Who do we believe? The victims or the PI who was “paid” by the accused?

Abdul Razak Baginda Threatened to kill us: witness

SHAH ALAM, June 25 (Bernama) — Namiraa Gerelmaa, the third witness in the Altantuya Shaariibuu murder trial, told the High Court here Monday that she, her cousin (Altantuya) and their friend Gal Ochir Uuriintuya had lodged a police report on Oct 19, 2006 because Abdul Razak Abdullah Baginda threatened to kill them.

Namiraa, 23, who accompanied Altantuya to Malaysia to look for the political analyst, said the threatening message was related to them by Abdul Razak’s private investigator P. Balasubramaniam and his assistant K. Suras Kumar.

“Suras Kumar and Balasubramaniam threatened to kill us, to throw us out of the window. Every night, around 3am to 5am, Suras came to the hotel and forcefully knocked on the door to enter our room,” she said during the examination-in-chief by Deputy Public Prosecutor Manoj Kurup.

Today was Namiraa’s second day to be called to the witness stand. Namiraa, who spoke in Mongolian and translated into English by Mongolian interpreter Engkhjargal Tsetsgee, was the first called to the stand last Friday. (BERNAMA)


Or, this:

‘Razak did not ask me to kill her’

(SHAH ALAM, June 22) PRIVATE eye P. Balasubramaniam told a High Court here that Abdul Razak Baginda had never asked him to murder a Mongolian woman named Altantuya.

Testifying as the first prosecution witness, he also said the political analyst had never instructed him to hurt anyone before.

“I would have lodged a police report if anyone asked me to kill someone else,” he said.

To a suggestion by Wong Kian Kheong, counsel for Abdul Razak, Balasubramaniam said there was no necessity for the political analyst to lodge a police report against Altantuya for just being outside his office on Oct 9 last year. (The STAR)


39 responses »

  1. monsterball says:

    I love to say believing the victim….but that will make th job easy for the judge. He is the one that needs to be convinced and give his explaination at the final day of judgement.

  2. mjiupy says:

    Bala and Sures are the typical MIC hooligans who plague this country today.

  3. aja49 says:

    Well each side wants to prove the other wrong.
    As for the killing definitely some people tried to stop the truth from being told.

  4. kittykat46 says:

    The PI’s testimony had holes big enough to drive a car through. He contradicted himself a number of times. On the whole, his performance sounds and feels like a concocted story.
    He was there alright, but parts of the story sounds like it was written after the fact – by someone else.

    The one and only time I ever came into contact with a PI didn’t leave me with a good impression – gave me a feel of people who perform a necesary function in society, but you really don’t want to know them.

  5. wits0 says:

    Why did Bag say that he felt threatened since Alt hired a PI to trace his address. And Bag hired (effectively)three as a counter?

    If the PIs service is not only generally sleazy and even unprincipled, why that inordinate concern? Unless this service is also actually shady in practice.

    Both the story and the rationale behind such a story conveys the impression of a concocted story.

  6. monsterball says:

    I guess the hotel manager will have something to say later on.

  7. monsterball says:

    kittykat….You are so right. I once employed a PI for my divorce case…and that PI was giving all false informations. Once is enough.

  8. bamboo river says:

    First , I don’t understand why he has to speak Tamil during the proceedings? He is an ex police man and he need a translator . I guess he must have lost in ‘translation’ when called to the stand.
    I am waiting to see if the PI Ang will speak chinese.

  9. bamboo river says:

    Monty, looks like in future we have to privately investigate a PI if we want to hire him!

  10. monsterball says:

    hahahahaha bamboo river….you are cute!
    That guy speaks in Tamil?….so easy to understand lah…buy time to think of his answers. He learned it from the politicians.
    That alone tells you he cannot be truthful…as truthful people need not remember things…just speak out as it is. Only guilty ones…needs more time. to give an answer.

  11. monsterball says:

    Sometimes untruthful ones may say the famous sentence ‘ I forgot”
    Now read how that mongo girl witness..such a young girl answer questions….straight to the point.
    I really hope the hotel manger can confirm seeing the two PI went to the girls room…maybe the jaga. All hotels do have night jaga.
    But by 3am and depending which floor…most of then are downstairs.
    What about neighbour room guests?
    Once they have proofs that the two PI did go to mongo room….thats it…PI lied!!

