO RAZAK BILA NAK SUMPAH ATAS QURAN CAM SUPERWOMAN RAFIDAH.WELL THAT WAS CLASS ACT.HEHEHEH MALAYSIA ADUH PAK.LANUN YER.BOGIS

  82. urge overkilled says:

    DOROTHY PERKINS OUTLET IN KLCCLAST WEEK HAD A MEGA SALE BECAUSE OF Mrs.RAZAK BAGINDA AND HIS DAUGHTER.ALAMAK WHERE IS MY TAX PAYER’S MONEY GOING TOO.WHY DO WE MALAYSIAN HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SUCH NONSENCE HAAA.WE NEED MOSAD TO REMOVE THE BAD APPLE IN GOVERMENT.WELL THEY ARE THE BEST AT IT.

  83. susan loone says:

    hi urge overkilled – let mrs baginda shop lah. haven’t you heard of retail therapy? it does take the stress off ya….

  84. urge overkilled says:

    Yes susan great way to relief yourself,from stress i presume.I wonder under who’s expense……susan

  85. zainal abdeen says:

    Reply to Simon.About privileges to malay and non malay.Bravo ,some are true some are mere anger statements.
    I am Singaporean Indian muslim(Most hated ,racial segregation)
    BUT SADLY ,WHAT STATEMET YOU WROTE IS SAME WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SINGAPORE.NO MUSLIMS (OUTRIGHT) IN THE AIRFORCE ,NAVY ,COMMANDO AND ALL SENSITIVE MILATARY DEPTS.
    WHO IS AT FAULT? DO WE BLAME EACH OTHER OR THE RACE OR THE RELIGION? ONLY THEPOWER AND MONEY HUNGRY FEW WHO FOLLOW THE WAYS OF THEIR COLONIAL MASTERS , DIVIDE AND RULE.
    I DONT THINK THE MIC,MCA AND BN LEADERS HVE ANY PROBLEM WITH CURRENT ISSUE.BECAUSE THEY ARE THE FEW WHO ARE BENEFITING.

  86. wits0 says:

    “THE WAYS OF THEIR COLONIAL MASTERS , ‘DIVIDE AND RULE.’ ”

    Partly. There’re also the actual matter of known propensities and past antics.

    Why can’t Pakistan get along with India, e.g.? There is a complex at play beyond just prejudice.

    The mamaks’ participation in the Komtar demonstration is still fresh in the minds of Penangnites, for example. The unamused public took it out on mamak food vendors via boycott. And there were other notable happenings in the past along the years there.

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