  12. bamboo river says:

    Yes, where is the hotel 24H CCTV? Or it is just not working on that particular day? Monty , the term ‘jaga’ is out of date lah. Maybe ‘bell boy’ or ‘concierge’ .

  13. kittykat46 says:

    Hi Monty,
    I see you are ignoring benny loh in the Free Speech Zone. That’s the right strategy. Just don’t respond to him. Let him talk to the wall.

  14. wits0 says:

    If that PI guy was an ex- (imported) Tamil School headmaster from India and naturalized only during the last 10 years or so, there can be little question as to why he chose to speak in Tamil.

    I’m waiting to hear how PI Ang will be presented as a threat to Bag.

  15. monsterball says:

    bamboo river….Hotel Malaya is a two or most three star hotel and bungali jaga is quite common. It has quite a famous ‘Health Centre” with lots of pretty girls to serve customers.
    Where got CCTV…you think it is a car park ah?
    Maybe someone can come out a say he had the late mongo girl offering massage services???….WHO KNOWS!!

  16. monsterball says:

    hi witsO…..Presenting witnesses can be like a chess game. Next one maybe taxi driver…not important one…to throw the Defendant lawyers into groggy state of mind.
    Lets see who is next. Maybe Hotel manager…or defendant lawyer may have their witness….the Health Centre manager to tell us something that may shock us all!!!

  17. kittykat46 says:

    Aiyah Monty, Everybody in KL knows Hotel Malaya is a good place for “special massage”……wanna try this weekend ?…meet you there instead of Summit…

  18. monsterball says:

    wawawa..Is it still operated by a welknown Malay boss?
    You name the time….I will be there.
    Guess you are regular there er?
    Long time never go. Have you tried Blue Apple at Holiday Villa or the famous Health Centre at Crown Princess Hotel in PJ?

  19. jeancumlately says:

    I would understand why that PI needs to testify in tamil. We have a minister who is as old as a dinosaur, has been in cabinet for what seems like since Sultan Muzaffar Shah’s days and still could not speak proper malay or english. Understandable what? And the best part is, he is still the best liar there is. When he failed to convince them, he will confuse them. When all else failed, he blamed God… works all the time.

  20. monsterball says:

    hi jeancumlately….want to go for good massage?

  21. monsterball says:

    But at least he never uses the…. ‘”I DON’T REMEMBER”‘ excuse.
    Yes jean…he is the most sickening thick skinned minister.
    There guys….jean have given best example who to believe mongo witness or Tamil PIs

  22. jeancumlately says:

    Good massage… I remember that old mak cik in Kuala selangor who can give a good one. She’s about 70 years old… and most of all, it is safe. Her place has never been raided since the first day she gave her service.

    Monty, was that you I saw in tv3 trying to cover your face? Hehehe…

  23. confuse says:

    side track,
    read the Malay Mail, 26.6.2007 :
    One of the die-hard ‘fans’ happened to be the uncle of Chief Inspector Azilah Hadri, 30, who is charged with murdering Altantuya Shaariibuu in Mukim Bukit Raja last year.
    Azilah’s uncle, Adi Admajah, 65, flew in from Medan, Indonesia, and has yet to miss a hearing since the first day of the trial.
    “Although I have come from far, I don’t mind the small sacrifice I am making for my nephew.
    “I want to show my support and give him strength,” he said.

    can some one explain,
    the uncle from Indonesia ?
    his father must be from Indonesia ?
    the Chief Inspector a Malaysian or Indonesian ?
    ? an Indonesian in the Police Force ?
    half a generation, already a Malaysian ?
    confused and curious ?

  24. ghenjis khan says:

    I am sad to say this, for a very high profile case and we have a bunch of lousy “makan gaji” DPPs ….

    when you come to think of it, as we normally, we check against our own classmates, how they fare at school, at University, their character, their beliefs, their philosophy of life, [if any] how well read are they etc …….

    sometimes more importantly, their character, ethics, moral conduct, ….. and how they reason,

    it is my considered opinion, thus far and it should not go any further, they are a bunch of mediocre DPPs …….

    let them prove they are not by the KPIs of their cases and be judges by their own peers all lawyers and bench.

  25. monsterball says:

    jeancumlately….Invite you to come for a massage….you talk grandmother story. The day you see me cover my face handcuffed….you know who is dead….don’t you?

  26. voss says:

    Who killed who must pay his life..The two policemen had no relationship with the deceased so “what was the reason for them to kill??” There must be a big boss behind them to order. The whole nation knows! Whether the deceased asked for 500,000USD or not….there was no right for someone to kill her. Negotiation or making police report can avoid many bad incident. I wonder why educated people becoming so shit these days!

  27. kittykat46 says:

    I noticed Susan had to delete some comments here which had gone overboard, concerning people who are not accused in this trial.
    Careful folks, we don’t want to get Susan into trouble here.

  28. bamboo river says:

    Monty, that Hotel Malaya used to have a discotheque in the basement.
    Every Saturday have “High Tea Dance” but just another usual drink and dance event. Always pack like sardines. Many years ago lah.
    Wah. ….So where else in Petaling Street you are familiar with ?

  29. bamboo river says:

    Jean, it is normal lah. Sometimes they apply this C & C method.
    Not Cycle & Carriage….but Convince & Confused.
    If they can’t convince , they might as well confuse US so that they could slither out of the problem or buy time.

  30. kittykat46 says:

    If the C&C method still fails there is always the C-4 method as a last resort….heheheh

  31. whispering9 says:

    I think I am a fairly educated man. Crimes don’t pay…the devil won’t let you off so easy and god probably won’t help. Partners in crime share the same fate as the saying goes ‘Those who live by the sword die by the sword’. Nonetheless, whether you kill an innocent or not, you still have to pay for the crime in court or in the after life. There is an education here…you know. Unless, of course, this is a love story that went wrong; but I remember in Romeo and Juliet, they did die together, yes? Methink, both victim and PI are hiding behind the truths. None telling the truths or the lies.

  32. monsterball says:

    Most of those stall owners were not more than 20 years old at the famous tourists centre…now most are above 55 and some knows me for donkey years. Just few months back…got cheated by a seller of DVD…brought tongkat and banged at the stall…two more came..one nice another trying to find trouble…but neighbour stall selling fruits just tell softly..refund and shut up…they did! I guess that guy is the boss….hahahahaha
    Next time I go buy DVD..they say to me..pay what price you want to pay…we accept. I felt so embarrassed…never buy there anymore dvd.
    You see….we grew op together as friends….never enemies to anyone.
    So kittykat…Swiss Hotel is also nice for me.

  33. bamboo river says:

    Wah, Monty which ‘tongkat’ you are talking about? Tongkat Ali ah?
    Why you don’t buy Original DVD?

    Anyway, the BIG thieves, murderers, cheaters and swindlers gets away and left the small fries to eat the shit.
    Now how about Malaysia Boleh?

  34. […] Altantuya: who do we believe? Who do we believe? The victims or the PI who was “paid” by the accused? […]

  35. sal says:

    Why was the PI testifying in Tamil when he could speak English? Was he afraid that he could be caught lying through his teeth as most Malaysians understood the language. If he was innocent, why worry about what he said in court.

    Position in society and money are sure effective in getting things done. They forgot that there was a mightier judge up above. HE will take care and make sure justice triumphs over evil.

  36. monsterball says:

    bamboo river should be a monk!!
    Serious post means serious things…so tongkat is tongkat…where got tongkat ali come in.

  37. My2Cents says:

    Over and over again, we see Big Names get away under our so called “flawless” political system……I hope this will end but unfortunately this is not going to end anytime soon……If they can put Anwar behind bar for a brainless reason(prefering S.hole over Pussy)…..it’s no surprise that a few scapegoats are already chosen for Altantuya’s case. Since government think that we are naive and believe in everything that they might come out with(so far msian give them this impression), why dont they come out with more dramatic news like:
    1. Najib and Bush are lovers
    2. Abdullah likes sagging tits
    3. Najib fantasizes over Abdullah frequently…

    I’m sure the above can be a hits…….Put a pole, let see what msian like to hear about…..if we can buy eveything so far, there’s no reason we believe the above……..

  38. notsosmart says:

    Do you know what’s the problems with Malaysian? Put some money in their pocket and they will listen to you. As long as they have money to go to the mall, they will not complain. Is money everything? Where is our moral and intergrity? High time to bring back our RUKUN NEGARA.

  39. zek says:

    This trial is becoming exiciting everyday. It does not give relieve to the victim nor the defendants but sure is helping the media. I suppose they are making tons of money.

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